Canadian Transgender Woman Denied Euthanasia Request over Post-Surgical Pain and Regret

[CdnFox]

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/transgender-woman-denied-euthanasia-in-canada-over-post-surgical-pain-and-regret/

A transgender woman named Lois Cardinal wants to be euthanized because of terrible pain being experienced from–and deep remorse over–having been transitioned surgically. From the Daily Mail story:

An indigenous transgender woman has slammed Canada‘s healthcare system for rejecting her euthanasia request despite the pain she endures from a surgically-built vagina.

In social media posts, Lois Cardinal, a self-proclaimed ‘sterilized First Nations post-op transsexual’ said regret over her medical transition led her to apply for a lethal injection in January.

Cardinal, who lives on a native reserve near St. Paul, Alberta, posted her medical records from the request online this week to draw attention to radical gender ideology.

I find it telling that we don’t hear too much about such severe and chronic post-surgical complications in the debates over “gender-affirming care.” This is another reason why medical conscience laws should apply in this area. Transition surgeries should not be viewed as a “civil right,” if only because they have the potential to cause so much harm to the patient.

 

There is so much wrong here i just don't even know where to start. Although calling it a "Neo-Vagina" as they do in the story is probably the most ridiculous.

BTW - she was 19 when she transitioned.

Apparently most if not all experience pain and discomfort.

 

Transgender is NOT the same thing as  being gay - Gay people can live perfectly healthy happy lives just as they are.  This is a "disphoria" - it is is a mental illness.  It is harmful to the people that have this condition.  We have to stop pretending that this is some sort of 'personality' issue and treat it more like an illness.

Edited July 31, 2023 by CdnFox

[Guest]

7 hours ago, CdnFox said:

find it telling that we don’t hear too much about such severe and chronic post-surgical complications in the debates over “gender-affirming care.”

Thats because it isn't about care.

[CdnFox]

Crap - just realized i forgot to post the link!!!  Original post edited to include it

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/transgender-woman-denied-euthanasia-in-canada-over-post-surgical-pain-and-regret/

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Thats because it isn't about care.

 

Well in the article the trans person who wants to kill herself says that exactly. She says:

Doctors are more interested in finding out what pronouns she uses than easing her pain, she told DailyMail.com. ‘I’m not getting any better and nor am I experiencing better medical care, or any medical care,’ Cardinal said. ‘It’s so captured by gender ideologies, that they care more about my pronouns.’

[myata]

Always better (more beneficial in the longer run) to think with own brain. It was there for a reason, taking billions of years to develop. 50,000 years of history and counting.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

It’s so captured by gender ideologies, that they care more about my pronouns.’

Notice nobody in the far left covering stories like this? They only worry about them dying, when it advances their ideology.

They could eat their own, otherwise.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Notice nobody in the far left covering stories like this? They only worry about them dying, when it advances their ideology.

They could eat their own, otherwise.

She definitely should have been allowed to avail herself of MAID.

Edited July 31, 2023 by bcsapper

[Guest]

54 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

She definitely should have been allowed to avail herself of MAID.

There is just no helping her, and have heard of so many complication stories.

[ExFlyer]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Crap - just realized i forgot to post the link!!!  Original post edited to include it

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/transgender-woman-denied-euthanasia-in-canada-over-post-surgical-pain-and-regret/

 

Well in the article the trans person who wants to kill herself says that exactly. She says:

Doctors are more interested in finding out what pronouns she uses than easing her pain, she told DailyMail.com. ‘I’m not getting any better and nor am I experiencing better medical care, or any medical care,’ Cardinal said. ‘It’s so captured by gender ideologies, that they care more about my pronouns.’

Thing is, she/he was aware of the surgical procedures and the potential of complications (as in any surgical procedure not even as radical as hers/his) but underwent them anyway.

To claim medical professional were more concerned about pronouns is absurd. To say she/he is not getting medical care is also absurd.

Regret is her/his problem., She/he made choices and now does not like them.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Thing is, she/he was aware of the surgical procedures and the potential of complications (as in any surgical procedure not even as radical as hers/his) but underwent them anyway.
 

Was she tho? I wonder.  There's no indication of that in the story and she says that her doctors have been more worried about her pronoun than her care. Now - that's HER story, but as that's the only evidence we have I'm not sure we can say she really undrestood the risks,

Quote

To claim medical professional were more concerned about pronouns is absurd. To say she/he is not getting medical care is also absurd.

Why?

Quote

Regret is her/his problem., She/he made choices and now does not like them.

Agreed.   But it definitely DOES speak to the fact that young people can make mistakes about their sexuality and we should be more cautious allowing them to make permanent life altering choices that they may regret later to the point of suicide.

[WestCanMan]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

This is a "disphoria" - it is is a mental illness.  It is harmful to the people that have this condition.  We have to stop pretending that this is some sort of 'personality' issue and treat it more like an illness.

It's bizarre that people want to cancel us if we don't promote this as some kind of perfect, happy, easy solution where people who have transitioned can have children and everything. Literally none of that is even a little bit true, but we're supposed to act like it is. 

The same people who live in this dreamworld also believe that covid will kill everyone who doesn't vax, but the vaxed are safe. 

We live in an era of mass-induced delusion. 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

She definitely should have been allowed to avail herself of MAID.

The government can't very well pimp sex change operations as the best thing ever for kids of all ages, pay for a young person's transgender surgeries, and then acknowledge that "sometimes kids want to kill themselves because of the trauma and pain that our wonderful surgeries induced".

The Libs might as well just start saying "Vote for the conservatives, our ridiculous policies kill children". 

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Was she tho? I wonder.  There's no indication of that in the story and she says that her doctors have been more worried about her pronoun than her care. Now - that's HER story, but as that's the only evidence we have I'm not sure we can say she really undrestood the risks,

Why?

Agreed.   But it definitely DOES speak to the fact that young people can make mistakes about their sexuality and we should be more cautious allowing them to make permanent life altering choices that they may regret later to the point of suicide.

Yes, it is all "her/his" story.

Because it is her/his story...

It is not just "young people".  It almost seems like it is the thing to do these days just because they can.

So, they claim to be at the pount of suicide because they are in the wrong body and when they get their body of choice, they regret it and claim they are being mistreated??

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes, it is all "her/his" story.

"Her" at the moment i think. Check back next week

 

Quote

It is not just "young people".  It almost seems like it is the thing to do these days just because they can.

Thisi is the concern. Coupled with an insistance in many circles that we must support this to the point of blinding ourselves to science and reason if necessary.

Quote

So, they claim to be at the pount of suicide because they are in the wrong body and when they get their body of choice, they regret it and claim they are being mistreated??

Yep.  Which is what you'd expect out of a mental illness.  It's not entirely rational.  So why are we letting these people who CLEARLY have a mental health condition that impacts their ability to make the right choices with regards to their genders make just those kinds of choices at very young ages unchallenged?

It's stupid.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

The government can't very well pimp sex change operations as the best thing ever for kids of all ages, pay for a young person's transgender surgeries, and then acknowledge that "sometimes kids want to kill themselves because of the trauma and pain that our wonderful surgeries induced".

The Libs might as well just start saying "Vote for the conservatives, our ridiculous policies kill children". 

She was a kid?  How old was she? 

The Daily Mail says she's 35 now, which would make her ~21 wheh she had the surgery, but you can't trust the Daily Mail.

[August1991]

5 hours ago, bcsapper said:

She definitely should have been allowed to avail herself of MAID.

WTF?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, August1991 said:

WTF?

I know!  Who the hell do they think they are!

[August1991]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

There is just no helping her, and have heard of so many complication stories.

I strongly disagree.

We must be a society of life.

=====

The world does not lack for children. It lacks educated children.

 

[WestCanMan]

38 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

She was a kid?  How old was she? 

The Daily Mail says she's 35 now, which would make her ~21 wheh she had the surgery, but you can't trust the Daily Mail.

I don't honestly know. The OP said that she was 19 when she transitioned and I didn't read the article. I just assumed it wasn't that long ago because of how much pain she's still in. 

If she transitioned at 19 then I assume that she must have started the process as a kid, I don't think surgery is the first step. Wouldn't it take at least a few years to get to the point of the actual surgery? 

[Guest]

21 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I don't honestly know. The OP said that she was 19 when she transitioned and I didn't read the article. I just assumed it wasn't that long ago because of how much pain she's still in. 

If she transitioned at 19 then I assume that she must have started the process as a kid, I don't think surgery is the first step. Wouldn't it take at least a few years to get to the point of the actual surgery? 

Beats me.  I'll go with the Mail then, and assume she was an adult when she chose to have the surgery.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

She was a kid?  How old was she? 

The Daily Mail says she's 35 now, which would make her ~21 wheh she had the surgery, but you can't trust the Daily Mail.

She was 19 - it's not in that story but in other stories about this it mentiones that.

Edited August 1, 2023 by CdnFox

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Beats me.  I'll go with the Mail then, and assume she was an adult when she chose to have the surgery.

She was definitely an adult on the day that she had the surgery. The age of majority in Canada is either 18 or 19, never 20 or more. But that's not the point. 

The point is that while she was growing up, her young mind was being conditioned to believe that the whole process was "safe and effective". She was promised a Hallmark movie life and she got a Steven King movie. Did she even know that there was a chance of her Steven King movie life? 

You understand that she didn't just make the decision at 19 and get the surgery that same year, right?

Leftist politicians and leftist toadies are all pretending that biological men can actually become women now, they have periods, and they can have babies, etc. They're selling false hope to gender-confused children. It's beyond pathetic.

This person's story is the last thing that leftists want kids to be aware of.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

She was definitely an adult on the day that she had the surgery. The age of majority in Canada is either 18 or 19, never 20 or more. But that's not the point. 

The point is that while she was growing up, her young mind was being conditioned to believe that the whole process was "safe and effective". She was promised a Hallmark movie life and she got a Steven King movie. Did she even know that there was a chance of her Steven King movie life? 

You understand that she didn't just make the decision at 19 and get the surgery that same year, right?

Leftist politicians and leftist toadies are all pretending that biological men can actually become women now, they have periods, and they can have babies, etc. They're selling false hope to gender-confused children. It's beyond pathetic.

This person's story is the last thing that leftists want kids to be aware of.

Okay.  If anyone lied to her they should be held responsible.  I assume such surgery is not undertaken without an explanation of the risks involved.  If it was, there should be consequences.

I don't know of anyone who says that a man can have a period or give birth.  Unless it's a woman who says she's a man.

I think this women should be allowed MAID, and then her story should be taught in schools.

 

Edited August 1, 2023 by bcsapper

[ExFlyer]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

"Her" at the moment i think. Check back next week

 

Thisi is the concern. Coupled with an insistance in many circles that we must support this to the point of blinding ourselves to science and reason if necessary.

Yep.  Which is what you'd expect out of a mental illness.  It's not entirely rational.  So why are we letting these people who CLEARLY have a mental health condition that impacts their ability to make the right choices with regards to their genders make just those kinds of choices at very young ages unchallenged?

It's stupid.

Mental illness. This generations excuse when caught doing stupid or irrational things.

[Zeitgeist]

16 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Yes, it is all "her/his" story.

Because it is her/his story...

It is not just "young people".  It almost seems like it is the thing to do these days just because they can.

So, they claim to be at the pount of suicide because they are in the wrong body and when they get their body of choice, they regret it and claim they are being mistreated??

Right, but rather than treating the dysphoria as a psychological condition, which it is according to the DSM, they’re skipping to hormones/surgery and making everyone else comply with the lie that a medical intervention can alter gender because “trans rights are human rights”.  No doubt if someone has undergone this extreme medical procedure, we’re all going to go along with the lie because the patient has been through enough, but the cases of regret and detransition are many but receive little attention.  Public funding of sex change operations is dubious, especially when we won’t fund catastrophic drug costs for serious diseases.

Again though, our supposedly progressive regime puts ideology before health and stewardship of public services.  It goes further though, I think, because our institutions will support all forms of technological/medical intervention to euthanize people and ensure that people who can’t have kids naturally can do so (in vitro, etc.). Why? For ideological reasons.

Canada is an increasingly lost, radical left jurisdiction.  Our kids are confused by our ideologically driven public education system.  Our stretched healthcare system is burdened by our ideologically driven procedures that have very loose connections with healthcare.  In some cases they are an attack on public health.

Some of these newly created “rights” seem to matter more than long-established ones.  Conversion therapy is banned on ideological grounds and free speech is dismissed. Religious rights of families are disregarded in favour of celebrating Pride in elementary schools. Girls/women’s rights to privacy and access to athletic opportunities are ignored in favour of new trans rights.

This is all on ideological grounds that have nothing to do with science.

Edited August 1, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Okay.  If anyone lied to her they should be held responsible.  I assume such surgery is not undertaken without an explanation of the risks involved.  If it was, there should be consequences.

I don't know of anyone who says that a man can have a period or give birth.  Unless it's a woman who says she's a man.

I think this women should be allowed MAID, and then her story should be taught in schools.

 

https://mytransgenderdate.com/blog/2022/03/do-transgender-women-get-periods

Theoretically they don't get the bleeding, but they get the cramps and bytcheeness. Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger. 

"Scientific" American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-a-transgender-woman-could-get-pregnant/

https://news.yahoo.com/famous-being-pregnant-man-heres-202541047.html

Quote

It's been thirteen years since Thomas Beatie sat down for his first TV interview and told Oprah — and the world — how he could possibly be pregnant, as a man.

I'll be honest, I didn't even read ^that^ whole article. If you do, let me know how it turned out. If you Google that Thomas Beatie guy the articles that come up seem to indicate that he had a baby. I just can't bring myself to read about it right now. I have a really bad headache.