Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: No its not. Look up the Balfore document and how the Rothchilds essentially bought the lands and gave the deeds to the migrating Jews from Eastern Europe. The problem here is one of oversimplification: The Palestinian people living on the land didn't really care which foreigner claimed to be the owner of their land, whether it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, or the British Empire. They were just people living in houses they built. The real issue isn't about the year 160 AD, or 1917, or 1948. The real issue is today. More importantly, it's about 20 years from today. Israel will unquestionably win this war against Hamas. The question is whether Israel will win the peace, and whether they will lay the ground work for a functional two state solution in 20 or 30 years... or whether a bunch of terrorists are going to murder 1,000 children again. When the US won WW II, we implemented a very liberal plan called The Marshall Plan, and the result was a solid, lasting peace with Germany and Japan for the last 75 years. Today, we cannot possibly imagine going to war with either of those two nations. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Mako Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Rebound said: You do not possess the authority to lecture us on who is and is not a Zionist. You don’t even know what Zionism is. It is the belief that people have a homeland. The Jews have one. Arabs have many. Italians have one. Germans have one. The Dutch have one. And on and on. They’re all Zionists. Here is the definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism Your history of Zionism is also crap. Try not to be such a racist. https://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html Edited October 17, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Mako Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) Israelis spitting on Christians: Edited October 17, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, Mako said: Israelis spitting on Christians: Wow!!! SPITTING!!! So violent. I wonder what they did to antagonize this? Guess they edited that out of the video. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Mako Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 Despite the many sacrifices Americans have made for Israelis, they betray us again and again. https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/10/21/israel-said-to-have-passed-us-intelligence-to-soviets/a39c073e-6de6-4d9e-bfd1-9d8b40bb1799/# https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/25/opinion/essay-the-china-connection.html Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 52 minutes ago, Mako said: Here is the definition: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Zionism Your history of Zionism is also crap. Try not to be such a racist. https://ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html I’m not going to believe this nonsense anti-Semitic crap you posted. If you REALLY believe that crap, tell me this: Do you HONESTLY believe that Israel, on the day they were granted statehood as a nation, with no government or military… on DAY ONE… started a war against seven massive countries? You’ve gotta be incredibly gullible to believe one nation with no army tries to attack seven countries on its first day of its existence. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Mako Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Rebound said: Wow!!! SPITTING!!! So violent. I wonder what they did to antagonize this? Guess they edited that out of the video. Blaming the victim is something you bigots like to do. More bigots: https://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/?sh=391a8f0967b8 Edited October 17, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Legato Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 18 hours ago, taxme said: The bible is a book that was written by you know who. Enough said. ? Lord Voldemort? Quote
Mako Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Rebound said: I’m not going to believe this nonsense anti-Semitic crap you posted. If you REALLY believe that crap, tell me this: Do you HONESTLY believe that Israel, on the day they were granted statehood as a nation, with no government or military… on DAY ONE… started a war against seven massive countries? You’ve gotta be incredibly gullible to believe one nation with no army tries to attack seven countries on its first day of its existence. Of course you can’t ever believe criticism directed against your own group. That is because you are a racist. The Zionists were very well equipped by, among others, Joseph Stalin: https://www.rbth.com/history/327040-ussr-and-israel-from-friends-to-foes https://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/al-schwimmer-94-smuggled-u-s-planes-in-israeli-war/article_83b9c4f0-52f1-5b7d-9b24-8c8e6721bb36.html And I’ve read five not seven Arab countries sent ill-equipped forces to the conflict. Remember at that time these Arab countries had nothing close to the wealth and technology they now possess. Edited October 17, 2023 by Mako Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
Nationalist Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Rebound said: The problem here is one of oversimplification: The Palestinian people living on the land didn't really care which foreigner claimed to be the owner of their land, whether it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire, the Ottoman Empire, or the British Empire. They were just people living in houses they built. The real issue isn't about the year 160 AD, or 1917, or 1948. The real issue is today. More importantly, it's about 20 years from today. Israel will unquestionably win this war against Hamas. The question is whether Israel will win the peace, and whether they will lay the ground work for a functional two state solution in 20 or 30 years... or whether a bunch of terrorists are going to murder 1,000 children again. When the US won WW II, we implemented a very liberal plan called The Marshall Plan, and the result was a solid, lasting peace with Germany and Japan for the last 75 years. Today, we cannot possibly imagine going to war with either of those two nations. A war against Hamas is a dumb idea. Hamas is a political and terrorist organization. Its as dumb as "war on terror" was. Gaza is the enemy of Israel. Take out Gaza completely and voila...no more Hamas. I would mourn the loss of life...just like most people would. But leaving remnants of Hamas alive INSIDE the borders of Israel is just prolonging the problem level the area and be done with it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
West Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Rebound said: The intent of every one of these wars was to 100% remove all Jews from the Middle East Exactly. Israel has bought into the two state deal. The "colonization" they speak of is just their way of trying to garner sympathy for their aggression rooted in religious bigotry against Israel Quote
OftenWrong Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 23 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: God did something in 1900 BC... the same Chuds will say Didn't realize there's a time limit to ideas such as "Thou shalt not kill... Thou shalt not steal..." Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 5 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Didn't realize there's a time limit to ideas such as "Thou shalt not kill... Thou shalt not steal..." Yeah... the post wasn't about that. Old Ideas can be good ideas is the point and I agree. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
OftenWrong Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Yeah... the post wasn't about that. Old Ideas can be good ideas is the point and I agree. No I simply asked, does morality have a timeout? So it's a general observation. Is all Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: No I simply asked, does morality have a timeout? So it's a general observation. Is all Tangential question ? Ok ... sometimes it goes sometimes not. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
impartialobserver Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 It does not really matter who was there first.. What matter is now. Israel is going to fight to maintain it's own existence. Palestine is going to keep fighting Israel due to past grievances.. and as they keep fighting and Israel keeps fighting back. the number of grievances will keep accumulating Quote
Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Mako said: Of course you can’t ever believe criticism directed against your own group. That is because you are a racist. The Zionists were very well equipped by, among others, Joseph Stalin: https://www.rbth.com/history/327040-ussr-and-israel-from-friends-to-foes https://www.bendbulletin.com/localstate/al-schwimmer-94-smuggled-u-s-planes-in-israeli-war/article_83b9c4f0-52f1-5b7d-9b24-8c8e6721bb36.html And I’ve read five not seven Arab countries sent ill-equipped forces to the conflict. Remember at that time these Arab countries had nothing close to the wealth and technology they now possess. Stalin? Yeah, I guess that explains why, in all those wars, the Arabs were always armed with Russian weapons and the Israelis always had American and French weapons. Cause Stalin armed Israel. I get that there are lots of rich Jew-haters out there who create websites full of lies which you’re happy to repost all day. We can all do this. Or, the old, “Hey look! We have an edited video of five or six Jewish people doing something bad. It proves that all Jews are bad!” Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, impartialobserver said: It does not really matter who was there first.. What matter is now. Israel is going to fight to maintain it's own existence. Palestine is going to keep fighting Israel due to past grievances.. and as they keep fighting and Israel keeps fighting back. the number of grievances will keep accumulating Egypt has been at peace with Israel since 1979. Jordan is at peace with Israel. Iraq is at peace with Israel. Things are definitely changing. Iran hates Israel… then again, Iran hates everybody. Time can change things if we all just step back and accept that we need a future in which there are two nations living side by side. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
impartialobserver Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 3 minutes ago, Rebound said: Egypt has been at peace with Israel since 1979. Jordan is at peace with Israel. Iraq is at peace with Israel. Things are definitely changing. Iran hates Israel… then again, Iran hates everybody. Time can change things if we all just step back and accept that we need a future in which there are two nations living side by side. I would think that having an independent state of Palestine would be a suitable compromise. However, I am not religious and do not understand the need to keep bringing up past grievances. Quote
Mako Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Rebound said: Stalin? Yeah, I guess that explains why, in all those wars, the Arabs were always armed with Russian weapons and the Israelis always had American and French weapons. Cause Stalin armed Israel. I get that there are lots of rich Jew-haters out there who create websites full of lies which you’re happy to repost all day. We can all do this. Or, the old, “Hey look! We have an edited video of five or six Jewish people doing something bad. It proves that all Jews are bad!” Facts are facts. Here are some more sources: https://www.jpost.com/international/the-czech-arms-that-saved-israel-650710 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2979/israelstudies.22.3.06?typeAccessWorkflow=login https://www.leftvoice.org/how-joseph-stalin-helped-create-the-state-of-israel/ Edited October 17, 2023 by Mako 1 Quote Pro-genocide CdnFox wrote: “The path to peace is hamas and gaza accept the jewish state's right to exist 100 percent and lay down their arms. OR they all die.”
West Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 26 minutes ago, Mako said: Facts are facts. Here are some more sources: https://www.jpost.com/international/the-czech-arms-that-saved-israel-650710 https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.2979/israelstudies.22.3.06?typeAccessWorkflow=login https://www.leftvoice.org/how-joseph-stalin-helped-create-the-state-of-israel/ Left voice.. sounds legit Quote
Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: A war against Hamas is a dumb idea. Hamas is a political and terrorist organization. Its as dumb as "war on terror" was. Gaza is the enemy of Israel. Take out Gaza completely and voila...no more Hamas. I would mourn the loss of life...just like most people would. But leaving remnants of Hamas alive INSIDE the borders of Israel is just prolonging the problem level the area and be done with it. You’re being vague. Gaza is land. So what solution exactly are you proposing? Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Nationalist Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 38 minutes ago, Rebound said: You’re being vague. Gaza is land. So what solution exactly are you proposing? Empty the land of of its current inhabitants. Carpet bomb...mass deployments of military...marshal law until its calmed down...essentially turn it into a big military base loaded for bear. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Rebound Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 6 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Empty the land of of its current inhabitants. Carpet bomb...mass deployments of military...marshal law until its calmed down...essentially turn it into a big military base loaded for bear. Murder two million people, including one million children under the age of 18? WOW. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Michael Hardner Posted October 17, 2023 Report Posted October 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, Rebound said: Murder two million people, including one million children under the age of 18? WOW. Yeah... ask yourself why you are talking to such a person. How bored can you be ? 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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