Israeli ministry 'concept paper' proposes transferring Gaza civilians to Egypt's Sinai, with Canada as a possible final destination

OftenWrong · November 2, 2023

Interesting how the Israelis adopted the same ideas as Nazis in their 'Wannsee Conference Protocol". In that one they floated the idea to send all Jews to Madagascar.

CdnFox · November 2, 2023

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Let’s not lose track of the subject here. What is proposed in the title of this thread has nothing to do with any of the scenarios you describe. A political leader depopulating 2 million Gazans is not anything similar to a military leader attacking a legitimate target near civilians l.

I wasn't the one who brought it up big guy

And they're not talking about "depopulating" anyone - i assume you mean killing them

But taking over gaza to eliminate its use as a military base is perfectly acceptable if they feel that's the only way they can secure peace. Just like we took over the various countries we won wars against until we were sure they wouldn't be a threat in the future.

Lets face it - Gaza isn't a 'home' - gaza is a military installation with a civillian population on top to act as a shield.

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Also it is not correct to state that “as long as I believe the civilian deaths I am good to go.” Of course the attacker always believes they’re justified. Every war criminal believes they’re justified. The ICC is going to make their own determination.

You keep saying these things as if they're true with zero examples. And it's meaningless. "every blah blah blah believes blah blah blah - bullshit. It's obvious when someone deliberately targets civillians. It's obvious when they were trying to hit something else and people died.

The gaza attack on israel OBVIOUSLY targeted civillians. The israelis are obviously hitting military targets.

If you believe you are achieving a military objective with an attack and civilians die that's the way it is. Period. I know you want that to be different - it's not different.

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Interesting how the Israelis adopted the same ideas as Nazis in their 'Wannsee Conference Protocol". In that one they floated the idea to send all Jews to Madagascar.

The jews are quite aware that nazi tactics work i'm sure

OftenWrong · November 2, 2023

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

The gaza attack on israel OBVIOUSLY targeted civillians. The israelis are obviously hitting military targets.

It should be a war crime, or crime against humanity to purposely hide yourself among civilians and hospital facilities as well as not allowing people to evacuate.

Israelis have one heck of a well trained military. They're going to go in those tunnels and blow the hell out of those goddam coward raghead terrorists.

eyeball · November 2, 2023

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

IF thats what it takes to secure their safety - sure they do.

That's a good rationale for taking over the entire planet.

CdnFox · November 2, 2023

13 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It should be a war crime, or crime against humanity to purposely hide yourself among civilians and hospital facilities as well as not allowing people to evacuate.

Israelis have one heck of a well trained military. They're going to go in those tunnels and blow the hell out of those goddam coward raghead terrorists.

Yeah. Wouldn't help much though, hamas is already guilty of war crimes, i doubt they'd shirk at breaking a few more

Gaétan · November 2, 2023

44 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It should be a war crime, or crime against humanity to purposely hide yourself among civilians and hospital facilities as well as not allowing people to evacuate.

That's Trudeau, Poilievre, Netanyahu and Biden propaganda reported by media, nothing of that is true, they just bomb where they could kill as much people as possible.

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

Now 50,000 from Syria was not bad enough and Canada wants hundreds of thousands of Arabs coming over here destroying our culture with their backward women hating culture. WTF. . EVEN THEIR OWN ARAB BROTHERS DON'T WANT THEM. THERE IS NO WAY WE WILL ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN.

TRUDEAU OUT

Edited November 3, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

Gaétan · November 2, 2023

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Now 50,000 from Syria was not bad rnough and Canada wants hundreds of thousands of Arabs coming over here destroying our culture with their backward women hating culture. WTF. TRUDEAU OUT.

Racist propaganda

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

Just now, Gaétan said:

Racist propaganda

It is not but you are free to see it however you wish. This is my country and I WILL NOT ALLOW IT TO BECOME AN ISLAMIC REPUBLIC. You like them SO MUCH, go to them and live with them. WHY ARE YOU HERE?

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

On 11/1/2023 at 8:01 AM, Gaétan said:

I am 66 years old. We have to show solidarity with people in poverty like refugees, they are not dishonest people, they want to live in peace, have a job, raise their children. If you don't do justice, you're going to end up in hell after your life and it won't be fun for you. Luke 16, you must love your neighbor as yourself, if you were a refugee you would like to be welcomed by a country that gives you the opportunity to live in peace, raise your children, you must act the same way with others.

Well I see why you don't care. You won't stay around for long to see the consequences of what you are suggesting. A large number of women hater backward people living within Canada. Demanding closure of bars, movie theater, banning freedom, opposing equality, women forced to cover up or attacked. I am fearful for this and next generations.

Edited November 2, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

On 11/1/2023 at 1:50 PM, Gaétan said:

There is no justification for murdering innocent people or anybody innocent or not but i understand why there was a murder.

The same people who elected them? gave them a place to hide? Supported them so that they invade and massacre over a thousand innocent life loving defenseless people. Behead and rape them? Fu*k them all.

Gaétan · November 2, 2023

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Well I see why you don't care. You won't stay around to see the consequences of what you are suggesting. A large number of women hater backward people living within Canada. Demanding closure of bars, movie theater, banning freedom, opposing equality, women forced to cover up or attacked. I am fearful of this and next generations.

These are lies from the stinking garbage radios of the rich who say to vote for Poilievre, the most polluter activist in Canada.

Gaétan · November 2, 2023

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The same people who elected them? gave them a place to hide? Supported them so that they invade and massacre over a thousand innocent life loving defenseless people. Behead and rape them? Fu*k them all.

Your favorite candidate to Israel kills 1000 children a day in Gaza and you talk about the misery of Israel like the media.

Edited November 2, 2023 by Gaétan

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

6 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

These are lies from the stinking garbage radios of the rich who say to vote for Poilievre, the most polluter activist in Canada.

You are so deep in sleep. Even unconcious I would say. These are NOT what they say. These are what I say. And I know it is true 100%. Why?. Because I saw it happening with my own eyes. WITH MY OWN EYES. A society more progressive than Canada turned into a hell, an evil state, overnight when taken over by what used to be a Muslim majority. WHY YOU LIE LIKE THIS?

Edited November 2, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

Gaétan · November 2, 2023

3 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

You are so deep in sleep. Even unconcious I would say. These are NOT what they say. These are what I say. And I know it is true 100%. Why?. Because I saw it happening with my own eyes. WITH MY OWN EYES. A society more progressive than Canada turned into a hell, an evil state, overnight when taken over by what used to be a Muslim majority. WHY YOU LIE LIKE THIS?

You are a racist

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

11 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

Your favorite candidate to Israel kills 1000 children a day in Gaza and you talk about the misery of Israel like the media.

Well when you lie like this there is nothing more to say. Even Hamas liars are claiming 5000 children killed so far but you have an updated figure 5 times more lying than Hamas. Day 25 and 25000 children have been killed!!!!!

Edited November 2, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

CITIZEN_2015 · November 2, 2023

5 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

You are a racist

And what race is that I am saying is superior? The Jewish race or German Aryans?

You leftishs are always like this. When you have nothing to defend your invalid argument then you accuse your opponent of rascism. Think anyway that you want. Not that I care.

Edited November 2, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

blackbird · November 2, 2023

On 11/1/2023 at 1:54 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

Many on the rightwing deny climate change is even a thing,

I believe the climate changes and has always changed. I do not believe man can control the climate in any way. To me that is wishful thinking. We are being conned and taxed for something that we cannot control. Most of the world does not pay carbon taxes like we do and carbon taxes do not change people's use of essential things like natural gas for heating. We still have to heat our homes in this cold country.

eyeball · November 3, 2023

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I do not believe man can control the climate in any way.

I don't either, and such being the case it's ourselves that we need to control.

blackbird · November 3, 2023

As far as the war in the Gaza is concerned, I believe there needs to be some pauses to bring humanitarian aid in. I also believe Israel should do everything possible to avoid harming civilians. They should be making sure civilians will be safe.

I don't know how much the reports coming out are true or accurate because they come from Hamas-controlled sources. This is a problem.

Edited November 3, 2023 by blackbird

Gaétan · November 3, 2023

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I believe the climate changes and has always changed. I do not believe man can control the climate in any way. To me that is wishful thinking. We are being conned and taxed for something that we cannot control. Most of the world does not pay carbon taxes like we do and carbon taxes do not change people's use of essential things like natural gas for heating. We still have to heat our homes in this cold country.

The Liberals are taxing carbon to raise money to subsidize the oil industry, and the Conservatives want to take it directly by cutting services

blackbird · November 3, 2023

15 minutes ago, Gaétan said:

The Liberals are taxing carbon to raise money to subsidize the oil industry, and the Conservatives want to take it directly by cutting services

That is nonsense.

Army Guy · November 3, 2023

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

World War 2 predates the UN, Geneva conventions and current international laws governing war. As I said, collateral damage is tolerated to a degree but militaries do not have carte blanche.

Under the Rome statute, the International Criminal Court considers that a crime occurs if:

an attack is launched on a military objective in the knowledge that the incidental civilian injuries would be clearly excessive in relation to the anticipated military advantage (principle of proportionality) (Article 8(2)(b)(iv).

Meanwhile Protocol I of the Geneva Conventions uses nearly identical concepts. So you cannot carpet bomb an entire city or refugee camp just to kill one terrorist or in a revenge reprisal attack. So when you’re talking about the mass deportation millions of people with the inevitable death that comes along with that The OP on this thread wasn’t about moving civvies out of a combat are it was about completely depopulating Gaza and forcibly relocating i2.2 million inhabitants into desert camps so Israel can have an uninhabited buffer zone. That is mot nearly the same thing nor is it the same thing as bombing a rocket site where civilians are nearby

Can you give us an example of carpet bombing as it relates to Gaza...Isreal has bombed over 600 different targets in one day, each one was a military/ legitimate target. If you have a source that says differently then by all means introduce it...

Is Gaza being depopulated ? no it is not...Hamas is not letting that happen are they, they are holding the population in place to act as shields...Israel asked them to move south, to prevent un nessicary causalities....

Gaétan · November 3, 2023

16 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Can you give us an example of carpet bombing as it relates to Gaza...Isreal has bombed over 600 different targets in one day, each one was a military/ legitimate target. If you have a source that says differently then by all means introduce it...

Is Gaza being depopulated ? no it is not...Hamas is not letting that happen are they, they are holding the population in place to act as shields...Israel asked them to move south, to prevent un nessicary causalities....

This the propaganda of the complicit in the genocide like you, Biden, Trudeau and so on but it is not true, they just shoot where they can kill as much people as possible: Hospitals, schools, refugee camps, where they know that the people are.

Edited November 3, 2023 by Gaétan

BeaverFever · November 3, 2023

14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Can you give us an example of carpet bombing as it relates to Gaza...Isreal has bombed over 600 different targets in one day, each one was a military/ legitimate target. If you have a source that says differently then by all means introduce it...

Is Gaza being depopulated ? no it is not...Hamas is not letting that happen are they, they are holding the population in place to act as shields...Israel asked them to move south, to prevent un nessicary causalities....

I didn’t say they are carpet bombing. People on this thread suggested it would be ok to kill large numbers of civilians in this conflict and I said there are limits.

AFAIK Has is not holding anyone in place. Read the thread title, it is about an Israeli official’s “concept paper” to forcibly depopulate Gaza via forced relocation of all Palestinians into the Egyptian Sinai desert