The Sound Of Freedom is for real

[WestCanMan]

@Michael Hardner: You still haven't told us whether or not the whole "Epstein's pedo island" thing was real or just a conspiracy theory. 

If it really happened, how did it go on for so long, right under the FBI's nose, when so many people knew about it? Doesn't that seem just a liiiiiittle bit conspiratorial?

If he got away with it for so long while being so well-known for it, what about people who just do the same thing, but more quietly?

 Are you sure that there are no more islands out there that we just don't know about? 

I'm starting to think that leftists don't really know what the word "conspiracy" means. (I actually do know, I'm just toying with Mikey)

[WestCanMan]

@MHHHHHhhhhhhhh....

What's the matter? Cat got your tongue? 

[reason10]

On 7/28/2023 at 12:41 PM, Boges said:

Here's the App the story references. 

https://www.angel.com/pay-it-forward

https://www.indiewire.com/news/business/sound-of-freedom-box-office-analysis-crowdfunding-pay-it-forward-1234881363/

 

It's like Stubhub, but for Free tickets. 

When you find a RELIABLE source, try again.

If it was a FACTUAL news story, FOX would have been all over it. Fox loves nothing better that a good tabloid scam. And Fox has NO loyalty to  either side of the aisle.

[Michael Hardner]

12 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Just some satire, overexaggerating something based on what you said: 

There are some that might like it, Taken was a good movie, similar in storyline.  

Okay, I understand now. I thought you were talking about the movie Barbie.

Taken was a great film, and its value was in its simplistic stupidity.  Nobody should take anything away from that in the way of knowledge.

[WestCanMan]

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[Michael Hardner]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

But, the approach? Is it effective to help society, does it help men to be better men? 

You would have to actually SEE the movie.  Which I won't be doing.

[BeaverFever]

On 7/25/2023 at 11:46 PM, WestCanMan said:

FYI the movie is apolitical, according to the guy who wrote the OP, and he saw the movie. 

No it’s made by right wing kooks for right wing kooks and it’s a work of fiction pretending to be reality 

On 7/25/2023 at 11:46 PM, WestCanMan said:

We went down this road with "50 former intel officials", remember? We went down this road with "the entire medical community and the covid pseudovax", remember? Your experts aren't "experts", they're Manchurian candidates. 

More of your uneducated, anti-intellect, Krazy Konspiracy Kook nonsense. 
 

On 7/25/2023 at 11:46 PM, WestCanMan said:

And FYI you're not a guy who's famous for being open-minded and seeking out information, you're a confirmation bias victim from the minute you wake up until the minute that you stop fantasizing

Hilarious projection coming from a gullible brainwashed uncritical sheep like yourself. Tell me again about the stolen 2020 election and Zelensky’s biolab weapons that he’s going to use any day now lol. 

 

On 7/25/2023 at 11:46 PM, WestCanMan said:

I knew exactly what your opinion on this movie would be as soon as I saw other leftards popping off about it. Isn't that weird, Beave?

I bet you think that means you’re “real smurt” lol.  
 

It wasn’t just “the left” criticizing this movie but because your drop-out mind stopped developing during early adolescence you think anyone who’s not a brainwashed republitard  like younis the “left” because you can’t comprehend anything except in simplistic black and white terms.  So there’s nothing genius about your correct conclusion that anyone who’s not a republitard including me would not like that pile of crap movie. 

 

On 7/25/2023 at 11:46 PM, WestCanMan said:

How many children do you think were abused in the Catholic church in the last 5 years, Beave? 

Probably a lot, which is the point. 
 

 

[reason10]

17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Okay, I understand now. I thought you were talking about the movie Barbie.

Taken was a great film, and its value was in its simplistic stupidity.  Nobody should take anything away from that in the way of knowledge.

Taken was one of Liam Neeson's better efforts. I fail to see how a man trying to rescue his  daughter from sex traffickers could be construed as stupid. That just doesn't track.

Sound Of Freedom however is based on a true story.

Taken had more action and more thrills because it was fiction. The writers had a lot of leeway in that effort.

Sound Of Freedom was very restrained, as far as movies go: Not a lot of profanity, zero sex, and not a lot of violent scenes.

By the way, there was a scene in Sound Of Freedom where Colombian SWAT stormed the island complex where about fifty children had been brought. As their captors were being hauled away in handcuffs,  the kids began singing. Someone tapped the Jim Caviezel character and said "That's the sound of freedom."

Maybe ideas of "freedom" are repulsive to you. Maybe you prefer children NOT being rescued from human traffickers. I'm still trying to figure out what you could possibly think is STUPID about this hit film.

So give us a movie you DON'T think is stupid.

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

No it’s made by right wing kooks for right wing kooks and it’s a work of fiction pretending to be reality 

Are you gonna join MH in his assertion that there couldn't possibly be any kind of a conspiracy to protect pedophiles?

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More of your uneducated, anti-intellect, Krazy Konspiracy Kook nonsense. 

More of your stupidity and denial. Shocker. 

Are you denying that the "50 former intel agents" were 100% wrong? Are you denying that if they had even a bit of inside info they would have known that what they were signing off on was total BS?

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Hilarious projection coming from a gullible brainwashed uncritical sheep like yourself. Tell me again about the stolen 2020 election and Zelensky’s biolab weapons that he’s going to use any day now lol. 

Funny that you say that but you have never cited an example of me being a brainwashed sheeple like you leftards. 

1) I'll always maintain the Dems cheated in the 2020 election: they cheated on the 2016 election multiple times and then they did everything in their power to make cheating easier in 2020.

2) I've never said that there would be enough proof of it to overturn the election, but even if there was it would be the FBI in charge of gathering it, and they would never do that. It's like expecting Gerald Butts to investigate Justin Trudeau. 

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I bet you think that means you’re “real smurt” lol.  

Compared to you I'm a genius, but that's a pretty low bar to clear. 

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It wasn’t just “the left” criticizing this movie but because your drop-out mind stopped developing during early adolescence you think anyone who’s not a brainwashed republitard  like younis the “left” because you can’t comprehend anything except in simplistic black and white terms.  So there’s nothing genius about your correct conclusion that anyone who’s not a republitard including me would not like that pile of crap movie. 

The vast majority of the anti-movie drivel is from the same drooling leftards who don't want information about Epstein's island to come out. 

I read the Rolling Stone's diatribe, among other things they object to Caveizal's "sad, serious faces" but that happens in literally every movie. Was he supposed to be upbeat about it? "Hey, cool, another crime to solve. WHOOP WHOOP!" 

Leftards like you, Rolling Stone and MH wanna pretend that "THERE COULD NEVER BE A CONSPIRACY TO PROTECT PEDOS!!!!", but @Michael Hardner ran off like a scared little girl when I asked him why the Epstein island saga managed to go on for 20 years when alarm bells were ringing for so long. 

What do you think? Is it weird that Epstein was able to keep operating for so long when so many people knew? It's like the Weinstain thing: people knew for decades but no one did sweet FA. It was Hollywood's dirty little non-secret. 

[BeaverFever]

On 7/25/2023 at 10:52 PM, BeaverFever said:

Republican speaker of the house during the Clinton years Dennis Hastert was a lifelong pedophile.
 

Jeffrey Epstein was represented by Republican Ken. Starr and given a sweetheart plea deal by Republican AG Anthony Alito. 
 

Ken Starr then went on to cover up sex crimes at Baylor University when he was president there and was forced to resign as a result. 

@West

 

Furthermore,

 

Former Anti-Abortion Leader and Aide to Alabama Lt. Gov. Arrested on Child Sex Abuse Charges

Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth once called Cole Wagner “a whiz-kid” and a “bright, young guy”

Tessa StuartJuly 24, 2023

Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth once called Cole Wagner “a whiz-kid” and a “bright, young guy”

As the chair of Alliance for a Pro-Life Alabama in 2018, Cole Wagner helped muscle into the Alabama Constitution a new amendment declaring the state recognized “the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children.” On Friday, the Alabama Political Reporter broke the news that Wagner had been arrested for the sexual abuse of a child under the age of 12. 

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https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/anti-abortion-leader-child-sex-abuse-1234794177/

[West]

15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

@West

 

Furthermore,

 

Former Anti-Abortion Leader and Aide to Alabama Lt. Gov. Arrested on Child Sex Abuse Charges

Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth once called Cole Wagner “a whiz-kid” and a “bright, young guy”

Tessa StuartJuly 24, 2023

Lt. Gov. Will Ainsworth once called Cole Wagner “a whiz-kid” and a “bright, young guy”

As the chair of Alliance for a Pro-Life Alabama in 2018, Cole Wagner helped muscle into the Alabama Constitution a new amendment declaring the state recognized “the sanctity of unborn life and the rights of unborn children.” On Friday, the Alabama Political Reporter broke the news that Wagner had been arrested for the sexual abuse of a child under the age of 12. 

…

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/anti-abortion-leader-child-sex-abuse-1234794177/

Guys a creep. Hopefully he is made someone's wife in prison 

[BeaverFever]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you gonna join MH in his assertion that there couldn't possibly be any kind of a conspiracy to protect pedophiles?

Well Republicans protected Hastert and Epstein so we know it’s possible but this grandiose global pizzagate type of conspiracy you nutjobs subscribe to is ridiculous 

35 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Are you denying that the "50 former intel agents" were 100% wrong? Are you denying that if they had even a bit of inside info they would have known that what they were signing off on was total BS?

I am saying you are a Krazy Konspiracy Kook

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Funny that you say that but you have never cited an example of me being a brainwashed sheeple like you leftards. 

Yes I did.  You believe that the 2020 election was stolen and that Zelensky has developed secret new bio weapons that he was planning to use for a surprise WMD strike on Russia for no reason except that “he’s a Jewish Nazi”.  You’re also a Kovid Konspiracy Kook.  You swallow whatever you’re fed by your propaganda websites. 
 

40 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The vast majority of the anti-movie drivel is from the same drooling leftards who don't want information about Epstein's island to come out. 

Bullsh1t. You just think anyone whose not a mouth-frothing republican is the left. Nobody on the “left” is trying to keep anything another Epstein a secret, unlike his decades-long friend Trump and Republicans like lawyer Ken Starr who got him a sweetheart plea deal from Republican AG Acosta.  Starr went on to cover up sexual assaults at Baylor university. Year later even woth all this known, Epstein’s decades-long party buddy Trump appointed Acosta to his presidential cabinet and also hired Starr as his impeachment lawyer isn’t that a coincidence?  And conveniently Epstein is snatched up by the Trump administration and mysteriously but conveniently dies in Trumps custody despite being on suicide watch 

 

Epstein for away with his actions for so long first and foremost because he was rich and in a corrupt country like USA that makes you almost untouchable by anyone. Secondly he had republicans helping him along, Republicans who were then rewarded by Trump . 

[West]

23 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Well Republicans protected Hastert and Epstein so we know it’s possible but this grandiose global pizzagate type of conspiracy you nutjobs subscribe to is ridiculous 

I am saying you are a Krazy Konspiracy Kook

Yes I did.  You believe that the 2020 election was stolen and that Zelensky has developed secret new bio weapons that he was planning to use for a surprise WMD strike on Russia for no reason except that “he’s a Jewish Nazi”.  You’re also a Kovid Konspiracy Kook.  You swallow whatever you’re fed by your propaganda websites. 
 

Bullsh1t. You just think anyone whose not a mouth-frothing republican is the left. Nobody on the “left” is trying to keep anything another Epstein a secret, unlike his decades-long friend Trump and Republicans like lawyer Ken Starr who got him a sweetheart plea deal from Republican AG Acosta.  Starr went on to cover up sexual assaults at Baylor university. Year later even woth all this known, Epstein’s decades-long party buddy Trump appointed Acosta to his presidential cabinet and also hired Starr as his impeachment lawyer isn’t that a coincidence?  And conveniently Epstein is snatched up by the Trump administration and mysteriously but conveniently dies in Trumps custody despite being on suicide watch 

 

Epstein for away with his actions for so long first and foremost because he was rich and in a corrupt country like USA that makes you almost untouchable by anyone. Secondly he had republicans helping him along, Republicans who were then rewarded by Trump . 

Lol.. 

 

Epstein is your guy. So is Harvey Weinstein

[Boges]

On 7/29/2023 at 1:00 PM, reason10 said:

When you find a RELIABLE source, try again.

If it was a FACTUAL news story, FOX would have been all over it. Fox loves nothing better that a good tabloid scam. And Fox has NO loyalty to  either side of the aisle.

So Fox is the only source you'll trust. . . unless they call Arizona for Biden, that is. 

[Boges]

10 hours ago, West said:

Lol.. 

 

Epstein is your guy.

[myata]

This thread is a good illustration of a mob mentality. This is a film, I haven't seen it personally but read about it and can see absolutely nothing wrong with the theme. Did someone here want to claim that there's no human trafficking problem in many God-forsaken places on this planet? The first page of daily news will tell anyone with a grain of objective mind otherwise. Is it (being kidnapped, sold, made fight and so on) somehow "less of a problem" than suffering severe consequences of the events two to five generations back?

No no. There are no good mobs for any good reasons that are claimed. Turned off critical thought, limiting the range of intelligent reactions to "hurray!!!" or "booo!!!" is never good for making reasonable choices in the complex reality of today's world. Just doesn't work.

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

Well Republicans protected Hastert and Epstein so we know it’s possible but this grandiose global pizzagate type of conspiracy you nutjobs subscribe to is ridiculous 

I don't even know who Hastert is, but Epstein was arrested when there was a GOP president. 

You can pretend that pedo rings don't get any protection but Epstein was just fine for decades until Trump was POTUS. Then he died mysteriously after being put into one of America's most secure jails. He was also assaulted by a fellow inmate with a violent criminal record while he was in that 'secure' facility. 

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I am saying you are a Krazy Konspiracy Kook

You still believe in Russian collusion ffs. You're still a vaxtard but you won't say if you feel like the vax prevents you from gettng covid, prevents hospitalization, prevents ICU visits, prevents death, or to what extent it lowers your chance of dying. You just say that you're a vaxtard and then clam up. Do you still believe in Santy Claus too Beavey boi? 

The fact that you think I'm a conspiracy kook is proof of the opposite, thank ya kindly. 

I know that what's written below is over your head so don't sit there scratching your head about what it means or how it applies, it's there for other people. Think of it as a kindness on my part to say this about you: it means that you're not necessarily lying, you might just be stupid.

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“A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.” 

People smarter than Beave: keep the above in mind while reading my reply to the child's comment below:

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Yes I did.  You believe that the 2020 election was stolen

Misquote, shocker.

I said that the Dems cheated on that election, I never said it was stolen, dumbass. I don't know if their cheating was enough to tip the scales but I wouldn't be surprised.

We'll never know because the FBI is known to have been cheating to influence elections in favour of the Dems for a while now, so if they do have evidence they'll destroy it.

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and that Zelensky has developed secret new bio weapons that he was planning to use for a surprise WMD strike on Russia for no reason except that “he’s a Jewish Nazi”.  You’re also a Kovid Konspiracy Kook.  You swallow whatever you’re fed by your propaganda websites. 

Re: bioweapons, that's another of your misquotes. I never said that Zelensky was creating secret new bioweapons at all. I only said things about Ukrainian biolabs which the US/Ukrainian gov'ts stated themselves and tried to help you understand the implications:

1) they call their facilities there "bioweapons 'research' labs", and that's an important distinction in their opinion because they claim that the labs are not for manufacturing them at scale 

-they claim that they're not creating new bioweapons there, just creating cures for the bioweapons that are known to exist. To rubes like you that seems completely innocuous, but having a cure for a bioweapon means that you can actually use it. It also means that they probably have to tweak the bioweapons a bit too, to see if their cure works against a slight mutation, or more robust version. 

I'm not a snowflake - I think that the US definitely should be doing that research and we'd be screwed if they weren't - but they're doing it on Russia's doorstep, and that's very aggressive. The Americans wouldn't allow joint Soviet/Canadian labs anywhere in Canada, but especially not within 500 miles of DC, NYC, Detroit, etc.

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Bullsh1t. You just think anyone whose not a mouth-frothing republican is the left. Nobody on the “left” is trying to keep anything another Epstein a secret, unlike his decades-long friend Trump and Republicans like lawyer Ken Starr who got him a sweetheart plea deal from Republican AG Acosta.  Starr went on to cover up sexual assaults at Baylor university. Year later even woth all this known, Epstein’s decades-long party buddy Trump appointed Acosta to his presidential cabinet and also hired Starr as his impeachment lawyer isn’t that a coincidence?  And conveniently Epstein is snatched up by the Trump administration and mysteriously but conveniently dies in Trumps custody despite being on suicide watch 

I don't even care if it's conservative or liberals banging the kids. I just want them dead or in jail for life. 

Obama and Clinton had 8 years to get Epstein behind bars or dead but he was a free man, doing his sick thing for almost two decades while they were POTUS. Stop making excuses and getting partisan about it. 

Obviously if pedos are getting protection it's not just from one side. 

[WestCanMan]

6 hours ago, Boges said:

You're an idolt. 

No one knows if Epstein was already doing his pedo enterprise 20+ years ago, when Trump was still associating with him. Beave has tried to make the case that Trump and Epstein were buds after 2001 but couldn't.

By contrast, Clinton was a frequent flyer while he was president, in 2007 or 8. He obviously didn't need free rides on the Lolita Express then, did he...

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You're an idolt. 

No one knows if Epstein was already doing his pedo enterprise 20+ years ago, when Trump was still associating with him. Beave has tried to make the case that Trump and Epstein were buds after 2001 but couldn't.

By contrast, Clinton was a frequent flyer while he was president, in 2007 or 8. He obviously didn't need free rides on the Lolita Express then, did he...

It's not like Trump has a track record of people a sexual predator or anything. ?

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's not like Trump has a track record of people a sexual predator or anything. ?

1) You're correct - he doesn't. 

2) Regardless of how crude he is with women, that accusation doesn't extend to anything with children you scumbag 

[Boges]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) You're correct - he doesn't. 

2) Regardless of how crude he is with women, that accusation doesn't extend to anything with children you scumbag 

Yeah he didn't say he'd date his daughter or anything. ?

[WestCanMan]

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Yeah he didn't say he'd date his daughter or anything. ?

I've never said he isn't crude, crass, etc, but you're making a false accusation about him being chummy with Epstein, Boges. They haven't been on those terms in over 20 years unless Beave is just an idjit. He tried to make that connection and failed miserably, as usual.

[Boges]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I've never said he isn't crude, crass, etc, but you're making a false accusation about him being chummy with Epstein, Boges. They haven't been on those terms in over 20 years unless Beave is just an idjit. He tried to make that connection and failed miserably, as usual.

He's just friendly with his associates? 

https://www.newsweek.com/ghislaine-maxwell-donald-trump-gave-big-boost-prosecution-1752447
 

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The former president was asked about Maxwell and whether she might name names during a press conference in July 2020, shortly after her arrest by the FBI.

Quoted by The Guardian, he replied: "I don't know—I haven't really been following it too much. I just wish her well, frankly. I have met her numerous times over the years, especially since I lived in Palm Beach, and I guess they lived in Palm Beach. But I wish her well, whatever it is."

 

 

[myata]

This is a kind of rhetoric the left (relative) is famous for that I wouldn't have anything to do with. Trump is a bombastic pathological lying !diot because of the things he said, and done, confirmed and factual. Most recently for example, he said that he would make Ukraine and Russia "negotiate". Into a human language it can be translated as: make a victim of a brutal unprovoked aggression and rape, "negotiate" with the violent criminal, while the police is whistling and looking aside.

This is why. Not because of some wink wink you know, like everybody knows allusions. Same trumpish trick and they're claiming to be any better. Sigh.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

He's just friendly with his associates? 

That took a lot of courage, and I'm definitely not as forgiving as he is. I wouldn't have done that.