Canadian Defence News

[ExFlyer]

10 hours ago, CdnFox said:

well at least you're not posting ass porn i guess..... 

OMG.... Move on LOSER!!!!

Get yourself out of long over events....

Take your pettiness elsewhere!  This was and is a good thread without you phkin it up.

Edited February 13 by ExFlyer

[Army Guy]

On 2/11/2026 at 1:42 PM, TreeBeard said:

This is what we have to look forward to if we stick with F35s…

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/us_delivers_new_f_35_fighters_without_radars_due_to_upgrade_delays_mounting_issues-17449.html
 

1/2 the jets can’t even fly!  😂   I bet the Gripon can at least fly! 

This problem will be long fixed by the time ours are delivered...it's a non issue.

[Goddess]

Announced today: 

The Carney government is opening up a new immigration pathway - they're going to fast-track "foreign military applicants".

Some would say that disarming citizens while building a foreign military of people who won't think twice about firing on unarmed civilians, might turn out to be....problematic.

Historians would point out that a foreign mercenary army is generally the last stage of empire.

I wonder what the US will think when 150,000 Chinese come to bolster the Canadian military?

(It does explain the recent sightings of Chinese with automatic weapons in northern Alberta.....)

 

[I am Groot]

The bureaucracy of purchasing for the military got even more complex when Carney, instead of trying to reform existing agencies, simply added another. How much of our money for 'defense' gets eaten up by all these bureacrats who accomplish mostly nothing?

Carney’s strategy in making sure this actually gets done is a familiar one: create a new agency (in this case, the Defence Investment Agency) headed by a suit (investment banker Doug Guzman) whose job it will be to streamline processes and deliver results. That’s in addition to the existing entities charged with the work of defence (the Department of National Defence), subsidizing defence (the Department of Innovation, Science and Economic Development) and purchasing the tools necessary for defence (Public Services and Procurement Canada).

In addition to those, columnist Tasha Kheiriddin pointed out earlier this week, within the federal ecosystem are also the Defence Advisory Forum, the Science and Research Defence Advisory Council, BOREALIS (the Bureau of Research, Engineering and Advanced Leadership in Innovation and Science), the Canadian Defence Industry Resilience Program and the Northern Operational Support Hubs Program.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/np-view-carneys-defence-plan-puts-bureaucracy-first

Edited February 22 by I am Groot

[I am Groot]

Just how bad are NATO's armies? Well, the central ones are pretty godam bad.

Given the relative sizes of their economies, one might conclude that Russia would quake before the military might of Europe’s Nato members. Russia, the ninth-largest economy in the world, is up against the third, sixth, seventh and eighth in the shape of Germany, Britain, France and Italy.
 

Yet the reality is that, militarily, it is the other way around. Russia has the world’s second-strongest military, while France comes sixth, UK eighth, Italy tenth and Germany 12th. To put a few figures on it, Russia has 1.32 million active service personnel, 560 fighter aircraft and 3,941 tanks ready for deployment. For Britain, the corresponding figures are 141,000, 67 and 187; for France 264,000, 178 and 342; and Italy 165,000, 62 and 142.

 

As for Canada, it ranks a lowly 28th, despite being a G7 nation with the world’s tenth-largest economy. It has 63,000 troops, 50 fighter aircraft and 56 tanks – all to defend a landmass that is larger than that of the US. Looked at from a military perspective, it is not hard to see why Donald Trump is considering incorporating Canada into the US. After all, Canada’s vast Arctic frontier is virtually a demilitarised zone.

https://archive.is/VxHUx

[I am Groot]

From Lee Humphrey

Yes, Canada signed a sole source contract to buy armed reaper drones to patrol the Arctic with first deliveries scheduled for 2025, that was good.

Unfortunately, before the ink was dry the RCAF decided to Canadianize them & delivery is now heavily delayed (mid 2030’s) & the reapers will still require a complete overhaul within 5 years of delivery…let me explain.

The RCAF decided that they needed a CDN IR (infrared) sensor installed. Fortunately the one they selected had already been used on other reapers so no problem right?

Of course, the RCAF decided to use a variant that could talk to our new maritime patrol aircraft that will arrive (thanks to another US sole source contract, sorry team Elbows Up) in the mid 2030’s which all sounds very smart forward thinking but & here’s the crazy part. All of this tech relies on US military satellites, but since Canada now wants to have dual satellite systems (USM system for NORAD) they have given a sole source contract to Telesat (whose CEO is besties with Carney). They are hoping to get enough satellites into orbit by 2040 to allow the CAF to use both CDN & USM satellites for their communications needs - depending on whether the drone, F35 or maritime patrol aircraft are on NORAD or non NORAD missions.

Of course this has never been done before & will require more tech be added to the reapers hence the complex overhaul, all based on a satellite company who despite massive subsidies from the CDN gov over the last 10 years has barely managed (thanks to SpaceX) to get a few test satellites into low earth orbit for their satellite internet service & have never built, launched or managed secure military grade satellites.

Only the @liberal_party gov could turn a simple $2.5 billion dollar contract with quick delivery of a proven armed drone system into a never-ending boondoggle that will end up costing at least 400% more than the original purchase price & delay full operational capability for a decade plus!

[Goddess]

@Army Guy

 

 

This was the second video Northern Perspective did for the young man.  Made me cry 😭

Edited February 27 by Goddess

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

@Army Guy

 

 

This was the second video Northern Perspective did for the young man.  Made me cry 😭

It is sad to see a very young man life end like that....My son is serving in Latvia right now, and things are pretty tight lipped about the circumstances over his death....It is one of the disadvantages of serving it is a very dangerous job, and can be very physically / mentally distressing.  

[I am Groot]

Reading about fighting in the DRC at the moment, where it talks about drone strikes hitting rebel-held areas.

In Africa. Africans are using drones. Azerbaijan defeated Albania years ago using drones. Armed drones are spreading out around the world.

Except here. Canada has precisely ZERO armed drones and no plans to acquire any in the near future.

We did put in an order for Reaper drones as I mentioned above, but with all the changes, we want it will be at least a decade before we get any. That's how far behind Canada is. Behind Africans and places like Turkey and Azerbaijan. At least 48 countries now have armed drones.

Canada has none and no defenses against them. And the urgency to do anything, this seems to me to be something like a 3 or 4 on a scale of 1-100. 

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

My son is serving in Latvia right now,

I'll be praying for your son's safety.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

Canada has none and no defenses against them. And the urgency to do anything, this seems to me to be something like a 3 or 4 on a scale of 1-100. 

But we are #1 in the world for the last 11 years at funding transgender rice and bean farmers all over the world and that's far more important.

Why can't you appreciate all the things the Liberals have done for you?  Is it because you are a racist?

[ironstone]

On 2/11/2026 at 12:42 PM, TreeBeard said:

This is what we have to look forward to if we stick with F35s…

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/us_delivers_new_f_35_fighters_without_radars_due_to_upgrade_delays_mounting_issues-17449.html
 

1/2 the jets can’t even fly!  😂   I bet the Gripon can at least fly! 

Yet again, F35's have performed very well in the recent operations against Iran. It's clearly a very capable aircraft. Stealth is a huge asset.

I'm no expert on aviation matters, but based on what I've read, the F35 is the better plane.  And Mark Carney has shares in Lockheed Martin.....

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, ironstone said:

I'm no expert on aviation matters, but based on what I've read, the F35 is the better plane.  And Mark Carney has shares in Lockheed Martin.....

Of those two points, which do you think will be a bigger factor in him deciding which planes we purchase?

[ironstone]

26 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Of those two points, which do you think will be a bigger factor in him deciding which planes we purchase?

When it comes to politics, I'm a cynic so I believe the most important factor is Carney's shares. 

And the same goes for all those other companies that are tied to Liberal(Carney) policies, nuclear reactors, heat pumps, EV charging stations, carbon capture, and god knows what else.

[BeaverFever]

17 hours ago, ironstone said:

Yet again, F35's have performed very well in the recent operations against Iran. It's clearly a very capable aircraft. Stealth is a huge asset.

I'm no expert on aviation matters, but based on what I've read, the F35 is the better plane.  And Mark Carney has shares in Lockheed Martin.....

Stop with the bullshit. You have no idea what Carney’s investments are. Furthermore, Carney’s assets are in a blind trust so he doesn’t know either. There’s ZERO evidence Carney has made any decisions based on personal profit. 
 

Meanwhile your hero Trump is on the take like no western leader in history openly taking bribes in plain sight and you don’t say a peep you shameless tool. 

Edited March 2 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

On 2/27/2026 at 12:15 PM, I am Groot said:

Except here. Canada has precisely ZERO armed drones and no plans to acquire any in the near future.

Not true we ordered MQ9 Skyguardian drones with munitions in 2023 and delivery of the first one is coming up. 
 

There are several drone projects underway with the army and navy. It’s actually a bit of a goldrush environment right now with all the money being handed out for drone and counter-drone tech.
 

But yes we are playing catch up and still have a way to go. 

[ExFlyer]

17 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Of those two points, which do you think will be a bigger factor in him deciding which planes we purchase?

The decision had been made when we started paying over $10 million per year for the F35 development back in 1997.

[ironstone]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Stop with the bullshit. You have no idea what Carney’s investments are. Furthermore, Carney’s assets are in a blind trust so he doesn’t know either. There’s ZERO evidence Carney has made any decisions based on personal profit. 

I'm just going by this list which has been put out by the Canadian government.

https://prciec-rpccie.parl.gc.ca/Lists/Declarations/Attachments/43657/Appendix Summary Statement - Annexe Declaration Sommaire.pdf

You might want to take a look at it. If I am able to see what companies Carney has shares in....so can Mark Carney.

(Lockheed Martin is listed on page 10)

Edited March 2 by ironstone

[John Stone]

............... ok ......... Canada's military needs ships, submarines, a/c, armor, training, personnel, personnel, leadership........ but lets start with drones and winter parkas................. the journey of a million miles begins with a single step.  

[BeaverFever]

On 2/24/2026 at 11:06 PM, I am Groot said:

From Lee Humphrey

Yes, Canada signed a sole source contract to buy armed reaper drones to patrol the Arctic with first deliveries scheduled for 2025, that was good.

Unfortunately, before the ink was dry the RCAF decided to Canadianize them & delivery is now heavily delayed (mid 2030’s) & the reapers will still require a complete overhaul within 5 years of delivery…let me explain.

The RCAF decided that they needed a CDN IR (infrared) sensor installed. Fortunately the one they selected had already been used on other reapers so no problem right?

Of course, the RCAF decided to use a variant that could talk to our new maritime patrol aircraft that will arrive (thanks to another US sole source contract, sorry team Elbows Up) in the mid 2030’s which all sounds very smart forward thinking but & here’s the crazy part. All of this tech relies on US military satellites, but since Canada now wants to have dual satellite systems (USM system for NORAD) they have given a sole source contract to Telesat (whose CEO is besties with Carney). They are hoping to get enough satellites into orbit by 2040 to allow the CAF to use both CDN & USM satellites for their communications needs - depending on whether the drone, F35 or maritime patrol aircraft are on NORAD or non NORAD missions.

Of course this has never been done before & will require more tech be added to the reapers hence the complex overhaul, all based on a satellite company who despite massive subsidies from the CDN gov over the last 10 years has barely managed (thanks to SpaceX) to get a few test satellites into low earth orbit for their satellite internet service & have never built, launched or managed secure military grade satellites.

Only the @liberal_party gov could turn a simple $2.5 billion dollar contract with quick delivery of a proven armed drone system into a never-ending boondoggle that will end up costing at least 400% more than the original purchase price & delay full operational capability for a decade plus!

There’s a lot of misinformation in this post unfortunately. Seem this Lee Humphrey guy is just a random social media troll with Liberal derangement syndrome   But suffice to say he deliberately or unintentionally mixes up things that happened in different time frames. Specifically:

 the P8 contract was awarded in 2022 long before Trump 2.0 and elbows up

 the MQ 9 contract was awarded in December 2023 way too late for a 2025 delivery which is actually 2028 not “mid 2030s”

the Canadian modifications are necessary for extended high arctic operations   Customization to the client is normal and standard for any foreign military sales

There is ZERO evidence Carney and Telesat CEO have an unusually close relationship or that the recent contract for a sovereign Canadian military satellite constellation- which has been on the wish list for YEARS  - is in any way inappropriate  This is PURE innuendo fake controversy 

Dual satcom functionality is VERY COMMON not “never done before” I have not seen anything to suggest that the added satcom network for Canada capability would be a “major overhaul”

TELESAT has been a recognized world leader in satellite technology for decades period. It did not “barely manage thanks to space-x”   Telesat simply revised their Lightspeed constellation plans after starlink’s disruption. and FWIW Space-x doesn’t build military grade satellites either  Its Starlink constellation is commercial grade and was later adapted for military ise after Russia invaded Ukraine  

This guy is just your typical Canadian MAGA troll and propagandist, not an authority of any kind, sorry  

 

[ironstone]

54 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

There’s a lot of misinformation in this post unfortunately. Seem this Lee Humphrey guy is just a random social media troll with Liberal derangement syndrome   But suffice to say he deliberately or unintentionally mixes up things that happened in different time frames. Specifically:

 the P8 contract was awarded in 2022 long before Trump 2.0 and elbows up

 the MQ 9 contract was awarded in December 2023 way too late for a 2025 delivery which is actually 2028 not “mid 2030s”

the Canadian modifications are necessary for extended high arctic operations   Customization to the client is normal and standard for any foreign military sales

There is ZERO evidence Carney and Telesat CEO have an unusually close relationship or that the recent contract for a sovereign Canadian military satellite constellation- which has been on the wish list for YEARS  - is in any way inappropriate  This is PURE innuendo fake controversy 

Dual satcom functionality is VERY COMMON not “never done before” I have not seen anything to suggest that the added satcom network for Canada capability would be a “major overhaul”

TELESAT has been a recognized world leader in satellite technology for decades period. It did not “barely manage thanks to space-x”   Telesat simply revised their Lightspeed constellation plans after starlink’s disruption. and FWIW Space-x doesn’t build military grade satellites either  Its Starlink constellation is commercial grade and was later adapted for military ise after Russia invaded Ukraine  

This guy is just your typical Canadian MAGA troll and propagandist, not an authority of any kind, sorry  

 

Did you check out the 'Carney-conflict of interest' link yet? 🤨

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, ironstone said:

I'm just going by this list which has been put out by the Canadian government.

https://prciec-rpccie.parl.gc.ca/Lists/Declarations/Attachments/43657/Appendix Summary Statement - Annexe Declaration Sommaire.pdf

You might want to take a look at it. If I am able to see what companies Carney has shares in....so can Mark Carney.

(Lockheed Martin is listed on page 10)

First of all that was a list of the assets had BEFORE they were sold and put in a blind trust.  

Second of all as you can see its a very long list of basically every company.  There are literally hundreds of them on there in every economic sector including Lockheed Martin’s competitors so it’s ridiculous to suggest he has a vested special interest in just that one company 

Thirdly Carney like most wealthy people used third party wealth management firms who regularly select and trade investments on their clients. 
 

You are a prime example of MAGA self-educated Dunning-Kruegers who don’t know wtf they’re talking about 

[ironstone]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

First of all that was a list of the assets had BEFORE they were sold and put in a blind trust.  

Second of all as you can see its a very long list of basically every company.  There are literally hundreds of them on there in every economic sector including Lockheed Martin’s competitors so it’s ridiculous to suggest he has a vested special interest in just that one company 

Thirdly Carney like most wealthy people used third party wealth management firms who regularly select and trade investments on their clients. 
 

You are a prime example of MAGA self-educated Dunning-Kruegers who don’t know wtf they’re talking about 

Carney’s Wealth Tests the Limits of Canada’s Ethics Laws

Our conflict-of-interest rules are no match for a prime minister this financially entangled

In theory, Carney can neither know nor direct how his assets are being managed while he remains in office. And an ethics screen bars him from participating in policy decisions affecting firms he’s been associated with, such as Stripe, the multi-billion-dollar fintech giant on whose board he once sat.

These safeguards don’t go nearly far enough, counters Conacher. Even as the ethics commissioner, who answers to Parliament, is ultimately in charge of compliance, the day-to-day work of actually policing the ethics screen falls to an official appointed by the prime minister himself. And the blind trust is scarcely blind, as Carney is very aware of his initial holdings. “He knows what stocks he put in it,” said Conacher in a statement posted on the Democracy Watch website last year, “including stock options he will definitely own for years.”

And while the ethics commissioner must approve the trustee, the arrangement still leaves Carney with significant influence over the trust’s design, including the choice of trustee and any instructions they receive. “And the trustee is allowed to give regular updates,” Conacher told The Walrus, such as on the trust’s overall net worth, and any gains or losses.

More alarming, Conacher says, is how little of the blind trust is visible. A public registry allows Canadians to see that assets exist and how they are classified—not what they are. If the prime minister’s policy choices are working to his advantage, there’s no way to know.

To sum up: our system, meant to prevent conflicts, concentrates oversight in officials ultimately tied to the prime minister, while leaving him informed about—and influential over—assets he is supposed to be insulated from.

https://thewalrus.ca/carney-wealth-brookfield/

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The decision had been made when we started paying over $10 million per year for the F35 development back in 1997.

Now I know you've never served in the military. Decision was absolutely not made back then. And when it comes to aircraft procurement $10 million is nothing. Got payment was not for the purchase of aircraft, it was basically buying into the right to buy aircraft on the road if we chose. It was closer to a club membership than it was a purchase contract

You obviously are not clear on how this works but indeed NO decision was made at that time other than it bought us the right to make a decision down the road if we wanted. 

[ExFlyer]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Now I know you've never served in the military. Decision was absolutely not made back then. And when it comes to aircraft procurement $10 million is nothing. Got payment was not for the purchase of aircraft, it was basically buying into the right to buy aircraft on the road if we chose. It was closer to a club membership than it was a purchase contract

You obviously are not clear on how this works but indeed NO decision was made at that time other than it bought us the right to make a decision down the road if we wanted. 

Now I know that you obviously know nothing about the military. Let alone the F35 program.

"Yes, Canada has contributed to the development of the F-35 Lightning II through its long-standing partnership in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program

, investing over US$712 million (approximately CAD$955 million) toward development, production, and sustainment as of May 2022. 

Here are the key details regarding Canada's financial involvement:

• Development Investment: Canada has been a partner in the F-35 program since 1997, contributing funds to the "Concept Demonstration" phase and later, in 2002, to the "System Development and Demonstration" phase.
• Total Contributions: As of the end of 2022, Canada’s contributions to the Joint Strike Fighter Program MOU (Memorandum of Understanding) for development and sustainment totaled over US$700 million.
• Purpose of Investment: These payments allowed Canada to be an "informed partner" and permitted Canadian aerospace companies to compete for contracts within the JSF project, resulting in over US$3.5 billion in contracts awarded to Canadian firms since 1997.
• Final Procurement: While the Liberal government previously questioned the program, Canada officially finalized an agreement in January 2023 to purchase 88 F-35A fighter jets for a total acquisition cost of approximately $19 billion.
• Current Status: As of early 2026, Canada is continuing to make payments for the first 16 jets, with the first delivery expected in 2026. 

By remaining a partner, Canada has maintained its place in the global production line, ensuring Canadian industry continues to supply parts (such as horizontal tails and engine components) for the global F-35 fleet.

 

Check the facts before you make useless false accusation.

Edited March 2 by ExFlyer