The election prospects

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, myata said:

Not commenting on the personalities or possibilities; but such a trust in the omnipotence of a system with multiple obvious flaws is both ridiculous and scary. Look it cannot fail, no no it never failed wait what's that can it oops! Failure of intelligence and will to adapt and renew can hardly be cured. A human horror comedy, about to play out again?

Man I have no idea what the Hell you're talking about.

[myata]

40 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Man I have no idea what the Hell you're talking about.

Obviously. This makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[myata]

I have the right to be dumb and lazy. I can stomp and shout for any jerk, I don't have to think and understand what can happen and will happen, it has to work or I'll cry. I do not have to remember promises and mistakes, think, take responsibility and demand accountability and responsibility. I don't have to understand that if I'm promised something, including by a power hungry jerk it doesn't at all mean that it will happen in the reality. I don't have to do anything not as much as thinking and still it has to work. Because I want to believe it. That in itself, is enough, right?

Really? Someone promised you that? Could it be a power hungry jerk who will promise you anything to push the button for them and go back to sleep? So, how do you like the cute surprises, around?

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

You seem to have an irrational hatred of the Prime Minister. It almost looks like a fetish. Why would you hate

Well that's the kind of leading question an irrational bigot who's so tribal that he has lost the ability to reason logically would ask i suppose .  Why have you turned to hatred yourself?

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He has been unable to get an effective response to deal with climate change, but that is partly due to having a large swath of uneducated citizens.

He hasn't tried - and the citizens are perfectly well educated. that's the problem he's facing.  They can see the carbon tax was always a lie on his part.

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His government has dealt effectively with the American attempt to wreck NAFTA by getting support from the CPC and the provincial governments.

His government failed utterly with nafta - we lost ground. Big surprise with freeland out there insulting trump just before negotiatons started.  We did badly. The best you can say is it dodin't collapse completely.

We also did horrible with our deal with europe - he totally reversed the positive track we had with india for trade singlehandedly and he ruined our trade relationship with saudi arabia.  And somewhere along the line we became china's biatch .   So basically ALL our major trade went down the tubes with him.

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The government also built a similar team to deal with Covid 19 that likely saved 10's of thousands of lives. That isn't a bad record but the credit belongs to the team, not just one man.

 

He gave hundreds of millions to a chinese company to buy their covid vaccine - only to be stiffed by china and he didn't get a drop.  As a direct result we didn't to go the other suppliers till MUCH later than we should have, resulting in our recieving the vaccines 2 or 3 months late.  Thousands died because of his screw up.

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Nobody deserves the kind of personal hatred you appear to project on the Prime Minister. I have to wonder what he could have done to twist your prospective in this manner. 

 

I get why you are desperate to frame it as irrational hatred.  That way you can pretend he's done nothing wrong and people who critisize him are just "irrational Haters".

You have the mentality of a 6 year old who sticks his fingers in his ears and hums when he hears something he doesn't like.

Justin trudeau has put the country in a debt position that will hold back our children for the next 30 years.

Justin has weakened our economy in a fundimental manner and we're now expected to BADLY underperform for FOURTY years.

Justin has removed personal freedoms and misused power to attack those who he disagrees with. He has publically called over 1/3 of Canadians a "waste of space" who "shouldn't be tolerated".

Justin has taken bribes and been thoroughy corrupt - i know you in the east actually appreciate corruption a bit especially liberal supporters, but you'll note that the track recored in the west shows we really dislike that

Justin killed a lot of people with his covid misakes

Justin coudln't even issue passports or keep an airport open, we became an international joke,

He seized the bank accounts of political opponents who had committed NO crimes.

And your question is why don't we love him like you do'? My question would be what the fcuk is wrong with you that you still defend him?

 

[eyeball]

29 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Justin killed a lot of people with his covid misakes.

Cite.

In meantime...

Beliefs that COVID-19 is exaggerated or an outright hoax, that vaccines can alter a person’s DNA or cause other “covered-up problems” cost Canada an estimated 2,800 lives and thousands of hospitalizations over nine months of the pandemic, according to a new report.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-misinformation-thousands-of-deaths-report/wcm/4d400c7b-aa0b-467c-9f27-5e8276478831/amp/

Its crystal clear that Canada would have fared worse under a conservative government.

[Queenmandy85]

42 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

i know you in the east

Finally, somebody gets it right. I was born and raised in British Columbia (the Kootenays), but now I live tn the eastern province of Saskatchewan. I have always maintained eastern Canada begins at Canmore. Cheers.?

[Queenmandy85]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Its crystal clear that Canada would have fared worse under a conservative government.

I agree with everything you said except the last line. Since we no longer have a federal Conservative Party, not since 2003 when Peter MacKay killed it, there has not been an opportunity to elect a Conservative government. 

I respect Mr. Poilievre, and anyone who is willing to serve the country. I feel the same way about the Mannings or the Bennetts, but I cannot support their socialist credit party. 

[eyeball]

30 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

I agree with everything you said except the last line. Since we no longer have a federal Conservative Party, not since 2003 when Peter MacKay killed it, there has not been an opportunity to elect a Conservative government.

I feel the same way about Liberals... Campaign like lefties but rule like righties... more focused on the distribution of power, to themselves.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Cite.

 

I did previously - i'll do it one last time for you but i'm done with your sealioning. I've told you that before. evne if you didn't see my previous post this would have taken 8 seconds to look up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cansino-deal-canada-nrc-fifth-estate-1.6208241

There is tonnes of additional data out there.  We got vaccines very late because trudeau tried to buy chinese.  You know - the guys he gave all our masks to when we desperately needed them. As a result - thousands died of covid during those months who could have been vaccinated had he not tried to appease his chinese friends.

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Beliefs that COVID-19 is exaggerated or an outright hoax, that vaccines can alter a person’s DNA or cause other “covered-up problems” cost Canada an estimated 2,800 lives and thousands of hospitalizations over nine months of the pandemic, according to a new report.

Well we can mostly lay that at justin's feet as well.  Funny thing - when people have questions or are unsure, turns out going on tv and calling them misogyinists and bigots and wastes of space and saying they shouldn't be tolerated acutally makes them LESS Likely to trust you.  Can you imagine that?!? who knew?!?!

Still - even those lives lost are nothing compared to his vaccine screw up death toll.

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ts crystal clear that Canada would have fared worse under a conservative government.

A conservative gov't  would have gotten the vaccines on time and NOT tried to weaponize the vaccines and get people to hate each other.  A conservative gov't would have brought  people together and earned people's trust.

Many many lives would have been saved under a conservative gov't.  Remember - project lightspeed was due to a republican, not a democrat and they critisized it.

 

Your dear leader cost a lot of canadian lives...  i wonder why that doesn't upset you?

[myata]

Shhh... a big scary secret here.. don't tell anyone OK? So, what does our great bobblehead PP think about You Know Who? Could he be a secret admirer, just in case? Sixty cases in a row and not a dent? What do you think... just think.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Shhh... a big scary secret here.. don't tell anyone OK? So, what does our great bobblehead PP think about You Know Who? Could he be a secret admirer, just in case? Sixty cases in a row and not a dent? What do you think... just think.

Hey - i'm probably worried for nothing here,... but could you do me a favor and just go quickly check to make sure the gas on your stove is shut off?

[myata]

How do you know a promising two year old (mentally) politician in Canada? Guess.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, myata said:

How do you know a promising two year old (mentally) politician in Canada? Guess.

Now now - you're not a politician.  Not when you're awake anyway.

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I did previously - i'll do it one last time for you but i'm done with your sealioning. I've told you that before. evne if you didn't see my previous post this would have taken 8 seconds to look up.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/cansino-deal-canada-nrc-fifth-estate-1.6208241

It must pain you no end having to cite a lefty in a cbc article to make your point.

From your article,

"I think there's no doubt it has set us back years," Davies said. "When you're in a global pandemic, that is deadly, that costs lives." 

How many lives though? Davies is clearly savvy enough to not put a number to something he knows he has no data he can back his claim up with.  Compare your feelies to the quantified conclusions based on actual research, models, data and wide ranging report that I provided.

You say lots then thousands died but I suspect you're using the same inflation arithmetic you have a reputation for.

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Well we can mostly lay that at justin's feet as well.

Nowhere in the article I provided does it cite Trudeau for the misinformation that lead to hundreds of thousands of cases, well over ten thousand hospitalizations and nearly three thousand deaths.  It certainly cites public mistrust in government as a reason why people become vulnerable to it misinformation and Trudeau has certainly proven he can be untrustworthy but the public's mistrust in government was in such a deteriorated state for decades and decades before COVID that to somehow imply mistrust is a new phenomenon associated with Trudeau is ridiculous.

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A conservative gov't  would have gotten the vaccines on time and NOT tried to weaponize the vaccines and get people to hate each other.  A conservative gov't would have brought  people together and earned people's trust.

 

That's pure partisan speculation. As noted, most of the worst COVID outcomes occurred in right-wing jurisdictions i.e. the US.

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Many many lives would have been saved under a conservative gov't.  Remember - project lightspeed was due to a republican, not a democrat and they critisized it.

Davies is a politician and he criticized a politician...it defies all logic or reason. But I do note he didn't appear to lie when doing so.

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Your dear leader cost a lot of canadian lives...  i wonder why that doesn't upset you?

To quote Monty Python...'that's not my dog'.  And how many lives exactly?

I guess I was already upset enough over the reality of the Lavalin affair to be bothered by speculative fiction over his other 'mistakes'.

Edited September 1, 2023 by eyeball

[myata]

Sorry, I have no choice but to keep bringing this matter up until we have a clear answer. Like how else can you deal with these funny politicians"? So what's the stance of our shiny new alternative on multiple blatant lies and an attempt to subvert democratic election? Any comments? Or could he be an admirer?

This coming election has a full potential to turn out the ultimate in "find the better of the worst" traditional conundrum of Canadian pseudo politics, the race to the bottom. Don't hold your breath.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

It must pain you no end having to cite a lefty in a cbc article to make your point.

  Why would it?  I quote from all kinds of sources, left and right, regularly. I worry more about whether or not it's factual. I guess that never occurred to you  

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From your article,

"I think there's no doubt it has set us back years," Davies said. "When you're in a global pandemic, that is deadly, that costs lives." How many lives though? Davies is clearly savvy enough to not put a number to something he knows he has no data he can back his claim up with.

 

So the reporter didn't ask him something and you therefore believe he can't back up his claim.

Well that's pretty typical.  

How many Canadians would he have had to kill before you decided it was  a bad thing?  If it was 100 dead because of his choices - would that be too many? 500? 1000? How many need to die before you decide it's a bad thing?

We didn't get vaccines until months later than we should have.  Do you believe vaccines save lives? Do you believe that the vaccines were effective with the first variant?  Depending on how you define 'covid death'  the number that might have been saved could be in the tens of thousands.

 

But rather than say "holy shit, even a few avoidable deaths is bad",  your response is "We don't know EXACTLY how many died so we shouldn't care".

What a heartless pig you are.  You agree that it must be SOME deaths but you'd rather protect justin than  say that's a bad thing,

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Nowhere in the article I provided does it cite Trudeau for the misinformation that lead to hundreds of thousands of cases,

I never said it did.  The hundreds of thousands was YOUR number.  I just pointed out that Justin's hostile and divisive nature would have made that far worse than it would have been otherwise

Do you have something that proves otherwise?

10 hours ago, eyeball said:

That's pure partisan speculation.

Well no it isn't - but that's rich coming from someone who just said "well it's clear that it would have been worse under the cpc' with no logic or reason

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To quote Monty Python...'that's not my dog'.

It's your dog   And once again, just like every other day - you're back here barking trying to defend him.  If its not your dog why do you spend ALL your time walking him?

 

Bottom line - justin DID  give millions to a chinese company with canadian ties for a vaccine we never got a single dose of.  AND that  DID mean we got vaccines months later.  And that DOES mean that more people died of covid than should have - many more. Unless you're going to turn into an antivaxxer and claim the vaccine didn't do anything for original covid.

 THeir blood is on justin's hands but you're fine with that as long as you get to defend him.

[Army Guy]

On 8/31/2023 at 12:36 PM, TreeBeard said:

No idea.  Probably Freeland.  She seems to be pretty competent.  But, if Justin stays PM, he still has 2 years before an election.  That’s a long time yet. 

 

I am.  I didn’t vote Liberal and don’t like Justin as PM.  All things considered, this is probably an ideal scenario.   Having parties in the House have to compromise is a good thing.   Better the government needs to compromise with the NDP on dental care than with PP on whether getting a vaccine is a good thing.  
 

 

Then all of this is a moot point right, Freeland is not going to have the support she needs, to get elected...Frankly if there is a change i hope she does take that position....it works in Conservatives favor...

You think things work better, but in reality they don't nothing gets fixed, that need to get fixed...think the NDP gives a crap about liberal agenda's, or fixing things, no they are worried about getting their name in lights, "see what we did" Dental care, who cares what it cost, and what got bumped of to finance it... NDP are just spending whores just like the Liberals are...did the NDP demand health care get fixed, housing, Nope...just dental care which for the working man was not an issue...same as child care, which is still not properly funded or available to all Canadians...

 

[eyeball]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Why would it?  I quote from all kinds of sources, left and right, regularly. I worry more about whether or not it's factual. I guess that never occurred to you  

Your source was certainly factual in describing How a failed deal with China to produce a made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccine wasted months and millions but what you're trying to attribute to the failed deal, thousands of deaths, is pure unsubstantiated hooey.

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So the reporter didn't ask him something and you therefore believe he can't back up his claim.

Well that's pretty typical.  

The thing Davies 'claimed' that you're trying to use as evidence of a mistake Trudeau's made that killed thousands is clearly referring to a longer term goal of having the means to manufacture our own vaccine in Canada. 

"I think there's no doubt it has set us back years," Davies said. "When you're in a global pandemic, that is deadly, that costs lives."

Suggesting this mistake set us back months in securing vaccine resulting in the deaths of thousands is hooey because that's not what the article or Davies' comments are about at all.

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How many Canadians would he have had to kill before you decided it was  a bad thing?  If it was 100 dead because of his choices - would that be too many? 500? 1000? How many need to die before you decide it's a bad thing?

Just 1 if it could be proven. In any case I was convinced way back with the Lavalin thing that he should have been impeached or fired or something.

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We didn't get vaccines until months later than we should have.  Do you believe vaccines save lives? Do you believe that the vaccines were effective with the first variant?  Depending on how you define 'covid death'  the number that might have been saved could be in the tens of thousands.

We started receiving vaccine shipments from other vaccine producers in December 2020 the same as the US and other countries.  No one got it faster than the countries it was being produced in which probably explains the effort taken to secure that means from China. I don't see any reason to believe the Conservatives would have had any better luck securing a deal with China or supplies of vaccine from anywhere else any faster.

Nobody, except you, and without having produced any sort of assessment of data, models, research etc is suggesting thousands were killed because We didn't get vaccines until months later than we should have or the collapse of the deal with China.

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But rather than say "holy shit, even a few avoidable deaths is bad",  your response is "We don't know EXACTLY how many died so we shouldn't care".

Compared to your response which is to set your hair on fire and proclaim it must be thousands. 

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What a heartless pig you are.  You agree that it must be SOME deaths but you'd rather protect justin than  say that's a bad thing,

Where did I agree to that? I mean, I suppose there could have been death and illness avoided in all sorts of places along the way but the reason you seem to have for coming up with thousands in this case is your Trudeau Fetish Syndrome.  It's no different when you people get all extreme and compare Trudeau to Hitler and speaking of heartless I can only imagine how forsaken and appalled Hitler and real Nazis would feel about being compared to Trudeau when you do that.

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Well no it isn't - but that's rich coming from someone who just said "well it's clear that it would have been worse under the cpc' with no logic or reason

The reason is logical enough when you compare outcomes by ideology. More right-wing places fared worse. There's even been studies on the topic.

For immediate release: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 

Boston, MA – The higher the exposure to political conservatism, the higher the COVID-19 mortality rates and stress on hospital intensive care unit (ICU) capacity, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/political-ideology-of-u-s-elected-officials-linked-with-covid-19-health-outcomes/

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It's your dog   And once again, just like every other day - you're back here barking trying to defend him.  If its not your dog why do you spend ALL your time walking him?

I'm not, as always I'm here mocking the silliness of your criticism and the ridiculous lengths you go to level it. Just to be sure the reason you do so is to garner support for the Conservatives right? Like I said you try way to hard and in fact the biggest thing that would prevent me from voting for them is the quality of their biggest loudest supporters.

But no, 'definitely not my dog', that's just something you need to tell yourself to keep your shit afloat.

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Bottom line - justin DID  give millions to a chinese company with canadian ties for a vaccine we never got a single dose of.  AND that  DID mean we got vaccines months later.  And that DOES mean that more people died of covid than should have - many more.

Horsehit. Go get a grant, do a study, peer review it and get back to us with the conclusions.

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Unless you're going to turn into an antivaxxer and claim the vaccine didn't do anything for original covid.

Huh, what kind of retarded tangent are you on now?

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THeir blood is on justin's hands but you're fine with that as long as you get to defend him.

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[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

Your source was certainly factual in describing How a failed deal with China to produce a made-in-Canada COVID-19 vaccine wasted months and millions but what you're trying to attribute to the failed deal, thousands of deaths, is pure unsubstantiated hooey.

The thing Davies 'claimed' that you're trying to use as evidence of a mistake Trudeau's made that killed thousands is clearly referring to a longer term goal of having the means to manufacture our own vaccine in Canada. 

"I think there's no doubt it has set us back years," Davies said. "When you're in a global pandemic, that is deadly, that costs lives."

Suggesting this mistake set us back months in securing vaccine resulting in the deaths of thousands is hooey because that's not what the article or Davies' comments are about at all.

Just 1 if it could be proven. In any case I was convinced way back with the Lavalin thing that he should have been impeached or fired or something.

We started receiving vaccine shipments from other vaccine producers in December 2020 the same as the US and other countries.  No one got it faster than the countries it was being produced in which probably explains the effort taken to secure that means from China. I don't see any reason to believe the Conservatives would have had any better luck securing a deal with China or supplies of vaccine from anywhere else any faster.

Nobody, except you, and without having produced any sort of assessment of data, models, research etc is suggesting thousands were killed because We didn't get vaccines until months later than we should have or the collapse of the deal with China.

Compared to your response which is to set your hair on fire and proclaim it must be thousands. 

Where did I agree to that? I mean, I suppose there could have been death and illness avoided in all sorts of places along the way but the reason you seem to have for coming up with thousands in this case is your Trudeau Fetish Syndrome.  It's no different when you people get all extreme and compare Trudeau to Hitler and speaking of heartless I can only imagine how forsaken and appalled Hitler and real Nazis would feel about being compared to Trudeau when you do that.

The reason is logical enough when you compare outcomes by ideology. More right-wing places fared worse. There's even been studies on the topic.

For immediate release: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 

Boston, MA – The higher the exposure to political conservatism, the higher the COVID-19 mortality rates and stress on hospital intensive care unit (ICU) capacity, according to a new study from Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/political-ideology-of-u-s-elected-officials-linked-with-covid-19-health-outcomes/

I'm not, as always I'm here mocking the silliness of your criticism and the ridiculous lengths you go to level it. Just to be sure the reason you do so is to garner support for the Conservatives right? Like I said you try way to hard and in fact the biggest thing that would prevent me from voting for them is the quality of their biggest loudest supporters.

But no, 'definitely not my dog', that's just something you need to tell yourself to keep your shit afloat.

Horsehit. Go get a grant, do a study, peer review it and get back to us with the conclusions.

Huh, what kind of retarded tangent are you on now?

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Blah blah blah lie lie lie us studies that mean nothing in canada  defend justin at all costs!!!!

There was no longer term goal.  They were trying to buy a covid vaccine - and they didn't get a single sample.

MEANWHILE - a VERY respected canadian company known for it's mNRA research went to ottawa with a solid plan to have in hand a vaccine AND a production facility sufficient for all of canada sooner than we'd have gotten anyting from china or the us.  They only needed 10 million or so and could fund the rest.

Despite numerous attempts and public outcry - TRUDEAU REFUSED TO EVEN LOOK AT IT.  They wouldn't even reply.

It was a western company and not affiliated with china.  Two strikes.

 

The article was clear.  We recieved shipments of vaccine late becasue of trudeau.  And that is not the only article. The documentation is extensive.   AND you cant question the source.

Everybody who could have been vaccinated earlier and wasn't who died as a  result is his fault.

But you care more about defending trudeau than the deaths of Canadians. THere's the mindset of a trudeau supporter for you.

[CdnFox]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-waiting-for-made-in-canada-shot-1.6556411

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-why-did-trudeau-trust-china-on-vaccines

https://globalnews.ca/news/7692259/china-canada-vaccine-partnership-politics/

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-questions-mount-over-trudeaus-vaccine-dealings-with-china

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-didnt-invoke-dispute-clause-when-chinese-vaccine-deal-fell-apart-documents-reveal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

 Sorry @eyeball We got the vaccine late - not till well into the new year - because trudeau dicked around with the chinese till the completely stiffed us and ignored Canadian solutions.

 

Edited September 1, 2023 by CdnFox

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We got the vaccine late - not till well into the new year - because trudeau dicked around with the chinese till the completely stiffed us and ignored Canadian solutions.

Hooey.

 

Following Health Canada's emergency authorization of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine on December 9, 2020, mass vaccination efforts began across the country on December 14, 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Canada

 

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) first granted emergency use authorization to the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine on December 10, 2020,^[7] and mass vaccinations began four days later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The Moderna vaccine was granted,residents aged 16 and over.

 

 

[CdnFox]

38 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hooey.

 

Absolute truth i'm afraid.
 

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Following Health Canada's emergency authorization of the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine on December 9, 2020, mass vaccination efforts began across the country on December 14, 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_Canada

 

 

Ahhh - but they didn't really. In fact it was later than that AND - there wasn't even enough to cover seniors in homes and health care workers.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/covid19-vaccine-rollout-plans-canada-1.5836262

In fact i personally am in an 'at risk' group and didn't get mine till almsot march.

Most provinces couldn't give the second shot on time - and instead had to delay it in order to give people their first shot because we didn't have enough. We lucked out and that actually turned out to be good - but that was pure chance.  People were delayed up to four months.

 

 

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The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) first granted emergency use authorization to the Pfizer–BioNTech vaccine on December 10, 2020,^[7] and mass vaccinations began four days later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccination_in_the_United_States#:~:text=The Moderna vaccine was granted,residents aged 16 and over.

 

For everybody.   No delays.  Second doses ready when you wanted them.

 

So - the us had enough doses for everyone by the end of december.

We had enough doses for everyone to have ONE shot by april - enough to vaccinate eveyrone by JULY.  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-vaccine-all-eligible-canadians-1.6118908

US was good to go in december.

Justin delayed the vaccine by months because he bet on the chinese.

Edited September 1, 2023 by CdnFox

[OftenWrong]

44 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-waiting-for-made-in-canada-shot-1.6556411

https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/goldstein-why-did-trudeau-trust-china-on-vaccines

https://globalnews.ca/news/7692259/china-canada-vaccine-partnership-politics/

https://financialpost.com/diane-francis/diane-francis-questions-mount-over-trudeaus-vaccine-dealings-with-china

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-didnt-invoke-dispute-clause-when-chinese-vaccine-deal-fell-apart-documents-reveal

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306

 Sorry @eyeball We got the vaccine late - not till well into the new year - because trudeau dicked around with the chinese till the completely stiffed us and ignored Canadian solutions.

 

Yep. The so-called CAN-SINO deal.

Already old news, which I posted about here as well some time ago.

Get yourselves a history lesson right here-

'Ill-considered'vaccine deal quashed by China cost Canadian taxpayers

For those who do not habla  

[OftenWrong]

Exactly. Chirp chirp. You and Hardener. 

Oh well, no harm done. Always happy to educate. Just would be great if you people did at least try to keep up.

Would save a lot of time.

It's like, people who go bonkers over something called Qanon, while ignoring the evidence surrounding Epstein.

Its like

pointing to the spec in my eye

while ignoring the log jam

coming out of yours

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So - the us had enough doses for everyone by the end of december.

We had enough doses for everyone to have ONE shot by april - enough to vaccinate eveyrone by JULY.  https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-vaccine-all-eligible-canadians-1.6118908

US was good to go in december.

The US had also wasted and disposed of over 85 million doses by May - unwanted by right-wing tards who would rather throw COVID parties, burn their masks and listen to the advice of quacks.

The sort of people who were quantifiably cited as the cause of hundreds of thousands of cases, 13000 hospitalizations and 2800 deaths in Canada.  And these are conservative conclusions.  They resulted in the deaths of hundreds of thousands in the US.

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Justin delayed the vaccine by months because he bet on the chinese.

Why were we in a position where we had to bet on China in the first place. Who left us in that lurch?

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Posted: Apr 28, 2021

Once a world leader in vaccine production, Canada is entirely dependent on foreign sources for COVID-19 shots

Canada's domestic vaccine manufacturing capability has been hollowed out, leaving the country entirely dependent on foreign sources for the doses that promise an eventual return to normal life.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/domestic-vaccine-manufacturing-canada-1.6004427

Amongst other things the article above reports how Conservatives privatized a Crown Corporation that produced vaccine to offshore producers.  How many deaths could have been averted if that hadn't happened?  Thousands if we use your logic.  Again I have zero reason to believe that Conservatives would have gotten us any closer to being first in line than Trudeau. 

As it was, by April 2021 Canada was only behind a small number of other countries in its numbers of citizens vaccinated.  Mostly because they had the capacity to produce their own vaccine in the first place.

In the meantime not a single one of the sources you linked to have said a word about thousands of deaths or blood on Trudeau's hands. That's still just a bunch of hooey you made up.