CdnFox Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Now I know that you obviously know nothing about the military. Let alone the F35 program. Except for the fact that I'm right you're wrong Quote "Yes, Canada has contributed to the development of the F-35 Lightning II through its long-standing partnership in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program Exactly. You just proved my point perfectly. We contributed money to its development and that gave us the right to purchase. But it absolutely did not commit us. No decision was made at that time, we absolutely had not placed an order at that point So when you say the decision was made that is absolutely a lie. No decision at all was made other than we would put up 10 million dollars towards the development which would give us the right to purchase later if we chose to And everybody just realized you've been lying all along about having served in the military. Literally everybody who's been around at all understands this. They understand that no purchase agreement was made and that both harper and Trudeau considered other choices and had not committed to purchasing any aircraft That was a severely hard fail on your part 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 49 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Except for the fact that I'm right you're wrong Exactly. You just proved my point perfectly. We contributed money to its development and that gave us the right to purchase. But it absolutely did not commit us. No decision was made at that time, we absolutely had not placed an order at that point So when you say the decision was made that is absolutely a lie. No decision at all was made other than we would put up 10 million dollars towards the development which would give us the right to purchase later if we chose to And everybody just realized you've been lying all along about having served in the military. Literally everybody who's been around at all understands this. They understand that no purchase agreement was made and that both harper and Trudeau considered other choices and had not committed to purchasing any aircraft That was a severely hard fail on your part You fail ...again ...LOSER!!!! What are you trying to argue??? We will get the F35...every Military Air Force person knows that. If you think spending over $900 million over the years is not a commitment then, well, you are foolish. If you think there will be 2 fleets, then you are beyond comprehension foolish LOL "Canada has entered into a contract to purchase F-35 fighter jets, but the total scope of the acquisition is currently under review due to trade and political tensions. Here are the key details as of early 2026: Initial Contract (Confirmed): Canada has officially signed a contract to buy 16 F-35s. Deliveries: These first 16 jets are scheduled to begin delivery in 2026, with deliveries continuing until 2030. Total Order (Under Review): While the original plan was to purchase a total of 88 F-35s, the government is currently reviewing the purchase of the remaining 72 jets. Current Status: Despite the review, Canada has started to make payments for an additional 14 F-35s (bringing the known, paid-for total to 30) to ensure its spot in the production line. Edited March 2 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Army Guy Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 7 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Stop with the bullshit. You have no idea what Carney’s investments are. Furthermore, Carney’s assets are in a blind trust so he doesn’t know either. There’s ZERO evidence Carney has made any decisions based on personal profit. Meanwhile your hero Trump is on the take like no western leader in history openly taking bribes in plain sight and you don’t say a peep you shameless tool. Most of Carneys investments were public knowledge prior to him getting elected...blind trust means he SHOULD have no further involvement in add or subtracting his investments...and some how these politicians seem to get richer upon their retirement... unless your saying he sold all his shares in Brookfield.. So stop all the foolishness about it is all in trust and he does not know what is in there...You also have zero evidence that it did not happen, we all hope it does not happen but he is one of the most powerful men in the country... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: You fail ...again ...LOSER!!!! Except i'm right and you're wrong LOLOL ANd you've completely exposed yourself now by not understanding how procurement works. You claimed to be a part of procurement for the military and that is a lie, Quote What are you trying to argue??? The facts and the truth. You seem opposed. You claimed that canada made it's decision to buy these planes in the 9O'S. Your words: " The decision had been made when we started paying over $10 million per year for the F35 development back in 1997." This was in response to a post noting they're deciding now if they should buy the planes. I pointed out that this was entirely wrong. we did not make a decision to buy the planes back then at all. That investment simply gave us the right to at a later date. You have argued that is false.... then posted proof that it's 100 percent true. Which is typical for you We absolutely did not make a decision to buy those planes back in 1997. In fact we had not made a decision to purchase them by 2007 or even 2017. So what you said is a lie and you seem to be misunderstanding how procurement works, agreeing to put money into development in exchange for the right to purchase the planes later on if we want is not the same as placing an order for the planes or making the final decision You've embarrassed yourself. And proven what we've been saying about you all along 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
ExFlyer Posted March 2 Report Posted March 2 (edited) 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: Except i'm right and you're wrong LOLOL ANd you've completely exposed yourself now by not understanding how procurement works. You claimed to be a part of procurement for the military and that is a lie, The facts and the truth. You seem opposed. You claimed that canada made it's decision to buy these planes in the 9O'S. Your words: " The decision had been made when we started paying over $10 million per year for the F35 development back in 1997." This was in response to a post noting they're deciding now if they should buy the planes. I pointed out that this was entirely wrong. we did not make a decision to buy the planes back then at all. That investment simply gave us the right to at a later date. You have argued that is false.... then posted proof that it's 100 percent true. Which is typical for you We absolutely did not make a decision to buy those planes back in 1997. In fact we had not made a decision to purchase them by 2007 or even 2017. So what you said is a lie and you seem to be misunderstanding how procurement works, agreeing to put money into development in exchange for the right to purchase the planes later on if we want is not the same as placing an order for the planes or making the final decision You've embarrassed yourself. And proven what we've been saying about you all along All that nonsense to only prove you are a LOSER!! Clearly you know nothing about the F35 program, its development and procurement. Just a LOSER proving he is a LOSER Wait for it...we paid over $900 million for development and we will get F35' Edited March 2 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
CdnFox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: All that nonsense to only prove you are a LOSER!! It's simple truth that everyone can see. You exposed yourself kiddo, and now everyone knows. 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Clearly you know nothing about the F35 program, its development and procurement. Except i was right and you were wrong. Which would be fine but you were supposed to be the expert. You're a complete fraud and now everyone can look and see it. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
I am Groot Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 (edited) 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: There’s a lot of misinformation in this post unfortunately. Seem this Lee Humphrey guy is just a random social media troll with Liberal derangement syndrome It's best not to assume people are operating from ill intent without evidence of that fact. 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: the MQ 9 contract was awarded in December 2023 way too late for a 2025 delivery which is actually 2028 not “mid 2030s” Probably got the 2025 date from google AI AI Overview Original Plan: Initial delivery was originally expected around 2025. Current Timeline: The Department of National Defence (DND) delayed this to 2028 due to the need for modifications to allow the drones to operate in the Arctic, with full operational capability expected by 2033. Current Status: Production has begun, with the first two drones currently in production in San Diego and expected to start tests in 2026, leading to the 2028 delivery. CBC +4 The delay to 2028 was confirmed by the DND in late 2023,, largely driven by the requirement to integrate specialized sensors (WESCAM MX-20) and adapt the drones for high-latitude, cold-weather operations. 12 hours ago, BeaverFever said: There is ZERO evidence Carney and Telesat CEO have an unusually close relationship or that the recent contract for a sovereign Canadian military satellite constellation- which has been on the wish list for YEARS - is in any way inappropriate This is PURE innuendo fake controversy https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-as-mark-carney-takes-up-pm-advisor-job-his-company-solicits-ottawa-for-10-billion Edited March 3 by I am Groot Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
I am Groot Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 15 hours ago, BeaverFever said: Not true we ordered MQ9 Skyguardian drones with munitions in 2023 and delivery of the first one is coming up. There are several drone projects underway with the army and navy. It’s actually a bit of a goldrush environment right now with all the money being handed out for drone and counter-drone tech. But yes we are playing catch up and still have a way to go. I had not heard of this, and I'm happy to see it. But I'm not sure how effective these expensive, long-duration drones are going to be vs the emerging threat of masses of cheap suicide drones that are flying back and forth in Ukraine, and which are apparently in the arsenals of dozens of countries. Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 9 hours ago, Army Guy said: Most of Carneys investments were public knowledge prior to him getting elected...blind trust means he SHOULD have no further involvement in add or subtracting his investments...and some how these politicians seem to get richer upon their retirement... unless your saying he sold all his shares in Brookfield.. So stop all the foolishness about it is all in trust and he does not know what is in there...You also have zero evidence that it did not happen, we all hope it does not happen but he is one of the most powerful men in the country... You don’t get to make up accusations amd rhen say “you have zero evidence it didn’t happen” that’s not how it works Also we’re not talking about Brookfield we’re talking about the ridiculous claim that he has some vested interest in Lockheed Martin specifically because it was one of the hundreds of stock that his investment manager had put in his portfolio in the past even though carney would not know if it’s there because now it’s in a blind trust And another thing: there is absolutely nothing unique or unusual or inappropriate about Carney owning stocks Most if not all of your favourite politicians own stocks too In fact given Carney’s impeccable reputation and resume which includes being lauded by Stephen Harper who still considers him a friend, Carney is probably the LEAST likeliest person to make inappropriate decisions for personal gain 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: I had not heard of this, Really ? the tweet you copy-pasted from that Humphrey character was talking about it. 1 hour ago, I am Groot said: But I'm not sure how effective these expensive, long-duration drones are going to be vs the emerging threat of masses of cheap suicide drones that are flying back and forth in Ukraine, and which are apparently in the arsenals of dozens of countries. They’re working on it Still no ETA on a delivery date or final product though Drone army: New initiative to accelerate small uncrewed systems … In September, Army commander Lieutenant-General Michael Wright officially launched the Minerva Initiative, a capability development program focused on integrating drones and autonomous systems into land force operations. It’s not a procurement project in the traditional sense, explained Lieutenant-Colonel Cory Durant, the initiative’s chief planner with the Directorate of Land Requirements (DLR), but rather a comprehensive approach to “rapidly move the Army towards the adoption of small-form uncrewed systems.” … https://canadianarmytoday.com/drone-army-new-initiative-to-accelerate-small-uncrewed-systems/ As for now, The troops in Latvia have Switchblade Kamikazes, or at least they have already been ordered, not sure if they’re delivered yet. 1 Quote
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 21 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: You don’t get to make up accusations amd rhen say “you have zero evidence it didn’t happen” that’s not how it works Well, you make up crap and then just run away. 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 4 minutes ago, User said: Well, you make up crap and then just run away. What did I make up? Quote
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 5 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: What did I make up? This was your latest cowardly hit and run: 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: It's best not to assume people are operating from ill intent without evidence of that fact. I googled him, he’s got a whole bunch of liberal derangement syndrome tweets 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: Probably got the 2025 date from google AI AI Overview Original Plan: Initial delivery was originally expected around 2025. Current Timeline: The Department of National Defence (DND) delayed this to 2028 due to the need for modifications to allow the drones to operate in the Arctic, with full operational capability expected by 2033. Current Status: Production has begun, with the first two drones currently in production in San Diego and expected to start tests in 2026, leading to the 2028 delivery. CBC +4 The delay to 2028 was confirmed by the DND in late 2023,, largely driven by the requirement to integrate specialized sensors (WESCAM MX-20) and adapt the drones for high-latitude, cold-weather operations. I don’t know where the 2025 date comes from, maybe some earlier unfunded wish list. But when the contract was actually issued in December 2023, 2028 was the date for initial delivery due to rhe canadianization which is totally normal. 2 hours ago, I am Groot said: 15 hours ago, BeaverFever said: https://nationalpost.com/opinion/first-reading-as-mark-carney-takes-up-pm-advisor-job-his-company-solicits-ottawa-for-10-billion Nowhere does it say their relationship is inappropriate or unusual or that there is anything unusual about the LOAN. Telesat is both a world leader and the only Canadian option. As to the article, Brookfield still hasn’t gotten any money and thw article gives away that it was the government, not Brookfield who called for investment firms pension funds etc to invest more in Canada which is something I think most people support. Is there anyone who DOESNT think investors should invest in Canada? 1 Quote
BeaverFever Posted March 3 Author Report Posted March 3 14 minutes ago, User said: This was your latest cowardly hit and run: I stand by it. The reason given for attacking Venezuela was “narco terrorists” who were deliberately killing Americans by trafficking cocaine to US soil. So for anyone to claim it was never about cocaine now is hilarious. And that’s the only drug that transited through Venezuela, not fentanyl, not heroine not crystal meth. 1 Quote
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 43 minutes ago, BeaverFever said: I stand by it. The reason given for attacking Venezuela was “narco terrorists” who were deliberately killing Americans by trafficking cocaine to US soil. So for anyone to claim it was never about cocaine now is hilarious. And that’s the only drug that transited through Venezuela, not fentanyl, not heroine not crystal meth. I love how you play dumb now about your made up claim about the amounts and you are still wrong about it being specifically about cocaine. Now you make up another lie about attacking Venezuela… Now run away like you usually do. 1 Quote
ExFlyer Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 10 hours ago, CdnFox said: It's simple truth that everyone can see. You exposed yourself kiddo, and now everyone knows. Except i was right and you were wrong. Which would be fine but you were supposed to be the expert. You're a complete fraud and now everyone can look and see it. No matter how hard you try to twist things, you are and always will be a LOSER Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Moonbox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 11 hours ago, User said: I love how you play dumb now about your made up claim about the amounts and you are still wrong about it being specifically about cocaine. Now you make up another lie about attacking Venezuela… Now run away like you usually do. Wow a two-for one! User is doing his usual "you runNinG awAY From Me!" AND "YoU arE LYing!" all in two lines. That's efficiency! 🤡 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Wow a two-for one! User is doing his usual "you runNinG awAY From Me!" AND "YoU arE LYing!" all in two lines. That's efficiency! 🤡 Well… he did run away and he did lie. You can’t focus on the facts so you try to mock me for calling this crap out. 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 7 minutes ago, User said: Well… he did run away and he did lie. You can’t focus on the facts so you try to mock me for calling this crap out. You're not calling anything out. You're acting out a compulsion. It's a ~90% probability that you will accuse anyone/everyone you debate with of lying within the first 2-3 posts. It's unhinged behavior that eliminates any opportunity for good faith debate from the start, so when people stop responding to you...that's because they're running away? Last word wins, right!? 🤡 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 21 minutes ago, Moonbox said: You're not calling anything out. You're acting out a compulsion. It's a ~90% probability that you will accuse anyone/everyone you debate with of lying within the first 2-3 posts. It's unhinged behavior that eliminates any opportunity for good faith debate from the start, so when people stop responding to you...that's because they're running away? Last word wins, right!? 🤡 If you go back and look at any engagements here, they do start off in beyond good faith, but folks like you on the left don’t care and I’ve been here long enough now and dealt with you long enough now to just cut to the chase. Yes, a handful of you are liars, are cowards, and do run away or outright hide like the cowards you are. The fact that there are so many of you leftists who act this way is on you. 1 Quote
Army Guy Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 14 hours ago, BeaverFever said: You don’t get to make up accusations amd rhen say “you have zero evidence it didn’t happen” that’s not how it works Also we’re not talking about Brookfield we’re talking about the ridiculous claim that he has some vested interest in Lockheed Martin specifically because it was one of the hundreds of stock that his investment manager had put in his portfolio in the past even though carney would not know if it’s there because now it’s in a blind trust And another thing: there is absolutely nothing unique or unusual or inappropriate about Carney owning stocks Most if not all of your favourite politicians own stocks too In fact given Carney’s impeccable reputation and resume which includes being lauded by Stephen Harper who still considers him a friend, Carney is probably the LEAST likeliest person to make inappropriate decisions for personal gain I get it only liberals can make those accusations.... And somehow these politicians are richer after they retire, than when they went in, and on a PM salary come on...maybe they should have put everything in a blind trust on day one certain do much better... I don't think his reputation is impeccable...and his resume is not all that impressive, there are many people out there that don't agree with your assessment those that had close ties to him in his impeccable jobs... Why is he the least likeliest, because you say so...sorry... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonbox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Army Guy said: I get it only liberals can make those accusations.... The point of contention is that you are asking someone to prove something didn't happen. That's silly. The burden of proof is almost always on the affirmative claim. If you are claiming something happened, you have to show evidence of it. Demanding evidence that it didn't happen is nonsensical - like asking people to disprove that aliens exist. It's impossible. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Moonbox Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, User said: If you go back and look at any engagements here, they do start off in beyond good faith, but folks like you on the left don’t care and I’ve been here long enough now and dealt with you long enough now to just cut to the chase. If I go back and look at your engagments, it's you firing off about lying within the first couple of comments +90% of the time. It's bad-faith right out of the gate. 1 hour ago, User said: Yes, a handful of you are liars, are cowards, and do run away or outright hide like the cowards you are. That "handful" is almost literally anyone who disagrees with you, and the thousands and thousands of accusations of lying you've tossed about this forum no longer hold any meaning whatsoever. That you think people are afraid of you is comical. You're just another noisy MAGA baboon. 2 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
User Posted March 3 Report Posted March 3 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: If I go back and look at your engagments, it's you firing off about lying within the first couple of comments +90% of the time. It's bad-faith right out of the gate. That "handful" is almost literally anyone who disagrees with you, and the thousands and thousands of accusations of lying you've tossed about this forum no longer hold any meaning whatsoever. That you think people are afraid of you is comical. You're just another noisy MAGA baboon. Come back when you can discuss specifics. You can’t win on the facts, so this is your usual stupidity. 2 Quote
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