BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 4 hours ago, I am Groot said: The Muslim world is poor because it's Muslim. I guess you have never heard of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain Kuwait, Qatar? They are some of the strictest Muslims and all very rich. There are many poor non-Muslim countries some of them majority Christian even. Quote
I am Groot Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: I guess you have never heard of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain Kuwait, Qatar? They are some of the strictest Muslims and all very rich. There are many poor non-Muslim countries some of them majority Christian even. The countries you mention all got rich on oil that was discovered, developed, and is overseen by Western oil companies and engineers. None of it is their doing. When you see the tall, lovely buildings put up in these countries, look up the architects and engineers responsible. None are local. Almost all are from the West. The only successful (though still poor) Muslim countries are the less strict ones in the Pacific that have large minority Christian/Hindu/Buddhist populations that they allow to do the things Muslims aren't, like running banks and financial enterprises and building large companies. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Legato Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: I guess you have never heard of Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain Kuwait, Qatar? They are some of the strictest Muslims and all very rich. There are many poor non-Muslim countries some of them majority Christian even. Rich because of oil and extraction developed for them by westerners. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 23 hours ago, I am Groot said: We don't have time. We saw how fast the military could move when the PM was behind it and ordering things for Afghanistan. Sole source orders were out in weeks for the quick delivery of helicopters, planes, and armored vehicles. Clearly, the current government feels no particular urgency. Your expectations are unrealistic amd the UORs delivered for Afghanistan wee not as you claim: They were not delivered in “weeks.” And they were for very small numbers, not full fleets And that was straightforward for conventional gear for GWOT in the pre-drone era, not high end near-peer conflict when technology doctrine strategy and tactics are changing daily and therefore project requirements and needed capabilities are as well. And currently producers worldwide have a production backlog now made worse by Trump’s Iran folly. And with global supply chains and US bullying we can’t simply trust and ignore our dependencies on foreign imports and foreign-based in service support like we used to. Quote
Army Guy Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 On 5/21/2026 at 12:43 PM, BeaverFever said: They weren’t holding the strait hostage until Trump attacked them. And the Trump administration has explicitly stated they don’t believe in the concept of international law and that that the natural order of things is that countries are free to do whatever they are powerful enough to get away with. It seems that for now Iran is powerful enough to get away with closing the strait, thanks to Trump’s incompetence. And Iran was not left alone to do as they pleased they have been heavily sanctioned and they have paid a price for it. Sure there are limits to what sanctions can achieve especially when China and Russia are supporting them but clearly there are limits to what US hard power can achieve as so far it has only made things worse not better. That's a powerful accusation...got anything to back that up...US is a signatory to that agreement....but judging by the inter national response to the whole thing, i guess your right if nobody is going to enforce anything then inter national law means squat, to any body....Powerful enough anyone with a could of speed boats and ground based missiles could close the strait... GIVE ME A BREAK, Iran has been doing what it wants to ,when it wants to for decades....it sponsors 4 of the worlds largest terrorist groups in the world, it kills thousands of its own people on a weekend just for fun....and now someone has kicked them in the nuts that makes trump a bad man....most of the Iranian people don't think so....talk to some of them in this forum....Sanctions means squat....name me a time when they solved a world problem...ask Russia how their sanctions are going...And lets not start thinking we in the west give a sh!t, or this would have happened decades ago.... US hard power has keep the world safe...for generations...and for the most part most of NATO have sat around watching , and pointing the fingers at the US....and now they have a president that is not shy about telling the allied to sit the F*ck down...and they are butt hurt....Yet they have no problems living under that umbrella of security... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 1 minute ago, Legato said: Rich because of oil and extraction developed for them by westerners. 1) Not quite accurate They have been developing their own extraction for decades now and that’s when they started getting rich. In the very beginning westerners were doing the extraction and the Arabs were poor 2) Even if your statement was true it would be irrelevant because the claim is that Islam makes wealth impossible. And yet they are both incredibly Muslim and incredibly rich. Quote
BeaverFever Posted May 24 Author Report Posted May 24 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: That's a powerful accusation...got anything to back that up...US is a signatory to that agreement....but judging by the inter national response to the whole thing, i guess your right if nobody is going to enforce anything then inter national law means squat, to any body....Powerful enough anyone with a could of speed boats and ground based missiles could close the strait... Dude attacking Iran to begin with is a violation of international law and the Trump administration has publicly stated they don’t even believe in the legitimacy of international law. The strait was closed as a direct result of Trump attack. So it’s hilarious that you would site upholding international law as a reason to join Trump’s illegal and epically mismanaged war. 16 minutes ago, Army Guy said: GIVE ME A BREAK, Iran has been doing what it wants to ,when it wants to for decades....it sponsors 4 of the worlds largest terrorist groups in the world, it kills thousands of its own people on a weekend just for fun....and now someone has kicked them in the nuts that makes trump a bad man....most of the Iranian people don't think so....talk to some of them in this forum....Sanctions means squat....name me a time when they solved a world problem...ask Russia how their sanctions are going...And lets not start thinking we in the west give a sh!t, or this would have happened decades ago.... Then Trump should have campaigned as the president who would start this war and cause this global economic crisis and then if elected he should have gone to congress for approval instead of campaigning as the president who would not join foreign wars, end inflation “on day 1” and has made a back-room deal with the Republican House Leader to keep a bi-partisan majority of congressmen from voting to end the war Sanctions and a deal is what had prevented Iran from enriching Uranium until Trump killed the deal without replacement during his first term. Sanctions is what lead to the uprising in Iran immediately prior to the war. Iran doesn’t have the wealth and influence of Russia and Russia is being kept afloat by China and its association and connections with various regimes around the world which Iran doesn’t have. . The reason why this didn’t happen decades ago is because everyone up until Trump was intelligent enough to understand the global economic disaster that is now unfolding. Edited May 24 by BeaverFever Quote
Army Guy Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 On 5/21/2026 at 6:02 PM, BeaverFever said: Nonsense. Entire apartment buildings and hundreds of acres land has been bought. Bases are being completely renovated sewage electric housing. 7 bombardier jets purchased, multiple space and satellite deals. The deal for the apartment building deal they bought in ESQUIMALT was closed within 5 weeks. I have posted many of them on here. Your extreme partisan bias doesn’t allow you to absorb the truth. WOW....a couple of buildings, 7 jets....I'm sure those on the pointy end of the stick are awe struck....at what the Liberals have accomplished in one full year....mean while in the real world almost every combat system is obsolete, ships, fighters, tanks, IFV, trucks....not including all the capabilities we have lost, or need....and some of the other infra structure dates back to the 50's, in Petawawa some of it's building date back to WW1 use to be old horse stables... Lack of housing has been a problem every since DND decided it would save a few bucks a demo hundreds of PMQs, and old infra structure.. with out replacement....FACT remains that DND is short thousands of PMQ's , not to mention todays PMQ's were purchased in the 50's....and paid off for multi decades....So excuse me if i don't get excited over a few buildings being built, nor should you in fact you should be screaming for them to build more........I'm sure those Military members that are couch suffering or sleeping in tents are happy... Extreme bias....No sir, i spent 34 years swallowing sh!t and lies about what the government promised to do for the military, I've watched good men and women die in combat equipment that was or is to old....I'm sorry i have not swallowed Carneys Kool-Aid lie you have . I'm still waiting to see if he will deliver anything but promises.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
I am Groot Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: And currently producers worldwide have a production backlog now made worse by Trump’s Iran folly. And with global supply chains and US bullying we can’t simply trust and ignore our dependencies on foreign imports and foreign-based in service support like we used to. Yes, I'm sure those are issues. But they don't become issues until we PLACE A BLOODY ORDER! Which we have not yet done. Tanks? Armored vehicles? Trucks? Artillery? Anti-aircraft systems? Antiarmor systems? Submarines? Helicopters? Ammunition? You can buy off-the-shelf stuff. Why is there no project to just build our own armed drones? Is the technology too complex? If so, why are Turkey and Iran producing hundreds, if not thousands? Note, I'm not talking about those absurdly expensive Reapers, which we're going to spend a bloody fortune on and get in ten years. By the way, the US has reportedly lost two dozen of them in Iran. We're paying $2.5 billion for 11 of them. Turkey, meanwhile, is selling its drones (these aren't suicide drones, but ones that carry missiles) to such great military powers as Croatia, Saudi Arabia, and Mali. Mali will have sophisticated, long-range armed drones while Canada has none. Doesn't that sound absurd to you? 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Army Guy Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 On 5/21/2026 at 6:09 PM, BeaverFever said: Not the NATO charter. The 2% is from a 2014 NON-BINDING PLEDGE signed by Harper and ignored for a decade afterwards by every country. The 3.5 plus 1.5 is from last year and is also a non-binding pledge. You mean the last time that pledge as you called it was signed was by justin....he made a great big deal out of it, then he flew back to Canada and told the world he had no intention of upholding any of it...Why even go there if you had not intention of upholding any of it.... Every nation that signed that new pledge has said they would honor it...including Canada....non binding or not, Carney has said to the world we will honor it...his and our nations reputation depend on them keeping their word...but i get it liberals have a long establish history of just saying F88k it.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Legato Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 25 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: 1) Not quite accurate They have been developing their own extraction for decades now and that’s when they started getting rich. In the very beginning westerners were doing the extraction and the Arabs were poor 2) Even if your statement was true it would be irrelevant because the claim is that Islam makes wealth impossible. And yet they are both incredibly Muslim and incredibly rich. Saudi Arabia relies heavily on major Western oilfield service corporations like Schlumberger, Halliburton, and Baker Hughes to provide the specialized equipment and technical expertise required to drill and extract their crude oil Quote
I am Groot Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 17 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Dude attacking Iran to begin with is a violation of international law and the Trump administration has publicly stated they don’t even believe in the legitimacy of international law. Far be it for me to defend the crooked Orange shitstain, but whether attacking Iran is a violation of international law is a questionable claim at best. Given that Iran has been funding, organizing, training, and equipping a variety of terrorist/guerrilla entities to make direct war on Israel and murder its citizens (which definitely gives Israel casus belli), Israel has every right under international law to go after them. And the US, as their ally, can certainly assist them. Iran's proxies have also murdered Canadians and Americans, and fired missiles at American and other Western civilian shipping. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
Army Guy Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 9 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: Dude attacking Iran to begin with is a violation of international law and the Trump administration has publicly stated they don’t even believe in the legitimacy of international law. The strait was closed as a direct result of Trump attack. So it’s hilarious that you would site upholding international law as a reason to join Trump’s illegal and epically mismanaged war. Then Trump should have campaigned as the president who would start this war and cause this global economic crisis and then if elected he should have gone to congress for approval instead of campaigning as the president who would not join foreign wars, end inflation “on day 1” and has made a back-room deal with the Republican House Leader to keep a bi-partisan majority of congressmen from voting to end the war Sanctions and a deal is what had prevented Iran from enriching Uranium until Trump killed the deal without replacement during his first term. Sanctions is what lead to the uprising in Iran immediately prior to the war. Iran doesn’t have the wealth and influence of Russia and Russia is being kept afloat by China and its association and connections with various regimes around the world which Iran doesn’t have. . The reason why this didn’t happen decades ago is because everyone up until Trump was intelligent enough to understand the global economic disaster that is now unfolding. So where in international law says you can conduct and sponsor terrorism around the globe? where is it stated that killing off thousands of your own people is OK...Common sense says Iran and those extremist should not be allowed to get a hold of a nuclear weapon....they have already stated they would use it on Israel as soon as they got one....then the closing of the strait and every one sits around with their thumb up their A$$es and then complains about trump being the worlds police men AGAIN....like we are OK with them being terrorist, killing each other....ya we love that sh!t....but when someone tries to stop that or police another nation....your a very bad man... Inter national law means nothing in the grand scheme of things....or the free world would be doing more than condemning thoise actions...and taking some action to make sure it does not happen again.... Howe do you know they were not enriching Uranium....they have tones of it.... So sanctions don't work do they....they provide inconvenience to other nations, but not enough to make a difference...like i said name a nation that stop doing what ever because of sanctions.. economic disaster, now your just being dramatic...US and Canada are making billions filling in shortfalls on fossil fuels in fact all those producing nations are pulling in all kinds of extra income do to the disaster your describe....fuel prices went up....that's not a economic disaster, that's a blip on the scale...if it was a disaster nations would have mobilized their military to sort it out...OH wait that is what the US is doing... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
I am Groot Posted May 24 Report Posted May 24 36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: 1) Not quite accurate They have been developing their own extraction for decades now and that’s when they started getting rich. In the very beginning westerners were doing the extraction and the Arabs were poor They started getting rich when they formed OPEC and jacked up the price of oil. 36 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: 2) Even if your statement was true it would be irrelevant because the claim is that Islam makes wealth impossible. And yet they are both incredibly Muslim and incredibly rich. Look at the number of Arab or even Muslim winners of the Nobel Prize. There are four, three of whom emigrated to the West and won their prizes for work there. The fourth also won their prize for work in the West. Jews have won over 150. Science and technology are not considered important fields of study in Muslim countries. Islam is. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
User Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 Reminder of what a cowardly, lying, POS @BeaverFever is: Quote
eyeball Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: Approximate Population Trends: USA ████████▆▅▄▃▃ Canada ███████▅▄▃▂▂ France ██████▅▄▃▃▃ Germany █████▅▄▃▂▂ Italy █████▅▄▂▂▁ OECD Avg ███████▅▄▃▂ It's about time. Of course it spells disaster - the death of the economy will be worse than climate change. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
BeaverFever Posted May 25 Author Report Posted May 25 1 hour ago, User said: Reminder of what a cowardly, lying, POS @BeaverFever is: Oh look, who is so triggered! Desperate for my attention! You’ve been on here all day just waiting for me and getting so jealous that I’ve been giving my attention to others. I told you you were my b1tch LMAO I own you! There have been a lot of posts on this thread I haven’t bothered to go through them all yet. You’ll just have to wait, for my reply b1tch. YOU will wait for ME, to respond at my convenience. And if I do I know you’ll be right there to immediately reply because you’re my b1tch and I own you. 1 Quote
Zeitgeist Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 2 hours ago, eyeball said: It's about time. Of course it spells disaster - the death of the economy will be worse than climate change. We spend half the year freezing in Canada waiting for this hyped climate change to warm up the joint. Stop making promises you can’t keep. 1 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 17 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Your expectations are unrealistic amd the UORs delivered for Afghanistan wee not as you claim: They were not delivered in “weeks.” And they were for very small numbers, not full fleets And that was straightforward for conventional gear for GWOT in the pre-drone era, not high end near-peer conflict when technology doctrine strategy and tactics are changing daily and therefore project requirements and needed capabilities are as well. And currently producers worldwide have a production backlog now made worse by Trump’s Iran folly. And with global supply chains and US bullying we can’t simply trust and ignore our dependencies on foreign imports and foreign-based in service support like we used to. May not have been in weeks but it was a thousand times faster than any normal purchasing, funny when government wants something it can move pretty fast, like the PM plane, or those 7 new leer jets for VIP transport....and some how we are still researching the F-35 purchase...for 10 plus years... We did purchase new C-130J and C-17, plus the Iltis replacement, G-Wagon..... If that was the case , our current purchasing policies would be in constant motion due to the time it takes to make one purchase....Just look at the new 9mm pistol and how long that was in the works....F-18 replacement....it takes decades.... Euro Producers world wide are backed up due to NATO's new polices of 3.5 percent spent on military and equipment, and 1.5 on military infra structure....Only this time most NATO countries are getting on board, and ordering shit tones of new equipment...Trumps Iran folly as you describe it is effects mostly American weapons manufactures... Canada military industrial complex is small because that is how they wanted it....that and the fact we only order stuff every 40 years...not enough to float any industry....there are a few exceptions...GD making LAV,s and the armored cars we build for Ukraine, i guess you could mention the Bombardier leer jets Sweden refits... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: We spend half the year freezing in Canada waiting for this hyped climate change to warm up the joint. Stop making promises you can’t keep. Seriously, given the socioeconomic catastrophism you people subscribe to? LMAO! Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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CdnFox Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Seriously, given the socioeconomic catastrophism you people subscribe to? LMAO! You got that backwards, you're the ones who keep claiming that our world and economy will collapse due to climate change, not us Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 27 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You got that backwards, you're the ones who keep claiming that our world and economy will collapse due to climate change, not us You people claim the world and economy will collapse if we do anything about climate change. But I'm all for just letting nature take its course too. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 1 hour ago, eyeball said: You people claim the world and economy will collapse if we do anything about climate change. Nobody anywhere has ever said anything remotely close to that. What we have pointed out is that you are damaging and crashing the economy without actually doing anything about climate change and that's a problem. The carbon tax did nothing and yet seriously impacted Canada's economy and now we have to deal with trump in a weekend state that you left us in. We can do to address climate change without destroying the economy. Everyone acknowledges that. This includes remediation and adoption as well. But nobody anywhere has ever said that if we do something about climate change it will destroy our economy, the problem is your solutions never work and that makes destroying the economy kind of pointless Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted May 25 Report Posted May 25 24 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nobody anywhere has ever said anything remotely close to that. It's a hoax...a scam. Donald Trump, repeatedly, to millions of cheering adoring fans. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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