Canadian Defence News

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

See my responses to other posts 

 

the TL;DR is that it will take years to dig ourselves out of the hole we’re in but the the right action is being taken now and things are progressing well. It will take time for capabilities to he delivered, your expectations are unrealistic and your criticisms are politically motivated. 

We don't have time. We saw how fast the military could move when the PM was behind it and ordering things for Afghanistan. Sole source orders were out in weeks for the quick delivery of helicopters, planes, and armored vehicles. Clearly, the current government feels no particular urgency.

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You went to a website about a specific project using “UNIQUE GEOLOGICAL FEATURES” in FRANCE to back up tour gibberish statement about all natural gas plants?  Are you suggesting every gas plant in North America is sited on top of unique geological caverns?  That is gibberish. We have natural gas plants all over Ontario and indeed North America they are not built on top of “unique geological features” . You desperation is ridiculous. 
 

Your buzzword of the day seems to be “context” and then you spout this nonsense that has ABSOLUTELY NO BEARING ON THE CONTEXT of the discussion which was about battery grid storage in Ontario. What a joke you are. 
 

Of course you don’t. Why would YOU of all people?  You don’t know shit from a hole in the wall. Especially on this topic. Your ignorance isn’t a license to ignore inconvenient truths.“Harvard?  Yale?  Never heard of them therefore they’re not credible!” . Sorry punk, that doesn’t fly. 
 

Mostly like us. Some worse Spain just reached 2% and is the only NATO country to declare it has no intention of ever going further, unlike everyone else  

 

See this is the game you play that I described where nothing counts as “buying”  The announcement doesn’t count . Signing the contract doesn’t count  And then when money changes hand and product is delivered it doesn’t count because “it was previously announced and therefore not new”  You take advantage of the reality that going from selection to delivery with incremental payments along the way takes months and years so that you can say nothing counts.  You also don’t understand that fast procurement means a 10-year project gets shortened to 2-3 years, not 48 hours. 
 

Again you don’t understand how the world works. Large orders take time for companies to fulfill and deliver   Producers have other customers and backlogs and wait lists. 
 

I know EXACTLY what I am talking about. You are the one with the non-existent political knowledge, falsely claiming George W bush balanced budgets when he famously ran record deficits and doubled debt, falsely claiming that “the left” supported Hitler when in fact it was the American RIGHT and you admitted you never even heard of the Spanish Civil War, let alone that “the left” had mobilized by the thousands to fight fascism there while republicans lauded Hitler’s reforms.  

The bridge is both things, a troll of Canada and MAGA bribery  These are not mutually exclusive things  

 

Let’s recall that your first point was that they don’t believe we will actively any money which is false

Now let’s debunk your false claim that they’ve simply said they’ll take our money if we offer it  The Koreans and Germans are FIERCELY COMPETING for that sub contract making MAJOR offers to invest in Canada across the entire economy in space, energy, manufacturing and so on.  
 

Yes I have mentioned many times the 7 new aircraft Carney ordered which you continue to ignore Every time The sub contract will be awarded this year probably before the summer is out which is LIGHTNING SPEED. It is already many years ahead of schedule.  
 

Seriously this has all been widely reported in the media and mentioned on this thread numerous times. As with all you right wing internet hacks and MAGAs in general I can’t tell where your ignorance ends and where your dishonesty begins.

 

No you don’t understand. That’s clear. You don’t start information and then work your way to a conclusion.  You start with you preferred conclusion and then cherry pick only the selective facts that confirm your bias while remaining generally uninformed about the topic. That’s what internet rage-baiters do which is pretty much all of the right wingers who spend their lives on this forum. 
 

The DIA only takes on certain projects and DICE wasn’t one of them  Subs are moving a record pace.  New assault rifle acquisition was expedited by 2 years  and contract was awarded  

This is a non-exhaustive list of the DIA projects where contacts have now been awarded, with others moving along at pace. You will completely ignore this part of my post and not respond it won’t you?

 

 

• Airlift Capability Project – Multi-role Flight Service
  Canada will replace its aging CC-144 Challenger fleet with modern, long-range aircraft to ensure safe, reliable transport for government and military personnel while improving efficiency
• Arctic Over-the-Horizon Radar
  This radar system will provide long-range detection of airborne threats in the Arctic, significantly improving early warning capabilities
• CC-130J Hercules upgrades
  In-service support for and upgrades to the Royal Canadian Air Force’s CC-130J fleet will ensure continued support for tactical airlift operations
• Defence Enhanced Surveillance from Space
  This North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) modernization project is aimed at improving Canada’s ability to detect and track threats using advanced space-based surveillance technologies 
• Enhanced Satellite Communications Project – Polar
  This project will improve and modernize NORAD radar capabilities while also enhancing satellite communications
• Canadian Modular Assault Rifle Phase 1 includes procuring 30,000 General Service (GS) rifles Phase 2 will include procuring the remaining 19,207 GS rifles, 16,195 Full Spectrum (FS) rifles, as well as associated ancillaries.

 

Yes the Americans are stupid, no their trolling is not due to some genuine principled and honest concern.

Yes we are spending more, no the SMALL cutbacks to SUPPLEMENTS for DEPLOYED members don’t even REMOTELY come close to the MASSIVE increases to BASE PAY for ALL members, 

 

No the announcements would not “make us the toughest country in the world” and of course our preparedness shouldn’t have improved YET because even fast moving projects take years to order and deliver. A fact you don’t seem to understand. 

What are you talking about you twat? I never went to France with anything.

Again this is simple. Do we have any more equipment or bullets or uniforms then we used to? No. Do we have fewer armored vehicles than we should have had? Yes. Is any of this going to change in the immediate future? No

There's nothing on your list that actually resolves our issues and nothing that carney can't cancel and most of it hasn't actually been firmed up

So again it's all lies. He says that we spent our NATO commitment last year and we didn't. From an accounting point of view he can make it look like that but the Americans and everybody else with half a brain can take one look and see that we didn't. We spent about what we always do. And no planes ordered no submarines ordered no tanks ordered and we have the same order for vehicles except we gave 50 of them away already.

And all you post is crap that some day we might order something (but not enough even if it's true) All you're doing is proving us right. You're a freaking joke

Meanwhile our military is begging soldiers to give its gear back because there's not enough DESPITE you posting news from LAST YEAR that they'd made a selection and would be ordering gear 

You're a complete fraud. You have no clue about what you're saying. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

You guys don’t know what you’re talking about.

They do, and you've proven yourself to be a complete ignorant twat. 

Here's the bottom line, seeing as you don't seem able to comprehend anything more than that. 

You cannot store electricity economically in enough volume to be there when you need it. 

You can store oil or gas economically in enough volume to be there when you need it. 

So any system where you must store electricity for future use because it can't be made on demand is useless as a primary power source. At best it's secondary or support. 

IF you can't understand that very simple and easily verified fact, then you need to fire your elementary school teacher and apply for remedial courses. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I have posted many times now all the contracts that have been awarded.

You posted that the contracts were awarded for new military rucksacks and uniforms and that was a year ago and we don't have them

The liberals cancel contracts all the time. How many freaking times have they bought and then unbought the f-35s?  They've done it with helicopters and transport aircraft and all kinds of things and that's when they're not giving it to the Ukraine as it comes across the line

So nobody believes that shit. They promise to give the armed forces a raise right? And then after that was done they immediately clawed back a huge amount of their pay.

Carney absolutely promised over a million dollars a year to make sure that happens and what have we got? Nothing. We're even talking tanks and planes we're talking about clothing. Are you honestly telling me it takes more than a year to fill an order of clothing.

You're a lying sack of crap who's covering for a lying sack of crap. Carney isn't fixing the military, he's not digging himself out of anything, he's making announcements he knows he'll never have to deliver on and any money he does spend he spends on infrastructure that has nothing to do with the military that he was going to spend anyway

What a gullible fool you are

[eyeball]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

We have none of what it takes for a modern army to fight effectively.

What does this even mean anymore given the apparent inability of modern military superpowers to knock off far weaker opponents? This trend has been with us going back to Korea and Vietnam and is only getting more obvious.

All it seems we really need are guns, bullets some capacity to churn out drones and Bob's our uncle.

In the unlikely event we get down to just one person left standing, they could touch off a nuclear plant converted to Doomsday Bomb and it's Sayonara.

Better dead than fill-in-blank here right?

Right?

[Legato]

48 minutes ago, eyeball said:

What does this even mean anymore given the apparent inability of modern military superpowers to knock off far weaker opponents? This trend has been with us going back to Korea and Vietnam and is only getting more obvious.

All it seems we really need are guns, bullets some capacity to churn out drones and Bob's our uncle.

In the unlikely event we get down to just one person left standing, they could touch off a nuclear plant converted to Doomsday Bomb and it's Sayonara.

Better dead than fill-in-blank here right?

Right?

Right right left right left right left     left     left right left right would be okay if the army had boots.

Maybe the Beave can lend them his.

[eyeball]

When's the last time a warhawk that's gung-ho on military spending ever complained about effectiveness when it comes to the bazillions wasted on offensive warfare - something that's rarely if ever gained anything since WW2?

Oh...wait a minute...they complained all the time - they always cried about needing just a little more money.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

All explained in my previous posts.

You mean you lied about it in your previous posts. Yes we can see that.

Every single one of your claims has been shot down with evidence. And you keep coming back to the same nonsense, one day somewhere down the road we're going to spend money honest really for sure guaranteed we're not lying this time

Which is bullshit

Even you posted an article about how clothing had been purchased and we were going to get it any day and that was over a year ago and now they're running out and begging soldiers to give clothing and rucksacks back because they don't have enough. 

You're a liar and you simply are trying to defend the liberals against the indefensible and it's pathetic. I'm not buying it, sane canadians aren't buying it, obviously the Americans aren't buying it

And this is exactly as I predicted. So in fact it's I who know more than you. You don't know shit and it shows

[Zeitgeist]

23 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Realistically, other NATO allies weren't going to join them because they're all, including Canada, captive to their new Muslim voting base. Virtually all other NATO allies are run by leftists, and they are reliant on Muslim votes for a significant portion of their power. The US is the only one that has more Jews than Muslims right now, though its Muslim population is growing fast. It also has a conservative (sort of) government not beholden to Muslim votes.

I don’t know that I see the Muslims in general as the source of our cultural woes.  Some are, sure, but they’re also the last bulwark against the LGBTQ2S+ indoctrination that has taken firm hold within our education systems and governments.  I have no issues with people having the freedom to choose these lifestyles, but pushing them with public symbols and taxpayer money as our birth rates tank is probably a worse problem than some of our Muslim immigration, because at least many Muslims understand that the traditional family is the cornerstone of a growing civilization.  Many people who call themselves Christian and Jewish seem to have forgotten this.  

[I am Groot]

47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t know that I see the Muslims in general as the source of our cultural woes.  Some are, sure, but they’re also the last bulwark against the LGBTQ2S+ indoctrination that has taken firm hold within our education systems and governments.

I'd rather have the LGBT than the Muslims. The former don't want to kill me.

And if you hadn't noticed, Canadian Muslims, just like in other Western nations, ignore all that stuff and vote for the Liberals because their priority is bringing more Muslims in, receiving generous social welfare benefits (many don't work0 and being catered to and pandered to. They'll take care of th e LGBT people when they have the numbers to legally prohibit them.

47 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 I have no issues with people having the freedom to choose these lifestyles, but pushing them with public symbols and taxpayer money as our birth rates tank is probably a worse problem than some of our Muslim immigration, because at least many Muslims understand that the traditional family is the cornerstone of a growing civilization.  Many people who call themselves Christian and Jewish seem to have forgotten this.  

You don't seem to know much about Islam or the history of Muslims. Islam is not something that is compatible with a 'growing civilization'. Islamic countries can barely even be described as civilizations. They're backward, brutal, and barbaric, and their societies, on the whole, haven't progressed in a thousand years. In fact, during my lifetime, they've steadily regressed. They are the death of civilization as well as social, technological, and scientific progress.

As for pushing lifestyles on others, Muslims tend to do that with a sword in their fist, and a demand to worship Allah or die.

 

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I'd rather have the LGBT than the Muslims. The former don't want to kill me.

Yet.    

[CdnFox]

13 hours ago, eyeball said:

What does this even mean anymore given the apparent inability of modern military superpowers to knock off far weaker opponents?

Means we should have at least as good as gear as their far weaker opponents. 

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This trend has been with us going back to Korea and Vietnam and is only getting more obvious.

LOL nonsense.  Both Korea and Vietnam had the us or allies up against china which was by no means whatsoever a 'weak' opponent     How laughable! Yeash kid read a history book. 

 

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All it seems we really need are guns, bullets some capacity to churn out drones and Bob's our uncle.

We don't really have any of those.  We're so short on ammo that the soldiers buy their own to practice, we have zero drone capacity or experience, and we MIGHT have guns but i'm not actually sure we have enough of those either, considering we just ran out of rucksacks ffs.

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In the unlikely event we get down to just one person left standing, they could touch off a nuclear plant converted to Doomsday Bomb and it's Sayonara.

well...  that WOULD require us to get all of the bad guys to stand directly around the plant and that might be problematic, but it's as sound a plan as most of your other ones so sure  

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

I'd rather have the LGBT than the Muslims. The former don't want to kill me.

And if you hadn't noticed, Canadian Muslims, just like in other Western nations, ignore all that stuff and vote for the Liberals because their priority is bringing more Muslims in, receiving generous social welfare benefits (many don't work0 and being catered to and pandered to. They'll take care of th e LGBT people when they have the numbers to legally prohibit them.

You don't seem to know much about Islam or the history of Muslims. Islam is not something that is compatible with a 'growing civilization'. Islamic countries can barely even be described as civilizations. They're backward, brutal, and barbaric, and their societies, on the whole, haven't progressed in a thousand years. In fact, during my lifetime, they've steadily regressed. They are the death of civilization as well as social, technological, and scientific progress.

As for pushing lifestyles on others, Muslims tend to do that with a sword in their fist, and a demand to worship Allah or die.

 

I think it depends on Muslims’ country of origin and form of Islam.  I know a fair amount about the sects, pillars, etc. Once upon a time many Islamic countries were quite tolerant, e.g. the Moors in Spain (Isabella’s Spanish Inquisition was brutal by comparison), and during our “Dark Ages” the Islamic world was advancing in math, science, astronomy, etc.  Don’t get me wrong, I think we should primarily be bringing in people from Christian European countries, not because the people are white, but because of the cultural similarities to Canada’s founding peoples, but the reality is that the West itself is very confused and self-loathing right now.

Our hyper progressive ideas are what are causing us to scrap our own traditions in the name of fighting colonialism, the patriarchy, white privilege, gender normativity, and heterosexuality.  These are the same left wing lunatics encouraging mass immigration from the most dysfunctional countries.  They’re the ones showing up at pro Palestinian rallies with rainbow flags.  These lunatics are the grandchildren of many Judeo-Christian families that were well-functioning and growing 50 years ago.  See the problem?  Yes there are many problems among Muslin immigrants, but we have other problems at the centre of our own modern Western civilization.  The reality is that the Muslms and Indigenous are having kids while the grandkiddies of Christians and Jews are trying to figure out what their genders are and who they love.  

Edited May 24 by Zeitgeist

[John Johnston]

On 5/22/2026 at 3:18 PM, BeaverFever said:

Conservative and MAGA dipshits say: “Doesn’t count because Something something I will think of an excuse later! Delete memory! Delete memory! He’s done nothing! He’s done nothing! NOTHINGGGGGG!  Aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!!”

Yep. 

[I am Groot]

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I think it depends on Muslims’ country of origin and form of Islam.

The ones from the Pacific tend to be more tolerant than the ones from the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia, but they all stifle innovation and freedom. The Muslim world is poor because it's Muslim. These countries all observe Islamic prohibitions on borrowing and loaning money for interest, which means they have very weak and tiny banking sectors. There is also an Islamic thing about not earning money from the labour of another, which has caused there to be almost no major corporations in the Islamic world. They're mostly small, mom-and-pop or family outfits. Starting to see why the Marxists like Islam?

Then there's the problem of Islam turning away from science, philosophy, technology, etc. This started around the 14th century with the rise of the Ash'arite school of theology, which basically said you don't need to know anything that isn't in the Quran or Hadiths. All is as Allah wills it. The brightest young boys for centuries have studied the Quran instead of science, engineering or technology. Every time you see a tall, shiny building in a Muslim nation, check out who the architects were and who was hired to build it. Not Muslims. Westerners still mostly maintain the oil infrastructure in the Arab world, too.

Muslim countries (2 billion people) have only ever had 4 Nobel Prizes in science. Two were Turkish-Americans, one was Egyptian-American. By contrast, 221 Jews have won the Nobel for Science.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

the reality is that the West itself is very confused and self-loathing right now.

I completely agree. The solution is to get an active conservative government in and have it start reversing this. Change the grant structure for universities and for overall education in transfers to the provinces. Get involved in ensuring there is unbiased teaching. Refuse any and all research grants to universities that are slanted. Don't even give any federal loans or grants to students who want to attend courses that are anti-Canadian or Anti-Western, and that includes all those moronic gender studies and feminist studies, etc. classes. Ban racial hiring, promotion, or any other racial or gender hiring and promotion preferences, as well as in the acceptance of students. Stop funding media that do it, too. Fire half the staff at the CBC, take it over, and start putting out patriotic programs and programs that encourage families to have children.

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The ones from the Pacific tend to be more tolerant than the ones from the Middle East, North Africa, and South Asia, but they all stifle innovation and freedom. The Muslim world is poor because it's Muslim. These countries all observe Islamic prohibitions on borrowing and loaning money for interest, which means they have very weak and tiny banking sectors. There is also an Islamic thing about not earning money from the labour of another, which has caused there to be almost no major corporations in the Islamic world. They're mostly small, mom-and-pop or family outfits. Starting to see why the Marxists like Islam?

Then there's the problem of Islam turning away from science, philosophy, technology, etc. This started around the 14th century with the rise of the Ash'arite school of theology, which basically said you don't need to know anything that isn't in the Quran or Hadiths. All is as Allah wills it. The brightest young boys for centuries have studied the Quran instead of science, engineering or technology. Every time you see a tall, shiny building in a Muslim nation, check out who the architects were and who was hired to build it. Not Muslims. Westerners still mostly maintain the oil infrastructure in the Arab world, too.

Muslim countries (2 billion people) have only ever had 4 Nobel Prizes in science. Two were Turkish-Americans, one was Egyptian-American. By contrast, 221 Jews have won the Nobel for Science.

 

 

 

I completely agree. The solution is to get an active conservative government in and have it start reversing this. Change the grant structure for universities and for overall education in transfers to the provinces. Get involved in ensuring there is unbiased teaching. Refuse any and all research grants to universities that are slanted. Don't even give any federal loans or grants to students who want to attend courses that are anti-Canadian or Anti-Western, and that includes all those moronic gender studies and feminist studies, etc. classes. Ban racial hiring, promotion, or any other racial or gender hiring and promotion preferences, as well as in the acceptance of students. Stop funding media that do it, too. Fire half the staff at the CBC, take it over, and start putting out patriotic programs and programs that encourage families to have children.

 

This is the big memo Canada doesn’t seem to have gotten and it’s the main reason Trump got elected and still has a lot of support despite all the trade nonsense.  

[eyeball]

28 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

start putting out patriotic programs and programs that encourage families to have children.

We need more humans squabbling over increasingly scarce resources? Yup, that's the ticket.

[Zeitgeist]

Approximate Population Trends:

USA      ████████▆▅▄▃▃
Canada   ███████▅▄▃▂▂
France   ██████▅▄▃▃▃
Germany  █████▅▄▃▂▂
Italy    █████▅▄▂▂▁
OECD Avg ███████▅▄▃▂

Key demographic patterns:

• Southern Europe and East Asia show the steepest projected contractions.
• Countries with higher immigration (Canada, U.S., U.K.) remain more stable.
• Most of the decline comes from:
  • fertility rates below replacement,
  • aging populations,
  • and shrinking working-age cohorts.

For example:

• Italy’s fertility rate has hovered around 1.2 children per woman.
• Japan’s has remained around 1.2–1.3 for years.
• Canada’s population growth is projected to depend heavily on immigration because fertility is also well below replacement.

Another important point is that even where total population remains stable, the age structure changes dramatically:

• far more retirees,
• fewer workers per retiree,
• and slower economic/labour-force growth.

By late century, some projections suggest:

• nearly 40% of populations in parts of Europe and East Asia could be over 65,
• while school-age populations shrink substantially.

These declines have been driven by factors such as:

• delayed marriage and childbirth,
• urbanization,
• women’s educational and career opportunities,
• housing and childcare costs,
• changing cultural norms,
• lower desired family size,
• and economic uncertainty

Approximate Population Totals Without Immigration

Country	2025	2050	2075	2100
Canada	41M	~34M	~26M	~20M
United States	347M	~315M	~270M	~225M
Israel	10M	~15M	~18M	~23M
Japan	124M	~105M	~82M	~58M

What This Shows

Canada

Without immigration, Canada would likely face one of the steepest long-term contractions in the developed world because:

• fertility is very low (~1.3),
• the population is aging rapidly,
• and natural increase is already close to zero in some regions.

United States

The U.S. declines more slowly because:

• fertility is somewhat higher,
• population structure is younger,
• and regional variation is large.

Israel

Israel remains a major outlier:

• fertility remains above replacement,
• strong natural increase continues,
• and population growth persists even without immigration.

Japan

Japan’s trajectory changes relatively little because:

• immigration is already limited,
• demographic decline is driven mainly by low births and aging.

The Underlying Demographic Mechanism

Once fertility stays below replacement level (2.1) for long periods:

• each generation becomes smaller,
• median age rises,
• deaths eventually exceed births,
• and population contraction accelerates.

This is sometimes called a demographic inversion or population momentum decline.

By late century, without immigration:

• many Western societies would have dramatically older populations,
• smaller school-age cohorts,
• and much smaller labour forces.

This is why immigration has become structurally important for countries such as Canada and, increasingly, the United States.

Edited May 24 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

On 5/22/2026 at 4:18 PM, BeaverFever said:

Conservative and MAGA dipshits say: “Doesn’t count because Something something 

Because it's not military?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Underlying Demographic Mechanism

Once fertility stays below replacement level (2.1) for long periods:

• each generation becomes smaller,
• median age rises,
• deaths eventually exceed births,
• and population contraction accelerates.

Of course, populations have been slashed by war and disease many times in the past, sometimes to half their previous size. And you know what happens? People have more children. When the black death killed half the peasants in England, landowners had to increase the pay and be kinder to those working their farms by 400%. 

Stop immigration, or hugely slow it, and let our population decline. Suddenly, housing costs drop a lot. Workers are more valuable and are paid more. Employers strive to maintain those workers, so they increase benefits and job security. Presto! People start having more kids!

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

By late century, without immigration:

• many Western societies would have dramatically older populations,
• smaller school-age cohorts,
• and much smaller labour forces.

This is why immigration has become structurally important for countries such as Canada and, increasingly, the United States.

And?

So what?

I was born to a Canada that had half the present population, and it was a pretty good place to grow up.

Edited May 24 by I am Groot

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Reminder of what a cowardly, pathetic, lying POS @BeaverFever is: 
 

 

[John Stone]

[Army Guy]

On 5/19/2026 at 11:51 PM, Zeitgeist said:

The only conclusion I draw from this is that US defence leadership made the foolish decision to go it alone and now they can’t put the genie back in the bottle.  Canada should refine its own oil and ensure that we have affordable domestic supply.  Why should any country be trying to suck up to Trump, a leader who has basically screwed up well functioning supply chains, abused allies, and driven up inflation?  

You would have a point if we were pulling our weight and the bill was 50/50, but that is not happening, and we can not blame this on trump, this has been going on for decades. I mean our air force could not shoot down that Chinese balloon because we have a major lack in capabilities...Canada should do a lot of things, just that problem is a major issue it shows Canadian government being short sighted in a lot of areas...

You call it sucking up, i call it survival, do to a whole sting of short sighted decision by all federal parties...we are dependent on the US for trade, not even Carney and a magic wand can divest our trade that fast so that trump is not a factor...and today pissing him off is not going to get any new results, we already know how he reacts , and yet the liberals keep pushing his buttons...

[BeaverFever]

23 hours ago, I am Groot said:

We haven't ordered anything of substance yet.

Satellites? Not military. Aircraft? Not military. Space launch? Not military. Assault rifles? (twirling finger in air)

Wrong. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Or you don’t know what the word military means. Military communications satellites are military. RCAF aircraft are military. 
 

By the way, the NATO standard is for DEFENCE spending. Which includes military and non- military defence. Intelligence, cyber. Coast guard and space are all non-Military defence and NATO EXPLICITLY SAYS that is included in the spending target. 

[Army Guy]

On 5/21/2026 at 3:01 PM, BeaverFever said:

That’s just juvenile MAGA trolling. The fact the MAGA hack appointee linked to Carney’s Davos speech confirms it  

The board didn’t even meet last year either.   MAGAs don’t do planning and don’t do collaboration with others therefore no need for a board anyway. 
 

Consensus from Canadian analysts is that the impact of this announcement is mostly symbolic and doesn’t affect much in the ground. 

That's the typical liberal response...blamer it on mega or trump....liberal actions and policies had nothing to do with that decision....or maybe it is just the US sending us another warning....YOUR not moving fast enough...they want to see some positive action....contracts signed troops getting new equipment....

Just a question what could have Canada contributed to anything in NATO today....and if that response was not very much if nothing at all...then why would they feel the need to consult/ collaborate...

Just another seat we don't have at the grown ups table...