Should Hamas support rallies in Canada be stopped?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Gaza should be renamed Pizza, then we can all sit down and eat dinner.

Well i suspect the israelis are about to cut it into slices so that might be appropriate.

[blackbird]

11 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Add to that the creation of Israel by essentially Britain after WWII, has been an intense sore spot to the region.

You probably realize Israel existed long before the 20th century. Israel has been a sore spot for the various non-Jewish Semites and countries in the area for several thousand years.  Many of them believe their ancestry goes back to Abraham.  Abraham's descendants, Isaac and Jacob, became the forefathers of the twelve tribes of Israel several thousand years ago.

 

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Maybe we should tell that to all the students in all the military academies around the world, from West Point to Sandhurst. Apparently, they're wasting their time studying past wars and battles.

Oh C'mon man , studying history is a different thing all together. Are there tings to be learned from the past, yes but, as technology evolves, as weapons evolve so does warfare and that is new. No army charges with swords anymore. The infantry does not have to reload after every shot.  LOL

You lost the argument, time to let go LOL

Edited October 24, 2023 by ExFlyer

[taxme]

On 10/22/2023 at 8:35 AM, suds said:

I agree except for the fact that Hamas controls the site. And if they had any evidence at all that the IDF caused the blast and not one of their own rockets then the logical thing would be for them to bring in UN inspectors. Not doing so says a lot especially when Israel flat out denies it.

And you are certain that if Israel did bomb the church, and an investigation is needed, Israel would agree to have UN inspectors come do their investigation. 

Israel is bombing the hell out of Gaza, which is maiming and killing innocent women and children. But that is okay with you, right? Why are there still people like you that think that Israel can do no wrong. Israel's both enemies are Christianity and Islam and this war has been great for them because they get to beat the crap out of those two religions. It is my understanding that Christianity is not welcome in Israel. But then, I am pretty sure that you can enlighten me out on this? 

And if Israel is such a great friend of America, then why does America not have an extradition treaty with Israel? Just curious. 

[taxme]

On 10/22/2023 at 9:00 AM, CdnFox said:

LOL - i was quoting you sunshine so there you go

So here's the deal.  The problem here isn't me. The problem here is you. You've made useless arguments that get shot down easily by me and others - and that pisses you off so you decide that instead of re-evaluating your argument that I must be evil. EEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLL.   Evil for pointing out truth's you don't like

So then you try insults - turns out you suck and i'm way better at them than you, so once again you're on the losing side and once again - EEEEVVVVIIIIILLLLLLLLL (reeeeeeeee!)

Kid.  Isreal has every right to defend itself. Gaza knowingly and with full intent started this war. The people of gaza knew full well who and what hamas were and have supported them over the years.  Now that population will have to suffer while isreal takes the steps necessary to eliminate the threat to their homeland, which may very well include taking back the gaza strip permanently.  Isreal isn't targeting civvies and tries to avoid killing them but if they're in the way they die.  That's how war works.

You support the terrorists.  You play his little game where you pretend to condemn their actions, but you don't.  You excuse them, and then try to say that isreal has no right to defend itself against them.  And that really this is all isreal's fault anyway because 1948.

Isreal is well within its rights legally, morally and functionally to do what it's doing right now, and every single casualty is 100 percent Hamas' fault which means it's the Gazanian's fault as well.

Sucks to be you. You're just on the wrong side in this and you're angry about that and you want it to be my fault - but it isn't.  Sorry kiddo.

I do not give a shit as to what is going on in this war between Israel and Hamas. So, why the hell do you? Care to comment? Just asking. 

All I know is that I am sick and tired about having to listen on the news every day about what is happening over there in the Middle East. It seems to be Israel is all good, and Hamas is all bad. We watch Nutnetyu speak all the time, but it would be nice to have the media talk to the Hamas leader and get his side of the story, good or bad. I just like to get both sided of the story and not just one side of the story. It seems like that would be the right way to go. Just saying. 

[taxme]

On 10/22/2023 at 9:22 AM, blackbird said:

I can tell you I have absolutely no use for people who publicly demonstrate and support Hamas or their allies or antisemitism.  They should all be deported to the ME.  We don't need those kind of people immigrating to Canada and bringing their wars and disputes to our country.  Immigrant applicants should be screened very carefully and any antisemitic applicants should be rejected.  

Barbara Kay: The insidious hatred that spawned the Holocaust and Hamas' latest pogrom (msn.com)

 

Personally, I would like to see a moratorium on immigration/refugees to Canada for at least 7 years. We have a housing crisis, but yet this country keeps bringing way too many refugees and new immigrants into Canada. The government keeps telling us that we have a housing and a climate crisis in Canada, but yet, they keep bringing in hundreds of thousands of new immigrants every year to add to both crisis. I heard that the Marxist dictator in Ottawa wants to bring in another million new immigrants in the next three years. We appear to have a bunch of stunned politicians that are totally fkd up in their heads. ?

[taxme]

On 10/22/2023 at 9:41 AM, I am Groot said:

You evaluate world problems based on your western values and the complacency of someone who has never known want, fear or danger. But Arabs don't share your values. They don't want what you want. Colonialism is wrong? Why? Gaza was controlled by Egypt before they lost it to Israel. Before that it was the British. Before that the Ottoman Empire. It's a strip of land with no ethnic, religious, cultural or racial distinction from the areas around it.

Take all the dirty Jews away and you think there'll be paradise there? It'll be another Iran, where teenage girls are beaten to death for not properly wearing their hijab, or worse yet, another Afghanistan. There's no interest in democracy and freedom there. They want an Islamic state. This is what you and the other Western lefties are siding with, not the hope of freedom, but the hope of a brutal authoritarian Islamic state. 

The response to Hamas' brutal, heartless attacks on civilians was joy and celebration throughout the Arab world. If they continued, killing and raping tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, the cheering would have been even louder. That's what you and the other unimaginative, unknowing and ignorant lefties don't seem able to wrap your heads around.

It was a Hamas video taken in the Gaza strip while they paraded her in front of cheering Palestinians. The location of such things is easily pinpointed nowadays through matching images online.

Lets just say that the woman, whether she was a Jew or an Arab, she was a victim of war and leave it at that. In war, all things go. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

Politics aside regardless of our views most of us wish to help children. Save the Children is a charitable Canadian organization asking for donation to help with desperate children in Gaza and Israel. It has no political affiliation. You can donate as little as $50 if you wish and can save lives. Regardless of race or religion, a child is a child.. 

https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where-we-work/west-bank-gaza

 

Edited October 24, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Politics aside regardless of our views most of us wish to help children. Save the Children is a charitable Canadian organization asking for donation to help with desperate children in Gaza. It has no political affiliation. You can donate as little as $50 if you wish and can save lives, Regardless of race or religion, a child is a child.. 

https://www.savethechildren.org/us/where-we-work/west-bank-gaza

 

Just curious - are there any charities that are helping the families and children of the people killed in the Palestinian attack on Israel?

Edited October 24, 2023 by CdnFox

[CITIZEN_2015]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Just curious - are there any charities that are helping the families and children of the people killed in the Palestinian attack on Israel?

Yes the website title says help the children of Gaza and Israel/

[CITIZEN_2015]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Just curious - are there any charities that are helping the families and children of the people killed in the Palestinian attack on Israel?

My apology. I used my large screen laptop to donate, so this was the link (to both Israeli and Gaza children)

https://support.savethechildren.org/site/Donation2?df_id=10326&10326.donation=form1&mfc_pref=T&cid=Paid_Search:Google_Paid:Emer_Middle_East:Nonbrand:101523&s_kwcid=AL!9048!3!677410240757!b!!g!!donate to palestine&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw1t2pBhAFEiwA_-A-NNYcIu3itW92nQjk37tjqLi2nFu1PHxx6qR7yYTI_Ywsu6R4IDDyThoCtNAQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&adobe_mc_sdid=SDID%3D795272F91D11D8A5-79552C0D1EC38007|MCORGID%3D6B0E659F56A9E70D7F000101%40AdobeOrg|TS%3D1698176013

 

But when I came to my private laptop (which I use to logon to this forum) to add the link I attached by mistake the one for Gaza children.

I prefer above link as it would be to the discretion of Save the Children fund to determine where the donation can best go not up to me.

Edited October 24, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CdnFox]

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes the website title says help the children of Gaza and Israel/

Fair enough then.

[CITIZEN_2015]

700 killed past 24 hours, deadliest day of conflict

Warning - very disturbing scenes . I could not watch it myself after a few minutes.

 

[CdnFox]

35 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

700 killed past 24 hours, deadliest day of conflict

According to the gaza health ministry - same people who claimed 500 dead at the hospital .

Soo - sounds like about 50 dead then?

Maybe they should surrender.

[I am Groot]

9 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh C'mon man , studying history is a different thing all together. Are there tings to be learned from the past, yes but, as technology evolves, as weapons evolve so does warfare and that is new. No army charges with swords anymore. The infantry does not have to reload after every shot.  LOL

You lost the argument, time to let go LOL

I've noticed that when people seem to be having difficulties offering up a convincing argument they tend to congratulate themselves on some kind of 'victory' over their interlocutor. Frankly, it's kind of silly and childish.

The way Hamas attacked Jewish villages and groups during their breakout was absolutely the same as any group of savage barbarians attacking an enemy village, town or city going back to the Rape of Constantinople. They behaved no differently. Yes, the weapons were different. But they were the same bloodthirsty men utterly lacking in empathy and with the same mindsets in a different time. And if the weapons had been bows, swords and axes they'd have behaved in exactly the same fashion with the same gleeful abandon at being set free from all restraints of law and the encumbrances of society on how they would be allowed to behave.

And the way Israel will attack Gaza will be much the same as the way Americans hit villages in Vietnam, complete with the men who will go down into the tunnels to hunt down the enemy. They might even use many of the same weapons like trench guns and grenades. Though if they have enough sleepy gas on hand they might pump that into the tunnels first.

[suds]

3 hours ago, taxme said:

And you are certain that if Israel did bomb the church, and an investigation is needed, Israel would agree to have UN inspectors come do their investigation. 

Israel is bombing the hell out of Gaza, which is maiming and killing innocent women and children. But that is okay with you, right? Why are there still people like you that think that Israel can do no wrong. Israel's both enemies are Christianity and Islam and this war has been great for them because they get to beat the crap out of those two religions. It is my understanding that Christianity is not welcome in Israel. But then, I am pretty sure that you can enlighten me out on this? 

And if Israel is such a great friend of America, then why does America not have an extradition treaty with Israel? Just curious. 

First of all, it wasn't a church, it was a hospital (parking lot) in Gaza, that took the brunt of the blast. Secondly, what would lead you to believe that the Hamas government would require Israel's permission to bring in neutral 3rd party inspectors??

**As for the rest of your post... either attribute your little rant to something I've posted or don't expect a reply. Offer something sensible and I'll take the time to offer something in return.

Edited October 24, 2023 by suds

[I am Groot]

21 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Conflict between people isn’t new but clearly the Israelis didn’t have everything figured out here. Asymmetrical warfare is full of surprises as we found out on 9/11.

What's new is, as Douglas Murray has said, the Israelis are the only people not allowed to win wars. If they had crushed the Palestinians  years ago, or even pushed them off the land they wouldn't have faced this kind of attack. They listened to whiny westerners and sanctimonious bullshit Arabs (who didn't give a shit about the slaughter of Arab Muslims by Iranians, by Syrians, by ISIS, etc.) Now we have the same people telling them to be 'proportionate' and to not attack because of the danger to civilians. And I hope this time they tell them all to Fack off and just roll through Gaza with tanks and artillery and kill everyone who raises a gun or throws a rock.

 

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I've noticed that when people seem to be having difficulties offering up a convincing argument they tend to congratulate themselves on some kind of 'victory' over their interlocutor. Frankly, it's kind of silly and childish.

The way Hamas attacked Jewish villages and groups during their breakout was absolutely the same as any group of savage barbarians attacking an enemy village, town or city going back to the Rape of Constantinople. They behaved no differently. Yes, the weapons were different. But they were the same bloodthirsty men utterly lacking in empathy and with the same mindsets in a different time. And if the weapons had been bows, swords and axes they'd have behaved in exactly the same fashion with the same gleeful abandon at being set free from all restraints of law and the encumbrances of society on how they would be allowed to behave.

And the way Israel will attack Gaza will be much the same as the way Americans hit villages in Vietnam, complete with the men who will go down into the tunnels to hunt down the enemy. They might even use many of the same weapons like trench guns and grenades. Though if they have enough sleepy gas on hand they might pump that into the tunnels first.

Blah, blah , blah.

I do not care about hamas or israel.

War is war and it is not or ever was claimed to be fair. If rules were to be observed, there would only be face slapping LOL

[I am Groot]

22 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Yep and it is actually their historic grudges that are still unresolved today that foment the rage and hatred these people have for one another. Add to that the creation of Israel by essentially Britain after WWII, has been an intense sore spot to the region. And here we are today, Jews will be hated again. Their homes and businesses targeted. The creepshow came out of the woodwork.

Jews are still hated. Where have you been? That's why a million of them were forced out of surrounding Muslim countries back when they lost their first war to Israel. Israel, of course, took those people in and made them citizens. But the Palestinians? What about them? The surrounding Arab countries said Fack them. THAT is the source of the long decades of festering rage. Only these people should be directing their anger at the surrounding Arab countries, not Israel.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Yes the website title says help the children of Gaza and Israel/

The children of Israel don't need our help. And the only thing we could do for the children of Gaza is take them away from their shitty parents who keep raising each generation to hate.

[OftenWrong]

16 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Jews are still hated. Where have you been?

I've been in Canada where I was taught not to hate by race, religion or slin colour. I never thought I'd see the days we're in now, anti-semitism openly displayed in the streets, Jews afraid for their safety and a PM who spreads lies that encourage it.

But here we are.  ?‍♂️

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

700 killed past 24 hours, deadliest day of conflict

Warning - very disturbing scenes . I could not watch it myself after a few minutes.

 

This is the face of war...no dancing in the streets, no one is cheering anything, just pain, anguish, crying , death and destruction...Hamas knows this all to well and yet despite this, they carried out the deadliest attack in decades... knowing full well there would be massive retaliation...That boys blood is on Hamas hands...their actions brought this pain and suffering....

It is going to get much worse in the next days, as Israel prepares for a ground campaign. 

Hamas thinks it has won some victory some how...all it has done is brought suffering to it's people...perhaps even the end of Hamas ... 

[CITIZEN_2015]

4 hours ago, Army Guy said:

This is the face of war...no dancing in the streets, no one is cheering anything, just pain, anguish, crying , death and destruction...Hamas knows this all to well and yet despite this, they carried out the deadliest attack in decades... knowing full well there would be massive retaliation...That boys blood is on Hamas hands...their actions brought this pain and suffering....

It is going to get much worse in the next days, as Israel prepares for a ground campaign. 

Hamas thinks it has won some victory some how...all it has done is brought suffering to it's people...perhaps even the end of Hamas ... 

Of course they don't care. They are terrorists. It is expected of them not to care about civilians, murder them or use them as shield for their own miserable lives. To them those sacrificed for their twisted evil cause will go to heaven and are doing them a service in their idi*tic minds. This is their mindset. But Israel is a femocracy which stands for Western values.

In my recent trip to Greece I befriended with a Russian girl. As we were discussing politics we talked about World war. I told her that Russian men are women haters because when they captured Berlin they assaulted and raped many Gutman women. and in their defense she said similar to Germán soldiers when they captured Russian cities they raped Russian girls, My response was that yes that was expected because they were Nazis, What do you expect from Nazis. But Russians with their actions proved they are as bad as Nazis.

Edited October 25, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I've been in Canada where I was taught not to hate by race, religion or slin colour. I never thought I'd see the days we're in now, anti-semitism openly displayed in the streets, Jews afraid for their safety and a PM who spreads lies that encourage it.

But here we are.  ?‍♂️

Unfortunately Jews are not the only victims in Canada in this conflict. I am not fond of Arabs or Muslim men myself for historic and feminist reasons but completely reject hate action or violence against any person or group based on race or religion or skin color or sexual orientation. This is totally unCanadian way of life.

 

Edited October 25, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 hours ago, I am Groot said:

The children of Israel don't need our help. And the only thing we could do for the children of Gaza is take them away from their shitty parents who keep raising each generation to hate.

I don't speak for Save the Children but I think the donations would  go to those children who have lost their parents in the conflict so they have no parents to separate them from in the first place.

Edited October 25, 2023 by CITIZEN_2015