CdnFox Posted December 3, 2025 Report Posted December 3, 2025 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Okay but don't forget Zionists started it by invading Palestine and murdering Arabs, British soldiers, even other Jews who got in their way. Zionists stayed which might explain the tit for tat warfare against them ever since. They didn't. That's just a lie that those who support the terrorist killing of innocent civilians and babies like to spout in order to justify they're completely immoral stance. There's no Tit for Tat. These guys are terrorist scum and you support them because you believe it's okay to kill women and children without warning in an act of terrorism. You have said so many times. It was their human right to do so you claimed. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
John Stone Posted December 3, 2025 Report Posted December 3, 2025 14 minutes ago, eyeball said: Why are you following statements with question marks? In any case... The Palestinian Partition plan was for the apparent benefit of Great Powers looking for something that put a moral shine on the fact they didn't want to put up any Jewish refugees themselves. It wasn't supposed to be governed that way at all according to the British, Palestinians or Zionists leading up to and following the Balfour Declaration. It was supposed to be two nations within one country known as Palestine. No, the Arab Israeli war followed the Zionist terrorist attack at Dier Yassin involving the murder, rape and humiliation of Arab hostages by parading them in the streets. This plus the expulsion of 700000 Palestinians to surrounding countries and declaration of one independent country and nation called Israel is what caused Arab countries to attack Israel. Not what you said. Following the 700000 that were forced out first by Zionist terrorists in April of 1948, a month before the events you're basing all your justifications for pretending Palestinians and Palestine never existed in the first place. Prove it. Palestinians were expelled or fled from their homes during the 1948 Palestine war, an event known as the Nakba (meaning "catastrophe"). The expulsion began in December 1947 and continued through waves of flight and expulsion into 1948 and beyond. Zionist paramilitary forces, which later merged into the Israel Defense Forces, carried out expulsions and attacks during this period. 1 Quote
WestCanMan Posted December 3, 2025 Report Posted December 3, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, eyeball said: Okay but don't forget Zionists started it by invading Palestine and murdering Arabs, British soldiers, even other Jews who got in their way. Zionists stayed which might explain the tit for tat warfare against them ever since. Who told you that? Do you honestly think that the whole history of Jews in the ME started in 1900? 😂 FYI the Jews were being driven from/slaughtered in countries all over the ME going back to the time of mohammed. The whole last 600 years before the British occupied Palestine the Jews existed as 4th-class citizens. And that was codified into law, not just the theoretical discrimination that some people claim to face in Canada. The version of "marginalized" that people claim to experience in Canada was a happy dream for Jews in the ME for 600 years. The "nakba" involved less than 500 murders. There were more than twice as many Jews slaughtered on Oct 7th as there were Palestinians slaughtered in "the nakba". Sure, during the war when Israel was re-created in 1948 there were tens of thosands of people killed, but those were 1) wartime deaths, 2) mostly military, 3) those casualties were inflicted by both sides, 4) most of the Palestinians killed were soldiers, not civilians. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War The 1948 Arab–Israeli War, also known as the First Arab–Israeli War, followed the civil war in Mandatory Palestine as the second and final stage of the 1948 Palestine war. The civil war became a war of separate states with the Israeli Declaration of Independence on 14 May 1948, the end of the British Mandate for Palestine at midnight, and the entry of a military coalition of Arab states [listed below] into the territory of Mandatory Palestine the following morning. The war formally ended with the 1949 Armistice Agreements which established the Green Line. Arab League: Egypt[3] All-Palestine Protectorate[a] Holy War Army[a] Transjordan[3] Iraq[3] Syria[3] Lebanon[b] Saudi Arabia[5] Yemen[6] Look at ^^^that list^^^ of countries that attacked Israel on the day they became a nation.... How many of them normalized relations with Pakistan on the first day of Pakistan's existence, when they were also created by British partition just 8 months earlier? And FYI the Pakistanis committed a slaughter on their first day that makes "the nakba" look like a mosquito bite. There was no coalition of foreign armies attacking Pakistan on that day either: the Pakistani civilian population was just evil enough to slaughter 700,000 people by hand. No bombs, they just killed all those people with gasoline, nooses, knives, swords, machetes, and guns. Your ridiculous theory of "the beginning of Arabic-Jewish hostilities" is so f'ing jam-packed with ignorance that you make Herbie look like a walking encyclopaedia. Edited December 3, 2025 by WestCanMan 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted December 3, 2025 Report Posted December 3, 2025 56 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It was their human right to do so you claimed. Naw your just full of shit as always. That's not what I said at all. 24 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Who told you that? It was predicted by Einstein based on his eyewitness account of Zionist behaviour in Palestine. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted December 3, 2025 Report Posted December 3, 2025 (edited) 28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Do you honestly think that the whole history of Jews in the ME started in 1900? 😂 Compared to people who act like this conflict started on Oct 7 just a couple of years ago? 🤣 Edited December 3, 2025 by eyeball Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Army Guy Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 Another F-35 vs Gripen comparison .This guy is much more articulate than i could ever be...for you doubters you should watch the video...It is rife with facts and figures that have not been discussed on this forum at all. And he makes some very surprising points.... In the end this is not about which aircraft is better, which has already been laid out in detail here...., but rather it is a political one, being used as a foot ball because of our tariff war with the US... more importantly with Trump....It also opens up why we are not running another competition , if we really want to teach those damn Yankees a lesson why not run another competition with the remaining European competitors...because it is not about finding the best Fighter that has never been the end goal, or so it seems.... the end goal is how much offsets will Canada be getting....how many votes are in all of this..Now that we are in the Euro military club, with access to bils in guaranteed loans why not pick a much better plane, throw our money at the Europeans...instead of Americans and buy a 4.5 generation fighter which will be replaced in less than 10 years... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
CdnFox Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 58 minutes ago, eyeball said: Naw your just full of shit as always. That's not what I said at all. It is 100% what you said. We were discussing the specific event and you said they were exercising their human rights to resist oppression with that attack. Those were literally your words, and not just once but few times when I came back and challenged you on that. Quote It was predicted by Einstein based on his eyewitness account of Zionist behaviour in Palestine. We've been through that and we know that that's a lie. Fact of the matter is the only people that use that defense are people that are excited and happy about the idea of killing women and children in terrorist attacks to promote the group that they prefer. It's not real 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
WestCanMan Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 2 hours ago, CdnFox said: They didn't. That's just a lie that those who support the terrorist killing of innocent civilians and babies like to spout in order to justify they're completely immoral stance. There's no Tit for Tat. These guys are terrorist scum and you support them because you believe it's okay to kill women and children without warning in an act of terrorism. You have said so many times. It was their human right to do so you claimed. More than twice as many civilians were killed on Oct 7th than were killed in "the naqba". Over 1,200 vs less than 500. Just a fact worth considering. 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
I am Groot Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Prove it. You made the statement. It's up to you to support it, not me to prove you're wrong. 3 hours ago, eyeball said: Palestinians were expelled or fled from their homes during the 1948 Palestine war, an event known as the Nakba (meaning "catastrophe"). Most of them fled during the war their own side initiated, urged to do so by Arab governments on the promise they would soon return after the land was purged of Jews. Yeah, some fled threats from various Jewish militia groups, but that they didn't return when the war ended was the responsibility of their own governments, which urged them not to do so. And by the way, a million Jews were forced out of their homes, shops, and farms by surrounding Arab governments at the same time, and I never see you Palestinian lovers ever mention that. Israel took them all in. Why didn't the Arab countries around Israel take in their people? Because they wanted to use them as a lever against Israel. 1 Quote "A civilization is not destroyed by wicked men; it is destroyed by weak men who cannot defend what is good.” — G. K. Chesterton
BeaverFever Posted December 4, 2025 Author Report Posted December 4, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, WestCanMan said: Does that really matter though? Keep in mind that's just Carney that's talking, and he's partly doing it from his own personal negative emotions. Also, does he even know any more about the military than PP, Trudeau, or E May? He's just a sleazy banker/politician and liar with no military experience or knowledge whatsoever. Doesn't it make sense that actual members of the military value their own opinions more than his? They've spent decades mastering their profession they have tens of thousands of hours of personal and even battlefield experience to rely on They've gone to bed at night and woke up in war zones relying on military equipment to keep them alive, and now they're supposed to listen to a guy who's just been sleeping on satin pillows for the last 40 years? If Mark Carney came to your work and started telling you what suppliers to use or who and how to hire, would you listen to him if it went against everything you know? America is closer to us in every way. Their factories are 5,000 miles from the nearest international border with a geopolitical adversary. Their industrial capacity is unmatched. Their technology is unmatched. Their weapons systems have been operating at the tip of the spear in all kinds of weather for decades and have the most time - by far - in the theatre of war proving their capabilities, reliability, etc than those of any other country. They update all of the various components of their military equipment regularly. The US is Mike Tyson. You know what to expect when he gets into the ring. If prime Mike Tyson fought "a guy with potential", who would you bet on? Look at the example of A10 Warthog as something that always looked like something that could be improved on. Maybe by something faster, with more stealth capability, or more whatever or whatever. "Something with more potential". But every time they think about using this or that instead, it doesn't have the loiter time, the armour, the firepower, it needs a longer runway, etc, etc, etc. People in the infantry and air force have a love affair with the A10 that a guy like Carney could never truly appreciate. No Carney isn’t doing it for his own personal emotions and he’s not sleazy either Hilarious that someone who would admire Trump , the epitome of personal and business sleaze would complain about it, much less randomly apply it to someone who is known to be the absolute opposite of sleaze. Words have meaning, you can’t call a near-freak a slob or a workaholic lazy just because you hate them and it’s an insult It’s also hilarious that you complain about his lack of military experience, unlike who, Poilievre? Harper? Draft dodging Trump and his fake bone spurs? Nobody has slept on more satin pillows than your hero Trump and yet you have no problem with him running the military. The military answers to the civilian government in every democratic country, it doesn’t get to make its own rules and it doesn’t get blank cheques. The US uses its military in different ways because their military resources are so vast, they have different doctrine and they place less emphasis on cold climate performance. Some examples; Canada usually requires vehicles and personnel to be more well-rounded and able to perform a variety of roles where the US would have different people or vehicles for each role and even sometimes prefers lower quality in order to have greater quantity (e.g. M-16 rifles). US military has bases and depots all over the world massive logistics operations whereas Canada has fewer of those and needs gear that can be shipped where needed on short notice including arctic. Unlike the US Army the Canadian Army is not going to be employed on the battlefield field in the same was as US troops US army prefers big heavy equipment and tracked vehicles and has entire fleets of transport trucks, rail cars etc to move them around the theatre and around the globe, Canada prefers lighter wheeled vehicles that can quickly roll/on rolloff and move at high road speed but are not suited for frontal assault against a peer threat in high intensity combat Canada needs SAR aircraft with long endurance for our vast wilderness and offshore territory, in the US military only Coast Guard does SAR, with little to no requirement for on-shore or arctic capability and they have bases all along the coast so range, and ability to operate in mountains or arctic etc are not heavily considered. So the fact that the US military is so large might actually be a reason why its equipment is NOT ideal for Canada compared to European militaries that play a risk more similar to one Canada would play especially northern countries like Sweden. As for factory location, nobody is bombing Europe it’s not really an issue. The European factories are actually closer to places in the world where we would deploy forces thou so maybe a savings on transportation if they go back there for service and repairs after a mission Besides Canada is looking for deals where vehicles and equipment are at least partially made in Canada wherever possible. Carney is no less able to understand the military than any of you conservative chickenhak heroes who have no more military knowledge In fact Carney seems to far more of a “details guy” who’s more likely to let the facts speak for themselves The A10 phase-out is well underway as its no longer survivable against a near-peer adversary. It would not be used today in a war against Russia or Iran. It’s more for use against the likes of ISIS or Taliban these days and since that type of threat is not yet zero and since replacing it with F-35s is expensive there are still some A10 squadrons remaining for now. Edited December 4, 2025 by BeaverFever Quote
eyeball Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Its 100% what you said. We were discussing the specific event and you said they were exercising their human rights to resist oppression with that attack. Nope. I didn't say that either. You're still spinning straw. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Those were literally your words Put them up or fùck off. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: We've been through that and we know that that's a lie. 3 hours ago, CdnFox said: Fact of the matter is the only people that use that defense are people that are excited and happy about the idea of killing women and children in terrorist attacks to promote the group that they prefer. It's not real This letter along with others Einstein wrote exist and can be found in a museum. To paraphrase, the only people who deny it are people that are excited and happy about the idea of killing women and children in terrorist attacks to promote the group that they prefer. No doubt following the Deir Yassin Massacre you would have cheered as Irgun and Lehi paraded their Palestinian captives thru the streets before executing them. 1 Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 24 minutes ago, eyeball said: Nope. I didn't say that either. You're still spinning straw. You did and I wasn't the only person to call you on it. And I certainly wasn't the only time you suggested but that attack was justified. Quote Put them up or fùck off. Ohh noooooeess, triggered leftie liar is triggered Sure, there are many, but here's one that was wrtten ONE YEAR AFTER what you quoted The Jews of Israel (1949) There is no problem of such overwhelming importance to us Jews as consolidating that which has been accomplished in Israel with amazing energy and an unequalled willingness for sacrifice. May the joy and admiration that fill us when we think of all that this small group of energetic and thoughtful people has achieved give us the strength to accept the great responsibility which the present situation has placed upon us. -Albert Einstein The fact is you took one small note and took it entirely out of context. Both before the creation of isreal and after he praised isreal and it's creation and the actions and the people involved. He regretted that the jews and arabs couldn't find a way to live in peace and he blamed the british for creating a hostile environment that put one against the other but he was pro isreal and did NOT believe that they had done anything wrong. You lose kid. You should learn to read more than just your echo chamber. Quote To paraphrase, the only people who deny it are people that are excited and happy about the idea of killing women and children in terrorist attacks to promote the group that they prefer. Exactly. anyone who denies what einstein REALLY said instead of taking him out of context is exactly that person. And that would be you. You are, as always, a liar and a terrorist supporter. You should feel disgusted. 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: You did and I wasn't the only person to call you on it. And I certainly wasn't the only time you suggested but that attack was justified. I said resistance to oppression is a human right and violence is inevitable when it goes on and on without end. I also said crimes against humanity and war crimes committed when resisting cannot be justified and should be prosecuted as such. You still haven't taken a single step towards acknowledging the oppression of Palestinians never mind the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed against them when oppressing them. 42 minutes ago, CdnFox said: He regretted that the jews and arabs couldn't find a way to live in peace and he blamed the british for creating a hostile environment that put one against the other but he was pro isreal and did NOT believe that they had done anything wrong. He compared the Zionist terrorists that committed atrocities at Deir Yassin to Nazis and Fascists. BTW thanks for acknowledging he blamed the British, which also means us, for creating a hostile environment that put one against the other. In the beginning Einstein also made it clear he supported a nation of Israel within Palestine. He eventually supported the state of Israel but no one is perfect I guess. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 3 hours ago, I am Groot said: You made the statement. It's up to you to support it, not me to prove you're wrong. You're saying the Deir Yassin Massacre never happened? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I said resistance to oppression is a human right Specifically directly in reference to the October attack. Repetitively. You weren't vague. Quote You still haven't taken a single step towards acknowledging the oppression of Palestinians never mind the war crimes and crimes against humanity committed against them when oppressing them. They're irrelevant. There is no excuse for the attack on civilians like that. Quote He compared the Zionist terrorists that committed atrocities at Deir Yassin to Nazis and Fascists. Nope. You're trying to twist what he said again. The quote i posted was the last of his letters on the subject. He was proud of isreal, he was proud of the isrealis and what they had done. In his perfect world palestians and jews would have been one country who respected each other but he didn't blame israel at all for the fact it didn't work out that way. You lose that one hard kid. Quote BTW thanks for acknowledging he blamed the British, which also means us, No. The british are not us. That's not how it works. Sorry kiddo. Further, he blamed the british for starting things off poorly. But he did not blame them for the ongoing issues, that was the choice of the israelis and the palestinians. The israelis offered peace many times. The Palestinians offered 'from the river to the sea' constantly. Your whole premise falls apart entirely when you look at what he actually said. You want to take snippets out of context and ignore the rest but that's not how it works, that's just more lies. He was proud of israel, he HOPED that one day the palestinians and the jews could live in harmony. But he did not anticipate the rampant barbarian hatred and fundimentally violent nature of the Palestinians. Their attack was 100 percent unjustified, there is no possible excuse for it, they COULD have chosen peace and prosperity decades ago and instead chose war and death, and that didn't work out for them. Edited December 4, 2025 by CdnFox 1 Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
WestCanMan Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 (edited) 16 hours ago, BeaverFever said: No Carney isn’t doing it for his own personal emotions and he’s not sleazy either Carney is against Trump because Trump treats him like a little doggy. Carney actually owes Trump his career because without Trump's support Carney wouldn't be PM. Quote Hilarious that someone who would admire Trump , the epitome of personal and business sleaze would complain about it, much less randomly apply it to someone who is known to be the absolute opposite of sleaze. Words have meaning, you can’t call a near-freak a slob or a workaholic lazy just because you hate them and it’s an insult FYI sleazy doesn't just mean lewd and sexually overactive: sleazy /slē′zē/adjective Shabby, dirty, and vulgar; tawdry. Dishonest or corrupt; disreputable Carney is a liar of epic proportions - the Brookfield/NY lie was such a blatant fabrication that it was 1) an insult to the intelligence of every Canadian and 2) it forever disabused Canadians of any last shred of belief in the integrity of Canadian media when they just went along with it. If you don't consider Carney a complete and total liar then you're a total idjit. Quote It’s also hilarious that you complain about his lack of military experience, unlike who, Poilievre? Harper? Draft dodging Trump and his fake bone spurs? Nobody has slept on more satin pillows than your hero Trump and yet you have no problem with him running the military. I didn't complain about it, nor did I imply that Poilievre or E May were more knowledgeable about the topic. I just said that it makes sense that military experts disregard him. Trump has already displayed immense skill and intelligence deploying and outfitting his army. Carney is just acting like a pouty child, and that's not acceptable when making decisions at the level of PM, or especially of this magnitude. For generations to come our soldiers' lives will hang on the balance of this choice. Quote The military answers to the civilian government in every democratic country, it doesn’t get to make its own rules and it doesn’t get blank cheques. That doesn't mean that our military leaders should lie to back Carney's childish BS. They know better, so they don't support him in this childish endeavour, therefor they are speaking out. These aren't young doctors who can't buck the fascist system here, thereby forfeiting the career that they spent 7-12 years in university to get. These are military men who are first and foremost accountable to each other, and who put their country ahead of their own lives. They're not gonna lie down for a simp like Carney because 1) they have no respect for him and 2) they're gonna do the right thing regardless of how our PM feels about it. Quote The US uses its military in different ways because their military resources are so vast, they have different doctrine and they place less emphasis on cold climate performance. Some examples; Canada usually requires vehicles and personnel to be more well-rounded and able to perform a variety of roles where the US would have different people or vehicles for each role and even sometimes prefers lower quality in order to have greater quantity (e.g. M-16 rifles). US military has bases and depots all over the world massive logistics operations whereas Canada has fewer of those and needs gear that can be shipped where needed on short notice including arctic. Unlike the US Army the Canadian Army is not going to be employed on the battlefield field in the same was as US troops US army prefers big heavy equipment and tracked vehicles and has entire fleets of transport trucks, rail cars etc to move them around the theatre and around the globe, Canada prefers lighter wheeled vehicles that can quickly roll/on rolloff and move at high road speed but are not suited for frontal assault against a peer threat in high intensity combat Canada needs SAR aircraft with long endurance for our vast wilderness and offshore territory, in the US military only Coast Guard does SAR, with little to no requirement for on-shore or arctic capability and they have bases all along the coast so range, and ability to operate in mountains or arctic etc are not heavily considered. So the fact that the US military is so large might actually be a reason why its equipment is NOT ideal for Canada compared to European militaries that play a risk more similar to one Canada would play especially northern countries like Sweden. That's all neither here nor there. You still never touched on the key facts: the Americans have the best technology by far, the highest industrial capacity, the most battle-tested equipment by far, the most experience operating in all environments, etc, etc, etc. Who cares about the wheels or tracks on our combat vehicles? 😂 In real estate the key to price is location, location, location, the key to military success is the ability to project power, and the F-35 has proven its ability to do that many times now against worthy adversaries. It always gets in undetected, delivers its payload, f's off unharmed. That's power. The Gripen theoretically has power. Meh. Quote As for factory location, nobody is bombing Europe it’s not really an issue. The European factories are actually closer to places in the world where we would deploy forces thou so maybe a savings on transportation if they go back there for service and repairs after a mission Besides Canada is looking for deals where vehicles and equipment are at least partially made in Canada wherever possible. Sweden is within 200km of Russia's Baltic Sea port in Kaliningrad, and they just pissed Russia off. And there's nowhere in their country to put a factory that's 300km away from Russian subs. American factories are far harder to strike, and America has layer upon layer of defences before they have to protect their homeland. If there's a war between now and 2028, when the first fighters are due to arrive, they can probably still sell off some fighters. Sweden cannot. They don't have nuclear missiles of all sorts, nuclear subs like the US, etc, etc. Their fighters are the tip of their spear. If push comes to shove, they're keeping 100% of the fighters that they can produce. Quote Carney is no less able to understand the military than any of you conservative chickenhak heroes who have no more military knowledge In fact Carney seems to far more of a “details guy” who’s more likely to let the facts speak for themselves I was in the military, and have seen our F-18s performing their duties first-hand, including SAR which you touched on briefly. You probably have no clue how they perform in that respect. Not only do I have knowledge, I had a security clearance and have specific knowledge of a lot of our weapons systems that you were never privy to. I lived within military bases and onboard ships, ie within legal, primary military targets. Weapons systems weren't a curiosity for me, I was responsible for maintaining and firing them and my life relied upon them. I took NBCD training. I lived that life. Took the oath to protect. There are still people serving that are my brothers. You just identify as a blue-haired tw4t whose first priority here is to protect Carney's image, and I'm an actual Canadian with hundreds of brothers on the front line whose lives depend on this decision. I don't give a F about Carney's image or his feelings, I care what military leaders think and that's it. Quote The A10 phase-out is well underway as its no longer survivable against a near-peer adversary. It would not be used today in a war against Russia or Iran. It’s more for use against the likes of ISIS or Taliban these days and since that type of threat is not yet zero and since replacing it with F-35s is expensive there are still some A10 squadrons remaining for now. It's a perfect example of a military asset that has looked weak on paper for decades but has always proven itself capable of finding a way to deliver a massive and decisive impact where other options lacked the A10's full range of capabilities. Warthog is the perfect name for it. Not sexy, maybe not the predator that anyone would pick for a tattoo on their shoulder, but something that has scary power from close up. Military people live among all these weapons systems, and they either have battle experience around them or know people who do. They don't just read about them. And Carney doesn't even care, to be perfectly honest. This is either just him threatening to take his ball and go home, or there's some cake in it for him personally. This isn't a strictly military decision. Not a chance. Carney's BS "Canada - Europe Defence Pact" or whatever it is, just shows you his maturity level here. America is basically our spouse: if they die, we die with them. Europe is not our best friend, that's geographically impossible, and even if Europe wanted to "protect us from America with their nuclear weapons 🤣😂🤣😂" (honestly the dumbest and most irresponsible thing that any Canadian politician has ever said, by LIGHT YEARS), that desire would melt faster than an ice-cube on the surface of the Sun if actual war broke out between Canada and the US. It is just, not, possible. Even if America elected dumb-arse, worthless, vapid, daft, kooky Kamala Harris, we would still be inextricably linked to America, and their downfall would be ours as well. Edit, to add: The F-35 has flown thousands of missions over Lebanon, Syria, AND IRAN without a single loss. The cost of losing a fighter plane, plus a pilot, or maybe even paying a ransom to get a jet-fighter pilot back from Iran, and maybe even not achieving mission success because you lacked stealth capability, dwarfs the savings of buying a cheaper jet. Edited December 4, 2025 by WestCanMan 1 Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Army Guy Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 15 hours ago, BeaverFever said: 1...The military answers to the civilian government in every democratic country, it doesn’t get to make its own rules and it doesn’t get blank cheques. 2....The US uses its military in different ways because their military resources are so vast, they have different doctrine and they place less emphasis on cold climate performance. Some examples; Canada usually requires vehicles and personnel to be more well-rounded and able to perform a variety of roles where the US would have different people or vehicles for each role and even sometimes prefers lower quality in order to have greater quantity (e.g. M-16 rifles). US military has bases and depots all over the world massive logistics operations whereas Canada has fewer of those and needs gear that can be shipped where needed on short notice including arctic. 3...Unlike the US Army the Canadian Army is not going to be employed on the battlefield field in the same was as US troops US army prefers big heavy equipment and tracked vehicles and has entire fleets of transport trucks, rail cars etc to move them around the theatre and around the globe, Canada prefers lighter wheeled vehicles that can quickly roll/on rolloff and move at high road speed but are not suited for frontal assault against a peer threat in high intensity combat 1....And it has always been accountable to the elected government, It has always faithfully obeyed all orders it has received...It has never made up, it's own rules , and it has never been issued any blank checks.. And yet i don't understand the attitude that some on this forum has about our military leaders and their abilities to make decisions in regards to say equipment testing, or other reports provided by the military to civilian chain of command . It points to a lack of trust....and yet the military has shown nothing but trust to the government and its citizens, so where does this come from? 2... We do operate differently because we lack the resources and manpower, That being said we as a nation are expected to be able to operate in the same environments as the US, hence why our training is almost identical in nature but on a much smaller scale...US has more equipment and troops trained and equipped for artic operations than Canada ever hopes to have...Britain has more artic trained soldiers and equipment than Canada has...Lets not forget that our artic defense was regulated to the reserves for years....and only recently have regular force troops begun to operate in the artic...mostly due to our small numbers...Canada had a major base in Europe but closed it due to operating expenses...this was a huge mistake but points that when the country is looking for a few bucks that's where it cuts... 3...Heavy equipment cost much more to operate, which is why we switched from track vehs to wheel for the most part, had nothing to do with being able to move quickly or being able to use roll on or off, for a couple of reasons wheeled is cheaper to operate, to we have no roll on roll off capabilities, nor do we have any naval means of landing them under fire...what we have is a small fleet of C-17 which could transport a few LAVS any where in the world, providing we stripped them of most of their armor...Light vehs are great in Built up areas, but Ukraine is proving track IFV are the top predator... Heavier armor , more mobility, more weapons... Canada does need a heavy IFV fleet, it has run a couple of different purchase programs , but once again money is the issue... 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
WestCanMan Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 20 hours ago, eyeball said: Compared to people who act like this conflict started on Oct 7 just a couple of years ago? 🤣 There's no excuse for weighing in on the matter with that level of understanding either. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
eyeball Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Specifically directly in reference to the October attack. Repetitively. You weren't vague No you we're being repetitively disingenuous. Like you are now. Oct 7th was just another flare up in an 80 year old war. To you however it's a new starting point. 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: They're irrelevant. There is no excuse for the attack on civilians like that. There is no excuse for having subjugated, dispossessed and oppressed civilians for the last 80 years. Of course resistance is relevant. 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Nope. You're trying to twist what he said again. The quote i posted was the last of his letters on the subject. He was proud of isreal, he was proud of the isrealis and what they had done. In his perfect world palestians and jews would have been one country who respected each other but he didn't blame israel at all for the fact it didn't work out that way. He clearly blamed Zionist terrorists, who he also very clearly said were behaving no better than Nazis - you refuse to process that and just flat deny the existence of letter he signed. And yes he blamed the British and yes that includes us as allies. I don't see any contradiction in his views just the honesty and decency to call a spade a spade. He used direct clear language that offends you and underscores the invalidity of your denial. 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: You lose that one hard kid. No I really don't lose at all. Einstein's words just make it clear two things can be true, praise for Israel and condemnation for Zionist terrorism. 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Your whole premise falls apart entirely when you look at what he actually said. You want to take snippets out of context and ignore the rest but that's not how it works, that's just more lies. You're doing the same thing with his snippets that you do when the 80 year old conflict flares up - taking each flare/snippet and acting as if whatever happened before is wiped from the discussion - everyday is a brand new day in which Israel/Jews start afresh with pure clean slates where Palestinians are always to blame for everything. 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: He was proud of israel, he HOPED that one day the palestinians and the jews could live in harmony. But he did not anticipate the rampant barbarian hatred and fundimentally violent nature of the Palestinians. He anticipated that the violent barbaric treatment of Palestinians at the hands of Irgun and Lehi and the subsequent political respectability afforded them would haunt Israel and reflect poorly on Jews everywhere and result in catastrophe. He was right. 13 hours ago, CdnFox said: Their attack was 100 percent unjustified, there is no possible excuse for it, they COULD have chosen peace and prosperity decades ago and instead chose war and death, and that didn't work out for them. And 80 years of war has proven this is just as true for Israelis. The methods both sides use are getting more deplorable as evidenced by the present levels of disgust for the stiuation. The only difference between you and me is that I can say use the terms both sides and you can't. And that's why the existence of Palestine and Palestinians is denied right from the get go because there can only be one side, yours. Of course it doesn't help that you people insist on making things infinitely worse by reducing everything to partisan ideology. It just underscores the foreverness of a Forever War. Einstein was a lefty you know. Or does that make your head explode and spray denial juice all over everything too? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: There's no excuse for weighing in on the matter with that level of understanding either. And yet you do anyways. It's really just a force of partisan habit with you people. Yes, you really are that pathetic. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 28 minutes ago, eyeball said: No you we're being repetitively disingenuous. Like you are now. Oct 7th was just another flare up in an 80 year old war. To you however it's a new starting point. So you admit you said it then. Sorry but you were for a specifically to the incidents and deaths of October 7th. And no this isn't another flare up. This was a war deliberately started by Hamas without justification. Quote There is no excuse for having subjugated, dispossessed and oppressed civilians for the last 80 years. Of course resistance is relevant. So now you claim that the attack was simply an act of resistance. It's resistance when you slaughter children and women civilians, that's your claim? Quote He clearly blamed Zionist terrorists, Nope Quote And yes he blamed the British and yes that includes us as allies. Nope. It means the British. That's it. And only blame them for starting them off bad, he didn't blame them for the fact that the Palestinians decided to choose violence instead of peace Quote I don't see any contradiction in his views There isn't. He thought Israel was great, he thought Britain handled it poorly and he hopes that both sides would someday choose peace. Palestine didn't No I really don't lose at all. Einstein's words just make it clear two things can be true, praise for Israel and condemnation for Zionist terrorism. Quote You're doing the same thing with his snippets Not at all. And you were the one that literally demanded, demanded! That I post them The problem is you are the one playing games and when you post his works in their entirety it becomes clear that what you were saying was bullshit and now you're angry Quote He anticipated that the violent barbaric treatment of Palestinians at the hands of Irgun and Lehi and the subsequent political respectability afforded them would haunt Israel and reflect poorly on Jews everywhere and result in catastrophe. Nope Quote And 80 years of war has proven this is just as true for Israelis. Nope. The Israelis have tried many times to bring peace to the region and the Palestinians have deliberately refused. They are the scum, they are the aggressors, they are the terrorists, and now they are dying in large numbers as well they should. There's a price to be paid for that kind of attack and the deliberate targeting and slaughter of civilians. Quote The only difference between you and me is that I can say use the terms both sides and you can't. ???? Da fuk? The only difference between you and me is that you think that it's okay and in fact a human right for terrorists to slaughter civilians without warning during a time of peace. I do not. All your ignorant little games and bullshit lies about 80 years of war are simply to justify the violence that you approve of now. But there is no justification for what happened. It's not a flare up, it's not a human right, it was an act of terrorism perpetrated against women and children without warning by a group of evil people who have now brought war upon them their own land. Which makes them criminals twice, once for killing Israeli civilians and the second time for engineering the death of so many of their own Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 1 minute ago, CdnFox said: This was a war deliberately started by Hamas without justification Give it up HAMAS didn't exist 80 years ago. You're in la la land. 3 minutes ago, CdnFox said: So now you claim that the attack was simply an act of resistance. It's resistance when you slaughter children and women civilians, that's your claim? The Deir Yassin Massacre was an act of aggression 80 years ago, you're claiming otherwise? 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope Yup 5 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope. It means the British. That's it. And only blame them for starting them off bad, he didn't blame them for the fact that the Palestinians decided to choose violence instead of peace That's us, we didn't break our last formal ties to their empire until 1982. He blamed Britain for putting Jews and Palestinians on a disastrous collision course. You're the one blaming Palestinians for resisting their oppression. 13 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope. The Israelis have tried many times to bring peace to the region and the Palestinians have deliberately refused. It was a right wing scumbag that dashed the only meaningful chance for peace. 15 minutes ago, CdnFox said: The only difference between you and me is that you think that it's okay and in fact a human right for terrorists to slaughter civilians without warning during a time of peace. I do not. No, I clearly don't think it okay. You on the other hand... Deir Yassin was attacked despite having signed a non-aggression pact with Jewish settlers. 20 minutes ago, CdnFox said: All your ignorant little games and bullshit lies about 80 years of war are simply to justify the violence that you approve of now. You're projecting. 21 minutes ago, CdnFox said: But there is no justification for what happened Which is why you continually deny it. Are you even capable of saying the name of the place and the crime perpetrated against the people who lived there? Try it...Deir Yassin Massacre. 25 minutes ago, CdnFox said: it was an act of terrorism perpetrated against women and children without warning by a group of evil people who have now brought war upon them their own land. Yes, just like at Deir Yassin. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 4, 2025 Report Posted December 4, 2025 1 hour ago, eyeball said: Give it up HAMAS didn't exist 80 years ago. You're in la la land. Uhhhh... that was 3 years ago dude I know math is hard for you but.... damn.... Quote The Deir Yassin Massacre was an act of aggression 80 years ago, you're claiming otherwise? Can you point to where i claimed otherwise? Quote Yup Nope, and that's obvious. But i'm sure you'll lie about it again Quote That's us, It isn't us. Canada wasn't Britain, Sorry i know it confuses you but we were still a separate nation. Nothing to do with us Quote It was a right wing scumbag that dashed the only meaningful chance for peace. It was the Palestinian's and not a specific person, and they're left wing Quote No, I clearly don't think it okay. You regularlyinsist that it's okay. You get angry and then start speaking what you really believe and then realize you said something horrible and try and backtrack. But you have on multiple occasions stated that the attack was justified Quote You're projecting. That's what Lefty's always say when they get caught There is absolutely no justification for what happened on October 7th. None. That was an evil act perpetrated by evil people who made a decision without justification to kill people because it gave them pleasure and because someone taught them to hate. They weren't fighting repression, it wasn't justified, it wasn't a flare up, it wasn't a reaction. It was a choice by evil people to do evil things and you support that choice fully and have said so many times. You very frequently regret what you say and then try and backtrack but that doesn't change the fact that you have said it many times You're a terrorist supporting scumbag. No matter how you want to dance around the issue that's what it comes back to. Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
eyeball Posted December 5, 2025 Report Posted December 5, 2025 32 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Uhhhh... that was 3 years ago dude I know math is hard for you but.... damn.... The war started 8 decades ago dude. I know history is hard for you but.... damn 33 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Can you point to where i claimed otherwise? I've just never heard you acknowledge it. Britain's role in things too...wow you're almost on a roll. Soon you'll be weighing in on the dispossession, subjugation and oppression of Palestinians on the Westbank... Would describing that as even just regrettable still be too much to expect? 38 minutes ago, CdnFox said: Nope, and that's obvious. But i'm sure you'll lie about it again Nope, you're actually accusing Einstein of lying 44 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It isn't us. Canada wasn't Britain, Sorry i know it confuses you but we were still a separate nation. Nothing to do with us Canada was a part of Britain's Empire and we were with them all the way when it came to Palestine - in particular it's Partition from Israel into apartheid reserves. We had tons to do with it. 49 minutes ago, CdnFox said: It was the Palestinian's and not a specific person, and they're left wing Sure kid, you say that about the Nazis too LMAO! It was a specific Israeli... Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Yigal Amir, an Israeli right-wing extremist who opposed Rabin's peace initiative, the Oslo Accords. Amir shot the Prime Minister on November 4, 1995, after a peace rally in Tel Aviv. You truly suck at maintaining any sort of historical basis for your sides position. 54 minutes ago, CdnFox said: That's what Lefty's always say when they get caught Nope, it's projection just like I said. 58 minutes ago, CdnFox said: There is absolutely no justification for what happened on October 7th. None. Nope, it was an awful thing alright. There is an explanation for why it happened though. Resistance to the awful ongoing dispossession, oppression and subjugation of the people of Palestine. It certainly explains the response of Israel but it absolutely doesn't justify it. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: That was an evil act perpetrated by evil people who made a decision without justification to kill people because it gave them pleasure and because someone taught them to hate. They weren't fighting repression, it wasn't justified, it wasn't a flare up, it wasn't a reaction. It was a choice by evil people to do evil things and you support that choice fully and have said so many times. You very frequently regret what you say and then try and backtrack but that doesn't change the fact that you have said it many times. Yes I know despite your attempt to acknowledge Deir Yassin you still support it. 1 hour ago, CdnFox said: You're a terrorist supporting scumbag. No matter how you want to dance around the issue that's what it comes back to. You're projecting again. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
CdnFox Posted December 5, 2025 Report Posted December 5, 2025 36 minutes ago, eyeball said: The war started 8 decades ago dude. I know history is hard for you but.... damn I've just never heard you acknowledge it. Britain's role in things too...wow you're almost on a roll. Soon you'll be weighing in on the dispossession, subjugation and oppression of Palestinians on the Westbank... Would describing that as even just regrettable still be too much to expect? Nope, you're actually accusing Einstein of lying Canada was a part of Britain's Empire and we were with them all the way when it came to Palestine - in particular it's Partition from Israel into apartheid reserves. We had tons to do with it. Sure kid, you say that about the Nazis too LMAO! It was a specific Israeli... Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Yigal Amir, an Israeli right-wing extremist who opposed Rabin's peace initiative, the Oslo Accords. Amir shot the Prime Minister on November 4, 1995, after a peace rally in Tel Aviv. You truly suck at maintaining any sort of historical basis for your sides position. Nope, it's projection just like I said. Nope, it was an awful thing alright. There is an explanation for why it happened though. Resistance to the awful ongoing dispossession, oppression and subjugation of the people of Palestine. It certainly explains the response of Israel but it absolutely doesn't justify it. Yes I know despite your attempt to acknowledge Deir Yassin you still support it. You're projecting again. The war started October 7 2023. It was in all the papers. You're such a liar, As to the rest of your usual bullshit, lets make it quick Canada isn't britain. There is NO EXCLUSE for the 0ctober 7 attack, no matter how much you want to cheerlead it You have on many occasions expressed your support for hamas, as well as the attack. There is only one group of people preventing peace in the middle east, and that is the palestinians. The rest is just you trying to justify your support for the terrorists and their attacks. And there is no justification for it Quote "That which doesn't kill me... Had better start running."
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