The 'far right' only exists in the minds of paranoid progressives (Liberals, not conservatives, are the true heirs of European fascism)

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/carson-jerema-the-far-right-only-exists-in-the-minds-of-paranoid-progressives

Carson Jerema: The 'far right' only exists in the minds of paranoid progressives

Liberals, not conservatives, are the true heirs of European fascism

(below are clips from the story not the whole story. Follow the link for the whole story).

The phrase “far right,” intended to draw unfavourable comparisons to 1920s and ’30s European fascism, has been twisted into nothing more than a way to smear anyone right of centre as unforgivably extreme or racist, no matter what their actual policies are.

No one, anywhere, has been able to explain how Poilievre’s policies are “far right.” Advocating spending cuts, holding municipalities to account for the lack of housing, blaming the Liberal government and Bank of Canada for inflation and supporting the development of the energy industry are hardly indicative of a “far right” agenda

American economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out that progressive British and American intellectuals initially viewed fascism as a left-wing movement and embraced it. It was only after the military invasions of the ’30s and the racist character of the Nazi regime became undeniable, Sowell writes, that the left “verbally transferred these totalitarian dictatorships to the right, saddling their opponents with these pariahs.”

The fascism that emerged in the ’20s was not an extreme form of conservatism or libertarianism, as progressive journalists and politicians want us to believe today. Forcing private businesses to advance the agenda of the government is more aligned with corporatism, or what the World Economic Forum calls “stakeholder capitalism.”

Or indeed the economic policies of the Trudeau Liberals and the Biden Democrats

[CdnFox]

And this is indeed true.

The fact is that hitler was a market or 'democratic' socialist, He wanted a free market but he wanted it rigidly controlled by the state in a form of market socialism.  His goal was military expansion - the current lefties's goal is "fighting climate change", and "wealth redistribution".

But the left wing ALWAYS accuses the right of what they themselves do in order to deflect people criticizing them.

 

[Nationalist]

It's certainly a sad state for Libbies to be in. Everything they've done has contributed to rising costs. So they must resort to inflationary reduction in the states, compared to only the last 3 years and herald this clap-trap as a win. Here in Canuckland, they don't even have that. So they all just scream about their climate religion, in a mad panic to justify this economic mess they've created. 

It's all truly pathetic. 

[Nexii]

Some western countries do have far-right political parties, but PP's CPC is not one of them. At this point they're closer to the center than any other party in Canada

[CdnFox]

17 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Some western countries do have far-right political parties, but PP's CPC is not one of them. At this point they're closer to the center than any other party in Canada

Well i don't think they're disputing that there is such a thing as a genuine 'far right'.  The actual story goes into a lot more detail.  But i think what they're saying is that the left basically calls anybody right of Castro "the far" or "the radical'  right - and then attempts to paint them as being "just like hitler or mussolini who were far right". 

And he points out that there's nothing 'radically right' about questioning expenditures.  And that musolini and hitler were actually market socialists, not right wingers.

OF course there are honestly far or extreme right loopies out there and extreme left ones as well. Both are dangerous.

[herbie]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Carson Jerema: The 'far right' only exists in the minds of paranoid progressives

And the author's specious opinion piece deserves as much respect as a post by reason10.

Few accuse the CPC of being far right, but they rightfully object to it's pandering to the far right for support instead of the center. Since the Unite the right and the death of the PC party, too much of their time is spent on anti-immigrant, spread the fear of crime and attacking the opposition rather than opposing it with solutions. Now their insistence in opposing all social change as a mainstay of their platform ensures many people who would support the old PCs won't do so again.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nexii said:

Some western countries do have far-right political parties, but PP's CPC is not one of them. At this point they're closer to the center than any other party in Canada

They're all far right wing-nuts given their near universally stupid and paranoid claims that every other party to their left is comprised of commies. This is something they've been doing for decades and decades now. It's like calling everyone a liar, eventually it becomes the quintessential sign of your own position, which is paranoid in either case.

Edited August 24, 2023 by eyeball

[Nefarious Banana]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're all far right wing-nuts given their near universally stupid and paranoid claims that every other party to their left is comprised of commies. This is something they've been doing for decades and decades now. It's like calling everyone a liar, eventually it becomes the quintessential sign of your own position, which is paranoid in either case.

Your 'Toronto/Liberal affliction' is showing yet again . . . . Queenmandy85 your mentor?

[BeaverFever]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/carson-jerema-the-far-right-only-exists-in-the-minds-of-paranoid-progressives

Carson Jerema: The 'far right' only exists in the minds of paranoid progressives

Liberals, not conservatives, are the true heirs of European fascism

(below are clips from the story not the whole story. Follow the link for the whole story).

The phrase “far right,” intended to draw unfavourable comparisons to 1920s and ’30s European fascism, has been twisted into nothing more than a way to smear anyone right of centre as unforgivably extreme or racist, no matter what their actual policies are.

No one, anywhere, has been able to explain how Poilievre’s policies are “far right.” Advocating spending cuts, holding municipalities to account for the lack of housing, blaming the Liberal government and Bank of Canada for inflation and supporting the development of the energy industry are hardly indicative of a “far right” agenda

American economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out that progressive British and American intellectuals initially viewed fascism as a left-wing movement and embraced it. It was only after the military invasions of the ’30s and the racist character of the Nazi regime became undeniable, Sowell writes, that the left “verbally transferred these totalitarian dictatorships to the right, saddling their opponents with these pariahs.”

The fascism that emerged in the ’20s was not an extreme form of conservatism or libertarianism, as progressive journalists and politicians want us to believe today. Forcing private businesses to advance the agenda of the government is more aligned with corporatism, or what the World Economic Forum calls “stakeholder capitalism.”

Or indeed the economic policies of the Trudeau Liberals and the Biden Democrats

What a bunch of revisionist claptrap, even for the National Post. Every right winger is a near-centre moderate and none hold views lore extreme than the other so none cane be called “far” right?

 

All those violent right wing white nationalist Trump supporters in Charleston,  the Proud Boys, Patriot Front and the Oath Keepers and others all of whom support Trump and get in brawls with Drag Queens….what, don’t exist?  Are left wing?  What?

 

On the history side of things, Hitler was the darling of capitalists, industrialists and anti-communists who despised FDR and his “socialist” New Deal and they openly raved about how Hitler transformed the Weimar Republic from a failed state into an economic, industrial and military superpower in just a few years. Hitler jailed and murdered socialists and communists by the thousands, Karl Marx was the Nazi’s Great Satan.  The Republicans were opposed to going to war with Hitler. 
 

Fascists in Italy and Germany as today are extreme social conservatives anti-gay, anti-feminist, anti-immigrant, And their identities are heavily based on promoting “traditional values” and “traditional families“ including the woman’s proper role as a housewife and the husband as the “head of the household”  German and Italian Fascists swept to power in a wave of anti-intellectual, anti-elite, low-brow populism and its only the Right that is embracing that in the West   

As for forcing private business to advance government agendas look no further than DeSantis and Disney. Meanwhile not allowing businesses to pollute and insisting that businesses must obey the law like everyone else is hardly fascism and is not “forcing them to advance the government agenda” anymore than not allowing people to rob, murder or speed through school zones is forcing them to l advance the government agenda”. 

Edited August 24, 2023 by BeaverFever

[eyeball]

24 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Your 'Toronto/Liberal affliction' is showing yet again . . . . Queenmandy85 your mentor?

What are you taking about?

And what's this peculiar fetish you have for Toronto all about?

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

And the author's specious opinion piece deserves as much respect as a post by reason10.

 

I guess that's your way of saying they're right and you have no argument against it 

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Few accuse the CPC of being far right, but they rightfully object to it's pandering to the far right for support instead of the center.

The CPC is constantly accused of being far right.  And what 'pandering to the far right' are you talking about? What 'far right' policies do the cpc have?

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Since the Unite the right and the death of the PC party, too much of their time is spent on anti-immigrant, spread the fear of crime and attacking the opposition rather than opposing it with solutions.

Tell me you don't know anything about politics without telling me.

Show me where the CPC has been 'anti immigration'?  What 'anti immigration' policies do they have?   And how is concern over the increasing crime rate "far right" thinking?  EVERYONE is concerned about that.  Are you suggesting left wing people are HAPPY about the increases in crime?

And it's their JOB to attack the gov't - THEY ARE THE OPPOSITION!! For gods sake, it's right in the name!! They oppose!

It is NOT their job in the slightest at all even a little bit to propose alternative solutions.  It would be stupid to do so.  It's their job to take the solutions proposed and hold them under the microscope and expose any flaws, then teh governing party can decide what to do with it

"Whaaaah - the CPC isn't doing our job for us! WHAAAAHH!"    You must be out of your mind.

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Now their insistence in opposing all social change as a mainstay of their platform

And where have they insisted that? Where do they say there can be no social change?  What social change are you referring to?

This is exactly what the article was talking about.  Fake statements of 'far right' pandering and 'far right' ideology and policy that simply doesn't exist.

 

What you're saying is you're a liberal voter and supporter. ANd if the CPC was a liberal copy you'd vote for it.  Fair enough - but lets nto pretend that makes the cpc far right - it just makes you left.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2023 by CdnFox

[CdnFox]

 Hey eyeball - what could you say to prove this article is completely accurate and the left falsely accuses the right of bing 'far right.....

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

They're all far right wing-nuts given their near universally stupid and paranoid claims....

Wow.   Yeah - that'll do it  

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

All those violent right wing white nationalist Trump supporters in Charleston,  the Proud Boys, Patriot Front and the Oath Keepers and others all of whom support Trump and get in brawls with Drag Queens….what, don’t exist?  Are left wing?  What?

Sorry - is PP one of those? Is the CPC supporting those?

What a lying sack you are, pretending they do.

Like the article said - the CPC is competely unfairly called far right by the left - and here's a lefty claiming the cpc is all proud boys or something.

Typical socialist. Can i get you a  brown shirt?

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Hey eyeball - what could you say to prove this article is completely accurate and the left falsely accuses the right of bing 'far right.....

That CPC supporters are the measure of the party and I don't know of very many that can't talk about anything left of them without making a reference to commies.

When everything is that far to the left of you it pretty much means you're at an extreme distance in the other direction.

Edited August 24, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, eyeball said:

That CPC supporters are the measure of the party and I don't know of very many that can't talk about anything left of them without making a reference to commies.

That's probably just the voices in your head

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

When everything is that far to the left of you it pretty much means you're at an extreme distance in the other direction.

OOOOhkaaaaayyy - so it's the CPC SUPPORTERS fault that you and the left refer to everything as "Far right". LOL - gotcha, makes total sense.    It's probably harper's fault.

Honestly - i get why your ashamed of your own side's actions but still... blaming others wont' fix anything

[eyeball]

Just now, CdnFox said:

That's probably just the voices in your head

Probably not. You've never heard conservatives make references to commies when discussing the left?

 

[herbie]

43 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Show me where the CPC has been 'anti immigration'?  What 'anti immigration' policies do they have?   And how is concern over the increasing crime rate "far right" thinking? 

And you're telling someone who's run for office, been on and chaired PACs and delegate to many conventions that I'm the one that knows nothing abut politics? You've had you hands over your eyes and ears for over a decade. Are you Tommy the deaf, dumb blind boy? Stick to pinball then.

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It is NOT their job in the slightest at all even a little bit to propose alternative solutions.

Drinker of American style KoolAid too? "Opposition" is strictly obstructionism, foolish to actually propose an alternative. Why that would be just too hard for today's Party.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Probably not. You've never heard conservatives make references to commies when discussing the left?

 

You said you've never heard a conservative talk about anyone left of them without mentioning commies - if you're hearing it that much, it's definitely the voices in your head

[CdnFox]

30 minutes ago, herbie said:

And you're telling someone who's run for office, been on and chaired PACs and delegate to many conventions that I'm the one that knows nothing abut politics? You've had you hands over your eyes and ears for over a decade. Are you Tommy the deaf, dumb blind boy? Stick to pinball then.

 

You very obviously don't know shit, and i'll call bullshit on the rest  

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Drinker of American style KoolAid too?

Ahhh the old leftist battlecry   It was a feature of our system before it was of theirs kiddo. Read a book

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"Opposition" is strictly obstructionism, foolish to actually propose an alternative.

Not obstructionism. Opposition. Test, challenge, examine, place under the mircoscope.  Again you prove you have no understanding of politics and you're just choosing to twist the truth.

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Why that would be just too hard for today's Party.

Nobody said it would be hard.  It would be easy - trudeau is a massive screw up, there's a million things he could do better that would be simple to point out.

I didn't say anything about it being hard.  I said that's not their job or why they're there.

 

I notice you coudln't even come up with a SINGLE eample to  support your other claims about their policy.  Just gave up on that. Pathetic.

 

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sorry - is PP one of those? Is the CPC supporting those?

What a lying sack you are, pretending they do.

Like the article said - the CPC is competely unfairly called far right by the left - and here's a lefty claiming the cpc is all proud boys or something.

Typical socialist. Can i get you a  brown shirt?

Don’t try to pivot. Regardless of what PP and the CPC may or may not support, the article falsely claimed that there is no such thing as the “far right  It also falsely claimed that Liberals are the true heirs of fascism  Fascism is literally the standard of “right wing” authoritarianism  

The COC may not be “far right” but they certainly wink at them to keep those votes from going to the People’s Party. 

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

OOOOhkaaaaayyy - so it's the CPC SUPPORTERS fault that you and the left refer to everything as "Far right". LOL - gotcha, makes total sense. 

You're the one who can hardly go two posts without talking about "lefties".  ?

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Don’t try to pivot. Regardless of what PP and the CPC may or may not support, the article falsely claimed that there is no such thing as the “far right  It also falsely claimed that Liberals are the true heirs of fascism  Fascism is literally the standard of “right wing” authoritarianism  

The COC may not be “far right” but they certainly wink at them to keep those votes from going to the People’s Party. 

The pivot is yours.  The article is a canadian article examining how the CPC and PP specifically are falsely branded as far right.

YOU come back with " WHAT - THE PROUD BOYS IN THE US DON"T EXIST?!!?! DERP!"

As to the 'Far right" proud boys et al - they're not really far right either.  They're nationalists. Sometimes white nationalist and even white supremiscists. That has never been a "right wing" thing. As noted - hitler was a left of center socialist, Stalin had his own views on race etc, tommy douglas was a HORRIBLE racist to the point where  the monument society is thinking of renaming stuff.   That crap exists on the right and the left.

They tend to support right wing politiicans because they think that "Freedom" will somehow translate into "free to pass laws against darkies and jews".   Which is mildly nuts.   And because the right currently is the protector of freedom of speech.

But they're not right wing ideologies. Sorry.  Never mind "far right"

Lets hear some of the 'far right" ideology and see whether it's right wing ideology at all or whether it's  "Far Right", and how prevalent it is.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, Moonbox said:

You're the one who can hardly go two posts without talking about "lefties".  ?

LOL - oh look - the "cdnfox made me cry" support group showed up    Still feeling butt hurt over looking like a tool on the other thread so you're going to chase me around like a puppy again ?     Its' kind of your go to thing to do

Lefties and 'commies' are not the same thing.  Am i going to have to explain that to you 40 times before you understand it as well?  And in a political forum discussing most ideas people will be on the right or the left - so it's kind  of a natural thing to come up.

But hey - dont' let facts or logic get in your way  

[Moonbox]

35 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - oh look - the "cdnfox made me cry" support group showed up    Still feeling butt hurt over looking like a tool on the other thread so you're going to chase me around like a puppy again ? 

This sort of lashing out is like a window into your soul.  ?

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The article is a canadian article examining how the CPC and PP specifically

Only one of the 4+ paragraphs you posted mentioned PP or the CPC the rest of what you posted, included the article title and subheading, was baseless diatribe. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

As to the 'Far right" proud boys et al - they're not really far right either.  They're nationalists. Sometimes white nationalist and even white supremiscists. That has never been a "right wing" thing.

LOL ok bub. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

As noted - hitler was a left of center socialist

Absolutely false. That’s like saying Osama bin Landen was a Jew or that Trump is Antifa. Hitler and Nazism were fundamentally and unapologetically overtly anti-socialist. It was literally a core part of their identity and it was official Nazi policy to jail and/or execute socialists. 
 

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

They tend to support right wing politiicans because they think that "Freedom" will somehow translate into "free to pass laws against darkies and jews".   Which is mildly nuts.   And because the right currently is the protector of freedom of speech.

But they're not right wing ideologies. Sorry.  Never mind "far right"

Lets hear some of the 'far right" ideology and see whether it's right wing ideology at all or whether it's  "Far Right", and how prevalent it is.

The problem here is that you don’t have an accurate definition of “right wing”.  The term is not synonymous with freedom. There’s are and have been right wing dictatorships. 

 

See political spectrum below, Hitler and other fascists are top right.