NY Times Poll: Trump Leads Biden in Five of Six Battleground States

[impartialobserver]

I can see Trump winning all of those states except Nevada. It will be fairly close but Clark County (Las Vegas) is heavily Liberal and it accounts for 75% of the state's population and 79% of its voters. The mostly rural 14 counties (17 minus Clark, Washoe (Reno), and Carson City) are insignificant when it comes to this. 

 

[herbie]

1 hour ago, Jack9000 said:

I don't even support trump(think he is a fool tbh) I just want him to win cause its not my country and it makes great media coverage at this point haha

Ha hah!

if only the rest of the world wasn't sick of the fool making a mockery of the USA by 2017. And this dope's actually celebrating... like Trump made them eat their own shit in front of the whole planet for so long he thinks it was chocolate mousse  and wants more.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Deluge said:

DO you despise all politicians equally?

Some politicians are better than others. More competent than others, so no. I don't dislike them all equally. 

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Tons? List five rational liberals and we can talk about them. 

Politicians or celebrities? 

[Nationalist]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Better question is what do you think his competition does better than him? I can see what Joe Biden does better than Trump, and what Trump does better than Joe Biden.

I don't want to waste your time, if your mind is already set and not open to see both sides of a coin.

I could pick apart any politicians on flaws and qualities. If you can't, this means your bias makes you blind to their failures.

If you're not open to debate, there is truly no point. If you think that Trump didn't make any catastrophic blunders during his tenure costing him his second bid, there is nothing to discuss as you're quite entrenched in your views.

The 2020 election wasn't stolen. Trump's performance lost him the result. If we can't even talk on that with honesty, there is no use in me elaborating further with you.

So lets identify those "flaws and qualities".

I think Trumps biggest flaw is he's a blow-hard. He also tends to attack his opponents relentlessly. As for "catastrophic blunders", I'd have to say his resistance to Biden being declared POTUS has been a huge blunder that he now has to follow through with.

Lets be fair though and discuss Biden's "flaws and qualities".

For one thing...he's not all there.

His policies have grossly exacerbated a bad situation and made it worse rather than better. Economically, militarily and nationally.

He's been caught with his hands in the cookiejar and is desperately trying to deny the obvious.

His son does cocaine in the Whitehouse bathroom and is a criminal.

And I can't shake this feeling that its actually Barry...who's in charge at the Whitehouse.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

So lets identify those "flaws and qualities".

I think Trumps biggest flaw is he's a blow-hard. He also tends to attack his opponents relentlessly. As for "catastrophic blunders", I'd have to say his resistance to Biden being declared POTUS has been a huge blunder that he now has to follow through with.

Lets be fair though and discuss Biden's "flaws and qualities".

For one thing...he's not all there.

His policies have grossly exacerbated a bad situation and made it worse rather than better. Economically, militarily and nationally.

He's been caught with his hands in the cookiejar and is desperately trying to deny the obvious.

His son does cocaine in the Whitehouse bathroom and is a criminal.

And I can't shake this feeling that its actually Barry...who's in charge at the Whitehouse.

Ones incompetent due to age, and one is due to personality disorder. I stroke Trump's ego, and can get anything from a guy like that.

Dictators around the world know this, and know he's their best shot at concessions.

Or at least from my vantage point.

Both are horrible choices in my opinion, but Trump is the lesser evil.

Trump means well, I will give him that, but he's like my relative who has no filter.

Type who'll see a 500lb woman struggle to pick up something that she dropped, and point and laugh, as the woman now feels shame as this person was pointing and loudly doing this right at them. Then add insult to injury by loudly pondering how someone like this can physically wash the crack of her ass, while the woman now looks devastated. I wish I was joking.

Trump is just like that, but is in an incredibly delicate political position where the wrong move and too much arrogance can get crushed real quick with missles and real world consequences.

Hes a bull in a China shop, that was put on skates.

[Nationalist]

31 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Ones incompetent due to age, and one is due to personality disorder. I stroke Trump's ego, and can get anything from a guy like that.

Dictators around the world know this, and know he's their best shot at concessions.

Or at least from my vantage point.

Both are horrible choices in my opinion, but Trump is the lesser evil.

Trump means well, I will give him that, but he's like my relative who has no filter.

Type who'll see a 500lb woman struggle to pick up something that she dropped, and point and laugh, as the woman now feels shame as this person was pointing and loudly doing this right at them. Then add insult to injury by loudly pondering how someone like this can physically wash the crack of her ass, while the woman now looks devastated. I wish I was joking.

Trump is just like that, but is in an incredibly delicate political position where the wrong move and too much arrogance can get crushed real quick with missles and real world consequences.

Hes a bull in a China shop, that was put on skates.

Huh...I find it interesting that the major gripe about Trump is his personality.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Huh...I find it interesting that the major gripe about Trump is his personality.

He's as narssisstic as they come. I married a narssissist. I totally understand those who hate his personality. 

They are impossible to work with.

They destroy relationships, are literally incapable of self awareness or adaptation, all traits that make for a horrific leader.

Just like Clinton, will alienate half of their constituents, by blasting and insulting them.

I still remember him talking about injecting UV rays or disinfectants to kill Covid-19, then fight with all his medical experts.

He's like a tantruming toddler. He's never been told no, and as a result made himself tons of mortal enemies on the left who have the weapons to take him down.

This isn't just personality.

This is a high conflict personality disorder:

Read "Its All your Fault" by Bill Eddy. He is textbook.

Last thing you want handling diplomacy.

 

[Nationalist]

16 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

He's as narssisstic as they come. I married a narssissist. I totally understand those who hate his personality. 

They are impossible to work with.

They destroy relationships, are literally incapable of self awareness or adaptation, all traits that make for a horrific leader.

Just like Clinton, will alienate half of their constituents, by blasting and insulting them.

I still remember him talking about injecting UV rays or disinfectants to kill Covid-19, then fight with all his medical experts.

He's like a tantruming toddler. He's never been told no, and as a result made himself tons of mortal enemies on the left who have the weapons to take him down.

This isn't just personality.

This is a high conflict personality disorder:

Read "Its All your Fault" by Bill Eddy. He is textbook.

Last thing you want handling diplomacy.

 

I figure most diplomats loath Trump. Yet I've known a number of dips and consider them every bit as narcissistic. They play class games. Look down on the peasants. Unpleasant folks to say the least.

Edited November 6, 2023 by Nationalist

[impartialobserver]

My primary issue with Trump is that he believes in conspiracy theories... especially when he is the supposed victim of said conspiracy. Anybody that can take Alex Jones seriously is not worthy of my respect nor should be they be in office. 

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

All of a sudden, Republicans believe in polls. 

I don't believe in polls. I'm still struggling to believe in elections at this point. 

Polls have gotten the last two elections in Canada backwards - they had the libs as Canada's favourite party and they came 2nd in the popular vote both times. 

That doesn't mean it's not worth noting that pollsters can't even pretend that Biden's even at this point. They can only stretch their credibility so far.

Just think how bad Joe has to be when the entire MSM has been calling Trump an insurrectionist, general criminal, rapist, and election cheater for 8 years but even the pollsters have to acknowledge that he's still more popular than the guy they're framing as a "perfect president". If Trump was just up by 2 points the polls would definitely have Biden ahead. 

[WestCanMan]

Is it possible that the just a way of saying "This is what's going to happen when we host this fake election"?

They show you this, they show you that, an they carefully cultivate the collective opinions of voters. 

IMO this poll says: "Biden is losing, but just by a little bit. If we get a stronger candidate in there then we will definitely win." 

Would a Gavin Newson type be better than Biden by enough to flip a 5% gap? 

A french fry would be 5% better than Biden. 

[Rebound]

Biden doesn’t need to beat Trump, because Donald Trump will be sitting in jail. 
 

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Biden doesn’t need to beat Trump, because Donald Trump will be sitting in jail. 
 

In a perfect democracy, the FBI's crimes would've paid off the first time. They wouldn't need a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th show-trial. 

[August1991]

I quickly read through this thread. Wow.

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I reckon Biden will do as LBJ.

Johnson waited to New Hampshire - then resigned.

Biden will wait to South Carolina. 

[Guest]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Yet I've known a number of dips and consider them every bit as narcissistic. 

You have to be slightly off your rocker, to feel you're the best thing for an entire country.

If you genuinely care vs wanting to advance your interests, this is a job that will put you into an early grave.

Yes, tons of diplomats are not only narssissistic, but they are also even more childish.

Look at India's Modi's tantrum towards Trudeau, only shooting his own country in the foot. Many people who have never been told no.

Issue is, like China, the US is held on a pedestal. One cannot forget this.

Tit for tat childish battles, is just not a good look on a leading global super power.

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Look down on the peasants.

100%. They are held to a lesser standard.

I see it like being a company executive. If an employee calls you a name, you just can't go back and forth insulting them.

You have to work within the legal system and labor laws, to get rid of them. It otherwise bites you in the a**.

Trump was humbled by a warning shot from Iran. It was a precise and devastating strike, and deliberately off target. 

Some of these narssissitic leaders will not hesitate to send a firm message.

The US has a massive military, so they have the responsibility to be firm, but also to attempt to keep the peace.

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

You have to be slightly off your rocker, to feel you're the best thing for an entire country.

If you genuinely care vs wanting to advance your interests, this is a job that will put you into an early grave.

Yes, tons of diplomats are not only narssissistic, but they are also even more childish.

Look at India's Modi's tantrum towards Trudeau, only shooting his own country in the foot. Many people who have never been told no.

Issue is, like China, the US is held on a pedestal. One cannot forget this.

Tit for tat childish battles, is just not a good look on a leading global super power.

100%. They are held to a lesser standard.

I see it like being a company executive. If an employee calls you a name, you just can't go back and forth insulting them.

You have to work within the legal system and labor laws, to get rid of them. It otherwise bites you in the a**.

Trump was humbled by a warning shot from Iran. It was a precise and devastating strike, and deliberately off target. 

Some of these narssissitic leaders will not hesitate to send a firm message.

The US has a massive military, so they have the responsibility to be firm, but also to attempt to keep the peace.

Indeed most politicians are narcissistic. So...is Trump more narcissistic? Or is he just a less polished narcissist?

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Or is he just a less polished narcissist?

He's less polished. 

What I love about him, is he says what everyone is thinking.

He allegedly called countries like Haiti s*** holes.

My sister was furious. How dare he. So I asked her:

"Would you travel to Haiti right now?"

No.

"Maybe....because it's a s*** hole?"

She laughed, but people are just not used to this from a politician.

"This country is f***ed!" 

I can't lie. I love it about him, but am also aware this is what makes him a horrible leader.

 

[Nationalist]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

He's less polished. 

What I love about him, is he says what everyone is thinking.

He allegedly called countries like Haiti s*** holes.

My sister was furious. How dare he. So I asked her:

"Would you travel to Haiti right now?"

No.

"Maybe....because it's a s*** hole?"

She laughed, but people are just not used to this from a politician.

"This country is f***ed!" 

I can't lie. I love it about him, but am also aware this is what makes him a horrible leader.

 

Horrible leader? I think the diplomatic world can take their pompous asses and go to Hell. 

Trump says things to them all, that they've needed to hear for decades.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

My sister was furious. How dare he. So I asked her:

"Would you travel to Haiti right now?"

No.

"Maybe....because it's a s*** hole?"

She laughed, but people are just not used to this from a politician.

"This country is f***ed!" 

I can't lie. I love it about him, but am also aware this is what makes him a horrible leader.

I love that your sister has the ability to acknowledge reason when it's right there in her face, but 99% of leftists will choose virtue-signalling over honesty. 99% of Democrats will make "shithole country!" a reason for jihad against Trump, ad they'll ignore Biden's 7/11 comment, his racist laws, etc. 

I agree that Trump's communication style can be crass and off-putting, but IMO those are minor flaws compared to the fact that he's pro-America and effective. 

[Deluge]

21 hours ago, Rebound said:

All of a sudden, Republicans believe in polls. 

Because it finally looks like they're not trying to bullshit us. Good for the polls.

[Deluge]

13 hours ago, Rebound said:

Biden doesn’t need to beat Trump, because Donald Trump will be sitting in jail. 
 

And he'll have the entire floor to run his presidential campaign; then once he gets back into the Oval Office, he can unload on all the left-wing cultists and we can do the patriotic thing by reporting their asses to the officials.  

[Deluge]

17 hours ago, impartialobserver said:

My primary issue with Trump is that he believes in conspiracy theories... especially when he is the supposed victim of said conspiracy. Anybody that can take Alex Jones seriously is not worthy of my respect nor should be they be in office. 

Same can be said for every sack of sh*t talking head on MSNBC, CNN, NPR, and so on...  

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

He's less polished. 

 

" Oh you're  villian, but you're not a SUPER villian!"

"what's the difference?"

"PRESENTATION!!!!"

[Deluge]

19 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Politicians or celebrities? 

Politicians. We can get to celebrities another time.