Canada advises LGBTQ2 travellers to be aware of U.S. state laws Or: Freeland picks unnecessary fight with US

[CdnFox]

https://globalnews.ca/news/9926172/canada-us-lgbtq-travel/

While overall travel advice around risk levels or health concerns has not changed for the U.S. by Global Affairs Canada (GAC), the department updated its “laws and culture” section specifically to add a section on considerations for the LGBTQ2 community.

“Some states have enacted laws and policies that may affect 2SLGBTQI+ persons,” the advisory states, using the expanded term that includes reference to two-spirit, intersex and other sexualities.

 

 NO state has ANY laws that will lead to a gay person getting arrested for traveling there.

This is purely political and is a virtue-signal to gay people and creates absolutely unnecessary friction between Canada and US states for no good reason in the slightest.

We're going into a tough economic time - Trudeau should be strengthening our trade relations and looking to improve our economy. Instead he's out there picking USELESS and MEANINGLESS fights.  The advisory is clearly intended to be insulting to the us and states.

[Moonlight Graham]

I mean there might be something about a bathroom or changeroom for trans people.

[Queenmandy85]

I'm not sure how asking Canadians to respect US laws is picking a fight with the US. That being said, a little anti -Americanism is a good politics. After all, the Conservative Party beat the Liberals with the slogan, "No truck nor trade with the Yankees." 

[herbie]

13 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I mean there might be something about a bathroom or changeroom for trans people.

Yeah the govt should fund a "Green Book" for safe travel like they had for black people back in the days when America Was Great.

Otherwise if some US states want to act like Iran or China  or some 3rd world country, it's their job and duty to warn travellers. Might need to do so for some Provinces soon...

[OftenWrong]

How's it unsafe to go to a state that requires parental involvement with their own child? Do they not realize the situation's the same in various provinces in Canada and most countries in the world?

Just more beaurocratic waste of time and tax money, when these government workers should be doing their jobs.

This morning the news is dilled with articles about transgenderism. It's the government's number one issue and obsession. Many Canadians have had enough of the garbage and want them to get back to work, but as long as we have Trudeau/ Singh expect it to continue.

Edited August 30, 2023 by OftenWrong

[Nexii]

So they issue a warning but give no specific advice relating to laws in certain states, how lazy. 

Looked into this and it seems Florida does have some crazy (likely unenforceable) laws relating to being transgender and using public bathrooms. In reality, if you pass no one's ever gonna know. And you aren't going to use a public washroom unless you do.

Eventually the fed courts will quash it all like allowing gay marriage, but that's probably 10-20 years out

Edited August 30, 2023 by Nexii

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, Nexii said:

So they issue a warning but give no specific advice relating to laws in certain states, how lazy. 

Looked into this and it seems Florida does have some crazy (likely unenforceable) laws relating to being transgender and using public bathrooms. In reality, if you pass no one's ever gonna know. And you aren't going to use a public washroom unless you do.

Eventually the fed courts will quash it all like allowing gay marriage, but that's probably 10-20 years out

Well of course they don't mention specifics -  this is about attempting to shame other countries and states, not about actual concerns.

Gay marriage will be pretty much impossible to quash, it is arguably protected by the constitution (unless you ban ALL marriage) unlike the abortion laws which were always a bit of a real stretch to shoe horn them in.

[Nexii]

Ah what I meant is eventually they'll quash these bathroom bills at the federal level. It's just segregation laws take two for the Deep South. Most of these laws are being shot down even at the state court levels. Because well they're ridiculous, and even worse than segregation v1 because they leave no bathroom to use at all. 

All this being said I don't think it'll last. DeSantis's popularity is tanking hard since this crusade

[CdnFox]

49 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Ah what I meant is eventually they'll quash these bathroom bills at the federal level. It's just segregation laws take two for the Deep South. Most of these laws are being shot down even at the state court levels. Because well they're ridiculous, and even worse than segregation v1 because they leave no bathroom to use at all. 

All this being said I don't think it'll last. DeSantis's popularity is tanking hard since this crusade

I think Desantis' fortunes have more to do with him taking on trump than toilets   but who can say. His star is somewhat dimmed on the federal stage, that's for sure, one way or another.

Edited August 31, 2023 by CdnFox

[West]

The king of woke Justin Trudeau. Such a scuzz

[Zeitgeist]

The advisory just proves that Canada is a radical left land of identity politics lunatics.  

[Zeitgeist]

23 hours ago, Nexii said:

So they issue a warning but give no specific advice relating to laws in certain states, how lazy. 

Looked into this and it seems Florida does have some crazy (likely unenforceable) laws relating to being transgender and using public bathrooms. In reality, if you pass no one's ever gonna know. And you aren't going to use a public washroom unless you do.

Eventually the fed courts will quash it all like allowing gay marriage, but that's probably 10-20 years out

If a legal name change has taken place and there’s no single use bathroom option, then there has to be a washroom for trans people to use.  The question being debated is whether they should be able to use the expressed gender bathroom instead of the biological gender bathroom.  That decision will rest on the prevailing political views in any given jurisdiction.  Many people see a conflict of various rights: i.e. trans vs. women or trans versus religious or trans versus science, depending on which scientific or pseudoscientific articles you like.  

Edited August 31, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

On 8/30/2023 at 3:54 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

I'm not sure how asking Canadians to respect US laws is picking a fight with the US. That being said, a little anti -Americanism is a good politics. After all, the Conservative Party beat the Liberals with the slogan, "No truck nor trade with the Yankees." 

The problem is that only the US is equipped to defend Canada.  Independence has a price.  I don’t mean pretend independence; I mean real independence.  I’m not sure Canadians would be willing to pay that price.  I wouldn’t because I trust the US to do a better job running Canada than Ottawa right now, sadly.  

Edited August 31, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[West]

It's getting to a point where the only "rights" this so called government looks out for is the "right" for sexual deviants to flash their genitalia in front of children

[Zeitgeist]

This video gives an overview of the depths to which Canada has fallen in recent years.  It’s not the country I knew just a few years ago.  We’ve lost the plot in terms of morality and health.

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, West said:

It's getting to a point where the only "rights" this so called government looks out for is the "right" for sexual deviants to flash their genitalia in front of children

Please! We don't call it 'Genitalia' anymore. Use the proper politically correct term recently approved by the Canadian medical association  -  "Happy Clown Fun Parts"

[OftenWrong]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Please! We don't call it 'Genitalia' anymore. Use the proper politically correct term recently approved by the Canadian medical association  -  "Happy Clown Fun Parts"

it is my understanding

those parts are not so fun anymore

when they get gored out with an ice cream scoop

[OftenWrong]

15 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 trans vs. women or trans versus religious or trans versus science

Its a wedge issue, totally unnecessary in that we are already a tolerant and accepting socety concerning homosexuality. 

This is an invented problem, and it divides us.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Please! We don't call it 'Genitalia' anymore. Use the proper politically correct term recently approved by the Canadian medical association  -  "Happy Clown Fun Parts"

I will soon have a "sperm storage compartment" between my legs if this charade keeps up. Sounds like a feature that can be found in a sperm bank for quicker service.

"Keeps refrigerated, and you are automatically sent an email for your donation."

My wife has already been reduced to a chest feeder.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

it is my understanding

those parts are not so fun anymore

when they get gored out with an ice cream scoop

Ahh.  So you're transphobic you say.

(personally i'll confess to being a little "scoopphobic" afer that mental image tho)

[Guest]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

This is an invented problem, and it divides us.

Exactly.

I mean, we have come a long way socially.

I was at a grocery store with a handsy gay couple ahead of me. They were whispering about what they were going to do tonight. No Fs given as one of the men bumped my cart, as they were kissing in the lineup, backing up.

Not bothered, until I look in their cart:

Cucumber, eggplant, carrots, and had to hold back and turn around knowing those weren't going to be eaten. They threw in a box of eggs as if to prevent judgment.

Reminds me of a time my sister texted me because her husband was at work, to drive over with a list of parts for her sick baby from the grocery store. She would pay me back later.

-Lube

-Ziplock bags

-Exlax.

I have never seen a more traumatized/judgmental look as the cashier slowly scanned my items, staring back at me with each scan. I threw in bubble gum to avoid judgment.

 

[Guest]

Gay people are the most protected, socially. 

Anyone stating they are most at risk, are full of it. Stats don't add up.

I mean, the more you ram ideology down throats, the more you put a target on the backs of a demographic most of us were too busy to really care about.

I see a man in a dress with a beard, pigtails and "I'm a GURL! On their T-shirt, and my judgment is kept to myself. Same for most of us.

Oh, am laughing, but on the inside.

[Nexii]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

If a legal name change has taken place and there’s no single use bathroom option, then there has to be a washroom for trans people to use.  The question being debated is whether they should be able to use the expressed gender bathroom instead of the biological gender bathroom.  That decision will rest on the prevailing political views in any given jurisdiction.  Many people see a conflict of various rights: i.e. trans vs. women or trans versus religious or trans versus science, depending on which scientific or pseudoscientific articles you like.  

Yea but the problem is they mean 'born' sex by biological sex - even being post-op female and living as female is not 'female' to them. Similar issues with intersex - sometimes they make the wrong guess at birth. 

A lot of this confusion comes from conflating sex and gender, both sides do it. Even in Canada there's a ton of nonsense around this. Like to get a different gender marker on your licence, you need to get a birth certificate reissue. Which is nonsense, its retroactively changing the history of the sex you were born as. Further, licences and passports state gender so why does sex matter at all?

FWIW I do think there should be more criteria, you should have to be transitioning or have transitioned to get a gender re-classification for government IDs. Currently the bar is a little lower than this and it should not be. At the same time, sex only matters in medical contexts and that our medical system doesn't really keep the correct history is not good.

[OftenWrong]

34 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Exactly.

I mean, we have come a long way socially.

I was at a grocery store with a handsy gay couple ahead of me. They were whispering about what they were going to do tonight. No Fs given as one of the men bumped my cart, as they were kissing in the lineup, backing up.

Not bothered, until I look in their cart:

Cucumber, eggplant, carrots, and had to hold back and turn around knowing those weren't going to be eaten. They threw in a box of eggs as if to prevent judgment.

Reminds me of a time my sister texted me because her husband was at work, to drive over with a list of parts for her sick baby from the grocery store. She would pay me back later.

-Lube

-Ziplock bags

-Exlax.

I have never seen a more traumatized/judgmental look as the cashier slowly scanned my items, staring back at me with each scan. I threw in bubble gum to avoid judgment.

 

lmao

[OftenWrong]

18 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

If a legal name change has taken place and there’s no single use bathroom option, then there has to be a washroom for trans people to use.

Yes, but the percentage of people in society who are trans and insist on the washroom bit is too low for them to justify the expense of adding it. Especially in older infrastructure.

Now we see bigotry in the architecture itself...