Nationalist Posted November 9, 2023 Report Posted November 9, 2023 This is all so stupid. The Arab people can't even get along among themselves. What makes anyone think they can get coordinated for a war? At the first sign of real war, they'll all flee with different excuses. Hell the Egyptians already want nothing to do with this war or the Palestinians. Take Gaza with whatever force necessary...leave a HUGE military contingent...reduce paletinian resistance to only the foolish...and be done with it. Then...and only then...discuss some sort of "provincial" settlement for the Palestinians in the West Bank. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
taxme Posted November 9, 2023 Report Posted November 9, 2023 22 hours ago, ironstone said: I most certainly do not want to search out images like that. I would never be able to get them out of my head as I happen to have a conscience. You almost sound like you are chomping at the bit to see horrific images like that. Would you get some kind of a thrill from seeing them? You sound very dubious about October 7 as well. I haven't been to Africa but I know its real. I don't know the inner workings of groups like Hamas but I know they are absolutely savage with their beliefs and actions. 22 hours ago, ironstone said: I most certainly do not want to search out images like that. I would never be able to get them out of my head as I happen to have a conscience. You almost sound like you are chomping at the bit to see horrific images like that. Would you get some kind of a thrill from seeing them? You sound very dubious about October 7 as well. I haven't been to Africa but I know its real. I don't know the inner workings of groups like Hamas but I know they are absolutely savage with their beliefs and actions. If you did try, you will probably never find any. I guess that the many pictures and videos on TV of dead people that you have no doubt seen many times in the past, so, are they still haunting you in your head to this day? Just asking. So, your head must be full of videos and pictures haunting you every day, eh? ? Nope, i am not chomping away at anything. I just want to see some pictures to see for myself. There has never been any problem for the many TV networks out there that have shown many pictures or videos of dead people. It's never thrilling for me to see dead bodies on TV. Oct. 7th was a sad and bad day for both sides. I don't know myself about the inner workings of Hamas. I am not here to defend any of Hamas actions. Islam is a sick and pathetic and archaic religion that needs to be brought into the 21st century. i despise them just as much as you do. I just question somethings about what is going on over there. Nothing wrong with that, is there? Quote
taxme Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 21 hours ago, CdnFox said: Dude - you better be posting this crap from an elevator because it's wrong on so many levels. You're supporting the terrorists with this shit. You're suggesting on one hand it didn't happen and making it sound like the terrorists didn't commit atrocities and on the other hand you're demanding they post pictures of dead and mutilated jews all over the internet (as hamas did) which the hamas types just love. Enough independent sources have seen it and described it vividly. If you're still denying it then you're either supporting hamas directly or you are a world class scumbag loser. Either way - knock it off. I am not supporting anyone in this feud between Israel and Hamas. I am not denying anything. I am only asking questions which you seem to feel is a wrong thing to be doing. Support Israel or get lost. All that I have been saying here for weeks now is where are some pictures or videos or some kind of proof of what atrocities Hamas has committed. What did you not understand about what i have been saying all along? Are you really that dumb or is it that you have a reading problem? Telling me that independent sources have seen it and described it vividly, does not cut it with me. Some people just like to exagerate a bit or a lot. I am not an Hamas supporter. I never did say that i was an Hamas supporter. I am upset with Israel because of the constant bombing of innocent Palestinian women and children, which appears to me that you have no problem with it yourself, and you are enjoying watching the massacre of innocent Palestinians, right? You and others here that support Israel are supporting the massacres of innocent women and children, and think that this is great. Those gentiles want to live in peace also. I will deny whatever i dam well please. If you do not like my opinions then the best thing for you to do is stop replying to my posts and knock it off yourself. Goodbye. ? Quote
taxme Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Perspektiv said: I can't believe you are doubting these murders, when a quick Google search, would provide you with hundreds of videos. If you consent, I will happily send you a dozen raw videos that are rather irrefutable via PM. You name it. The music festival, while covering in bunkers. Families crying fearful for their lives. A stripped woman, with badly broken limbs clearly slaughtered, being paraded in Gaza as all around scream "God is great" in glee. She was later found beheaded. You tell me how much you can stomach, and I will send your way. You can't act like this didn't happen, then decry the acts of Israel as being the only ones that are real. The carnage on both sides is real, which is why it must stop because on either side, its mostly innocent civilians being punished for the things that they have nothing to do with. It boggles my mind that people are calling into question the killings of hundreds of innocent Israel citizens, when the evidence is heavy handed. Look at both sides. Neither are innocent. But you can't kill 1400 innocents in any country, and not expect retaliatory violence. Why send by PM. What or why are you afraid of posting them here for all to see? Those pictures and videos would surely go a long way to convincing me that what i have heard is true about Hamas. Israel for over the many decades that Israel has existed have killed way more Palestinians in the past several decades and pretty much to today. All you seem to want to do here is to try and make Israel look good, and the Palestinian people look bad. I agree. This war needs to end now. There have been enough deaths already. Only Israel can end this bloody mess. Quote
taxme Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 8 hours ago, ironstone said: Maybe you can ask these people for more information about horrific images. CNN, AP, Reuters, NY Times published images from 'journalists' embedded with Hamas during Oct 7 massacre | The Post Millennial | thepostmillennial.com Perhaps world opinion would shift if more video and images of Hamas doing their thing were made public. I personally do not want to see stuff like that, but that's just me. From Harrison Faulkner at True North: I was invited by the Israeli consulate in Toronto to join a small group of journalists for an exclusive screening of footage from the October 7 terrorist attack carried out by Hamas. The 45-minute film, which compiled footage from the body cameras of Hamas terrorists, footage from first responders, and security footage from the homes of slain Israeli victims was the worst thing I have ever seen. Journalists were not permitted to bring any recording devices or phones into the screening out of respect for the families of the victims but we were routinely encouraged to tell the public what we saw in as much detail as we could after the fact. In our polarized world, this will only further drive mistrust and skepticism. It is simply not enough in this era for the public to take the word of hand-picked journalists behind closed doors telling people what they saw because they aren’t permitted to see it for themselves. All Israel would have to do to end any debate surrounding ownership of the moral high ground in this conflict is release the footage for the world to see. The film begins with a group of Hamas terrorists on a road in southern Israel executing everyone who drives past them. Each execution is filmed and celebrated as the terrorists yell “Allahu Akbar!” The film then shows a group of terrorists breaking into a kibbutz and searching each home for civilians to be killed or captured. What follows is the uncensored massacre of an entire kibbutz. A father of two can then be seen on his own home security camera grabbing his two young sons and frantically searching for a way to get to their bunker in the backyard. A Hamas terrorist spots the defenceless father entering the shelter with his sons, calmly walks up to the entrance, takes a pin out of a grenade, and throws it into the shelter. The father absorbs the entire blast, sacrificing himself to save his two kids. The entire moment is captured on film. The footage continues as Hamas terrorists enter the home and take food from the fridge of the man they just violently killed while the two sons watch on. Viewers will then see an inconsolable wife who returns to the Kibbutz with IDF soldiers to see the disfigured corpse of her husband. That was just the first five minutes. Forty more minutes to go. The film begins with a group of Hamas terrorists on a road in southern Israel executing everyone who drives past them. Each execution is filmed and celebrated as the terrorists yell “Allahu Akbar!” The film then shows a group of terrorists breaking into a kibbutz and searching each home for civilians to be killed or captured. What follows is the uncensored massacre of an entire kibbutz. A father of two can then be seen on his own home security camera grabbing his two young sons and frantically searching for a way to get to their bunker in the backyard. A Hamas terrorist spots the defenceless father entering the shelter with his sons, calmly walks up to the entrance, takes a pin out of a grenade, and throws it into the shelter. The father absorbs the entire blast, sacrificing himself to save his two kids. The entire moment is captured on film. The footage continues as Hamas terrorists enter the home and take food from the fridge of the man they just violently killed while the two sons watch on. Viewers will then see an inconsolable wife who returns to the Kibbutz with IDF soldiers to see the disfigured corpse of her husband. That was just the first five minutes. Forty more minutes to go. The film begins with a group of Hamas terrorists on a road in southern Israel executing everyone who drives past them. Each execution is filmed and celebrated as the terrorists yell “Allahu Akbar!” The film then shows a group of terrorists breaking into a kibbutz and searching each home for civilians to be killed or captured. What follows is the uncensored massacre of an entire kibbutz. A father of two can then be seen on his own home security camera grabbing his two young sons and frantically searching for a way to get to their bunker in the backyard. A Hamas terrorist spots the defenceless father entering the shelter with his sons, calmly walks up to the entrance, takes a pin out of a grenade, and throws it into the shelter. The father absorbs the entire blast, sacrificing himself to save his two kids. The entire moment is captured on film. The footage continues as Hamas terrorists enter the home and take food from the fridge of the man they just violently killed while the two sons watch on. Viewers will then see an inconsolable wife who returns to the Kibbutz with IDF soldiers to see the disfigured corpse of her husband. That was just the first five minutes. Forty more minutes to go. FAULKNER: To win against Hamas, Israel must show the world what happened on October 7 | True North (tnc.news) Pictures and videos will tell the tale. But both sides are just as guilty as the other side. How many innocent Palestinian people, women and children, have had their love ones killed by Israeli bombs? Last count that i heard was 14,000. Some people are pretty much being blown to pieces by those bombs. But yet, people like you seem to be quite happy to watch it happen. Christ, I heard that the Israeli military were bombing Hamas hideouts in Israel which were killing many innocent Israelis in the process. We do not see or hear stories like that on MSM TV. That would not look good for Israel. Quote
CdnFox Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, taxme said: I am not supporting anyone in this feud between Israel and Hamas Yeah, you are. And if you're fine with being the kind of guy who supports the slaughter of innocent people then that's something you can do i suppose. No law against it. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
PIK Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 46 minutes ago, taxme said: Why send by PM. What or why are you afraid of posting them here for all to see? Those pictures and videos would surely go a long way to convincing me that what i have heard is true about Hamas. Israel for over the many decades that Israel has existed have killed way more Palestinians in the past several decades and pretty much to today. All you seem to want to do here is to try and make Israel look good, and the Palestinian people look bad. I agree. This war needs to end now. There have been enough deaths already. Only Israel can end this bloody mess. Israel has bent over so many times for peace, only to be told no. Hamas by their own words, only mission is not to govern, but to kill every jew. What more is it going to take. Edited November 10, 2023 by PIK Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
CdnFox Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 Just now, PIK said: Israel has bent over so many times for peace, only to be told no. Hamas by their own words, only mission is nit govern, but to kill every jew. What more is it going to take. The death of all jews. That' what he and the other supporters want. They'll then say 'oh guess we were 'wrong' our bad oh well from the river to the sea, Palestine is free. Yay!" They don't believe the jews should be allowed to remain there alive. It's pretty obvious. Quote There are two types of people in this world: Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data
Guest Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 12 hours ago, taxme said: What or why are you afraid of posting them here for all to see? Terms of service on a website? Most won't allow the posted pictures of a decapitated corpse. Plus, you're the only one not believing the atrocities committed by Hamas. Why would I subject all posters to them? Why would I dehumanize the dead by publicly posting this? Its bad enough that their darkest moment is there for the globe to see. I respect that not all people need to see this. People like you, do. If your stance is the same after seeing the carnage, then all the power to you. You're at least basing your opinion based on all avaliable facts, vs one sided propaganda. Its not fear, its respect. Same reason I don't make out with my wife in front of her parents when we visit them. Its disrespectful in her culture. 12 hours ago, taxme said: Those pictures and videos would surely go a long way to convincing me Its sad that you need convincing. That you don't question what you're told. That you don't like looking into what you're taught to believe. Like you legit believe Israel is bombing Gaza right now just to kill babies for no reason. Just like if I believed that these people in Gaza are p***ed off at Israel for them minding their own business for all these years. That there is absolutely no discriminatory treatment of any Palestinians within their territory. No illegal settlements violating the rule of law. 12 hours ago, taxme said: Israel for over the many decades that Israel has existed have killed way more Palestinians It doesn't justify the maiming of women, children and killing of innocent civilians. It never does. Same reason Israel is facing immense international pressure to cease fire. Unless you're stating innocent civilians are fair play. 12 hours ago, taxme said: All you seem to want to do here is to try and make Israel look good, and the Palestinian people look bad. Neither side looks good. Israel has killed over 10 thousand people in this conflict (ignoring tolls in others). Almost half are kids. The microscope is on them, and it is uncovering things Israel would likely prefer to be hidden. Hamas has brutally slaughtered over 1, 400 people. Many of them kids, women and the elderly. Vast majority, are innocent civilians. The killings are brutal. People burned alive in bunkers, in cars trying to to escape. Hamas soldiers flagging cars driving off, only to open fire, and what sticks with you, is how gleefully they are doing this. The news can't show most of it, due to the sheer brutality. Very hard to show a maimed corpse in the mainstream. 12 hours ago, taxme said: Only Israel can end this bloody mess. Thats a lie and you know it. It takes two parties to end this conflict. It takes a ceasefire by two parties and both sticking to it. Quote
ironstone Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 13 hours ago, taxme said: Pictures and videos will tell the tale. But both sides are just as guilty as the other side. How many innocent Palestinian people, women and children, have had their love ones killed by Israeli bombs? Last count that i heard was 14,000. Some people are pretty much being blown to pieces by those bombs. But yet, people like you seem to be quite happy to watch it happen. Christ, I heard that the Israeli military were bombing Hamas hideouts in Israel which were killing many innocent Israelis in the process. We do not see or hear stories like that on MSM TV. That would not look good for Israel. Wars are terrible events and there is always collateral damage with many lives lost. The big difference in this conflict is the one which you do not want to address. It's been mentioned on here countless times, the policy of human shields by Hamas. Only someone willfully blind would not see that the IDF makes a huge effort to avoid civilian casualties. But those casualties happen nevertheless. It's what we should expect when cowardly Hamas hides in hospitals and schools and the like. Hamas takes the opposite approach when it comes to their targets. They seek out the most vulnerable people. Hamas supporters are right here in Canada. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
ironstone Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 15 hours ago, taxme said: If you did try, you will probably never find any. I guess that the many pictures and videos on TV of dead people that you have no doubt seen many times in the past, so, are they still haunting you in your head to this day? Just asking. So, your head must be full of videos and pictures haunting you every day, eh? ? You genuinely seem to find all of this rather amusing. Images of dead people, videos with blood and guts, men, women and children. You must be pretty cold if you are able to laugh about this kind of stuff. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) On 11/5/2023 at 8:06 AM, ExFlyer said: poor Israelites, but, its OK to kill 10 times as many Palestinian men, women and children You think war should be 'fair'? Like, if a small nation attacks a larger one the larger one should go easy on responding? If a little guy attacks a big guy should the big guy fight with one arm tied behind his back? If a group of guys tortures and murders your entire family do you want the police to go easy on them since, you know, there are a lot more police than there are gang members? On 11/5/2023 at 10:11 AM, ExFlyer said: Point is "its OK to kill 10 times as many Palestinian men, women and children"? Yes. It f*cking is. Okay? Is that a clear enough answer for you? Edited November 10, 2023 by I am Groot 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 10:18 AM, ironstone said: I would wager that the casualty numbers in Gaza are mostly the result of collateral damage because of the longstanding Hamas policy of using their own women and children as human shields. This despite the best efforts of the IDF to avoid civilian casualties. I would also wager most of them are invented by Hamas. According to Hamas everyone who died is a civilian and half of them are children. Bullshit. Where are the men, hiding behind their women and kids? I don't believe a word that comes out of their lying faces. 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 1:29 PM, eyeball said: The moral equivalence people are making is still the same one they've made for decades - between what Israel has done to Palestine and other places where the colonization, occupation and subjugation of the people who live there occur. You're falling into the trap that says history started on Oct 7. Yeaaaah, bullshit. The lifestyle of people in the West Bank is largely akin to those in Jordan in most terms, including wealth. It used to be better. And Gaza used to be much better. You know what screwed them over? The Intifadas. That was when their leaders decided it would be a great idea to send people into Israel (much easier to go there then) to run people over in cars, to stab and shoot people on the streets, to put bombs in buses and restaurants and markets. Hundreds of attacks, hundreds of Jews killed. And with every intifada the Israelis tightened security. Then the fences started going up, and then the walls and alarms and guard towers. And guess what? The attacks all but stopped! Let's not forget that there would be no Palestine with or without Israel. The West Bank was grabbed by Jordan soon after the UN announcement of two separate states, then formally annexed. Egypt took Gaza. No Palestinian state. Then Egypt and Jordan lost them in the 1967 war with Israel. And since neither would sign a peace treaty Israel wouldn't give them back. Now they wouldn't take them back. Neither one wants anything to do with the Palestinians. They'll support them publicly but the last thing they want to do is have them in their country. You couldn't pay Jordan enough to take the West Bank back. On 11/5/2023 at 1:41 PM, ExFlyer said: So can the jews, and they have been asked to stop by most countries in the world. If the Palestinians stop fighting there will be peace. If the Israelis stop fighting they will all be killed. See the difference? 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 1:46 PM, ExFlyer said: So, press pause, as the rest of the world has asked them to do. They flat out said no. Would this be the 'rest of the world' who voted down a Canadian resolution to condemn the Hamas attack on October 7? Maybe f*ck the rest of the world, then. 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) On 11/5/2023 at 3:18 PM, eyeball said: No I was reading from Briarpatch. Sure its left wing but its facts are accurate. In any case, since you think Canada's handing of indigenous people was the best in the world why are you so affronted at the knowledge we provided an example for other countries to follow? By rights you should be proud of that but you sound ashamed. Well, genius, I want you to try to imagine, assuming you have one, how Canada would react if the natives on those reserves started murdering random Canadians. Doing it a lot. Like, driving across from the reserves, spotting a random white person, and killing them. How do you think our attitude toward the reserves and those on them might change? Think we might try to restrict their movement? Restrict what goes into the reserves that they can use to make weapons with? I mean, it's an exact comparison in that we have hundreds of reserves and there's only two Palestinian territories. But I'm sure you get the idea. On 11/5/2023 at 3:28 PM, herbie said: So parade around Toronto yelling and waving placards. It's at least 5% more effective than clicking a mouse at getting completely foreign countries and terrorist organizations to change their policies. And less reprehensible than blaming your own country for what other ones do. Who says this is their own country/ Edited November 10, 2023 by I am Groot 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 4:04 PM, suds said: Is there anyone here who believes that Hamas (and their leaders) are acting in the best interests of the Palestinians in Gaza? No. If you're a religious fanatic God is all that matters. So what if a few thousand people die? They were killed in a war with the infidel Jews and therefore have gone to heaven. They are to be envied! They are martyrs for Allah! And look at the great publicity their deaths have bought us around the world! Stupid, soft-headed infidel Westerners are crying over them and cursing Israel! Put more children on the front lines! We need more children to die so we can send the video to the West and they'll hate Israel and Jews even more! 1 1 Quote
Guest Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 26 minutes ago, I am Groot said: You think war should be 'fair'? Reminds me of a bully I had who kept shoving me around, and following me. I refused to fight, even verbalized it several times. So my grabbing them and pile driving them face first into a locker was decried on some "what gives?!" "unfair fight!". "You didn't have to be so brutal!" "You monster, look at all the blood!" Etc. You start a conflict with an unwilling participant and keep escalating, you deserve to be picked apart with obtuse levels of violence. The only victims here, are the civilians on both sides. 30 minutes ago, I am Groot said: If a group of guys tortures and murders your entire family The only acceptable thing if that happens, is what would Liam Neeson do? Okay, well that tenfold is what that perpetrator should endure. Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 On 11/6/2023 at 7:55 PM, cougar said: Looks like the Brits messed up this part of the World too by creating a country out of thin air and dispossessing the local Muslim population of their land. Jesus, read a little history. At least have a glance at Wikipedia. That area was owned/controlled by the Ottoman Empire. That Empire no longer existed after WW1. The British and French took control of the area briefly, for like 20-30 years. The particular area in question was then given to the UN. The UN created the two countries of Israel and Palestine. No one was to be dispossessed from their land. Then all the surrounding Arab states attacked. During the fighting, a lot of Arabs fled (and some were encouraged to flee). Some did not. They now make up about 20% of Israel's population. Some were killed by Hamas during their attack. The Arabs lost. Gaza was taken over by Egypt, though, and Jordan took the West Bank, then annexed it. And that was the situation until the 1967 war when Israel beat another set of Arab armies and took over various pieces of land, including the West Bank and Gaza. The only path to peace I see is for Egypt to take back Gaza and Jordan to take back the West Bank, but they don't want either. They want nothing to do with the Palestinians on them, who they feel would be unlikely to make peaceful citizens. On 11/6/2023 at 7:55 PM, cougar said: With this in mind what you claim to be "invading a country" may just be a rebellion by the Muslim to liberate and retake their lands. Do you usually rebel by chopping the limbs of children, gang-raping and slitting the throats of women, murdering elderly people and the like? Because if so then f*ck your rebellion. 1 1 1 Quote
eyeball Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 13 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Neither one wants anything to do with the Palestinians. Given the support we're seeing this issue generate around the planet for Palestinians it appears half the human race must be feeling guilty about that. Just like people started feeling guilty about the lack of sympathy for Jews following the 2nd WW. It seems to me there's some sort of progress being made here. Maybe we just have to clear up the confusion mistaking sympathy for one as hatred for the other to break the apparent logjam Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 23 hours ago, eyeball said: No I'm afraid I don't understand that when I see pictures of Palestinians and Israelis shaking hands. That's pretty simplistic. I'm sure Hamas leaders would be willing to shake the hands of an Israeli PM to get full independence too. Then they'd immediately start building up the largest army they could and then attack Israel and kill as many Jews as they could. 1 1 Quote
I am Groot Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Given the support we're seeing this issue generate around the planet for Palestinians it appears half the human race must be feeling guilty about that. Just like people started feeling guilty about the lack of sympathy for Jews following the 2nd WW. It seems to me there's some sort of progress being made here. Maybe we just have to clear up the confusion mistaking sympathy for one as hatred for the other to break the apparent logjam Nobody gives a shit about Palestinians. Do you see people out in the streets for the hundreds of thousands of people who have died so far in Yemen, and are still dying? Why not? How about the hundreds of thousands who died in Syria and are still dying? Nobody cares. If the Palestinians were being bombarded by Syrians or Iraqis or Jordanians the world would yawn. It's the Jews that are bringing out the anger. The great majority of those demonstrators are Muslims. And they hate Jews. 1 1 Quote
eyeball Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 18 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Well, genius, I want you to try to imagine, assuming you have one, how Canada would react if the natives on those reserves started murdering random Canadians. Doing it a lot. Like, driving across from the reserves, spotting a random white person, and killing them. How do you think our attitude toward the reserves and those on them might change? Think we might try to restrict their movement? Restrict what goes into the reserves that they can use to make weapons with? I mean, it's an exact comparison in that we have hundreds of reserves and there's only two Palestinian territories. But I'm sure you get the idea. Of course I get the idea. I imagine things would go as sideways as they have in the ME. But since we're into imagining things, imagine if Israel's justice system was like ours and it compelled Israel's government to follow the law as it pertains to illegal and often violent settlements on occupied Palestinian territory. Perhaps you'd prefer our government follow Israel's example of changing our institutions so they function in ways that support the government instead of the law. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, I am Groot said: That's pretty simplistic. I'm sure Hamas leaders would be willing to shake the hands of an Israeli PM to get full independence too. Then they'd immediately start building up the largest army they could and then attack Israel and kill as many Jews as they could. So given your sense that our relations with First Nations are or should be more like those between Israel and Palestine perhaps people like me who live next door to a 'reserve' should be allowed to arm ourselves with the sort of weapons Israeli settlers have? Would that make things simpler? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted November 10, 2023 Report Posted November 10, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, I am Groot said: Nobody gives a shit about Palestinians. I'm pretty sure most Palestinians get that which probably helps explain why people say things don't happen in a vacuum. Edited November 10, 2023 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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