Cluster Bombs

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, August1991 said:

So many young boys have died. mothers/wives changed.

This is an escalation in an avoidable civil war - with potential horrific world effects.

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I was in Crimea in 2014. Russia. I flew from Moscow. Obama was president.

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This war (2021) is a result of the Biden administration. It could have been avoided.

 

 

False. It is the result of the Putin administration. 

[August1991]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

False. It is the result of the Putin administration. 

All of this death could have been avoided.

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Russia/Putin never wanted more than it had. 

[August1991]

Putin?

Biden wants regime change in Russia.

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, August1991 said:

Putin?

Biden wants regime change in Russia.

Who doesn’t?  Putin wanted regime change in USA and Ukraine long before that. 

[August1991]

14 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Who doesn’t?  Putin wanted regime change in USA and Ukraine long before that. 

Reagan said correctly about the Soviets: "We win. you lose."

Well. the wall is no more. I agreed then.

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To my knowledge, Putin never wanted to change the US regime.

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But this US military invasion of Iraq, Serbia, Libya? Imagine if Americans decided to change our regime in Canada?

"We won't stay. We're not an occupying force. We're going home." 

Edited July 17, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

Last year (2022). I walked around central Berlin - through the Brandenburg Gates.

I thought. Once again, these foolish Germans have decided to build a Ukrainian Embassy (with flags and placards) in front of a Russian Embassy - which is surrounded by gates.

IOW, these foolish X people have allowed Y people to offend the Z people.

[August1991]

This destruction in eastern Ukraine was avoidable.

These deaths of young guys were avoidable.

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It started after 2021. when Biden became president.

Edited July 17, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

It may sound weird to Americans but Obama and Trump were good Presidents - you kept yourselves far from foolishness.

From 2008-2020, you Americans didn't do anything too stupid.

Oprah Winfrey apparently financed Obama's campaign and said: "Don't screw this up." (In other words, like Laurier, be more anglo-than-Victoria.)

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Bush Jnr and Biden? Total f*  up. 

[myata]

6 hours ago, August1991 said:

It started after 2021

A lie as usual. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, illegally, in a blatant violation of the international law and the UN Charter "annexed" Crimea and invaded Eastern regions of Ukraine.

That did not happen in Europe since the times of WWII. Hitler was the last one, before Putin to try that in Europe.

[I am Groot]

On 7/14/2023 at 4:25 PM, herbie said:

Oh the USA is using cluster bombs, won't sign a land mine treaty, tore up nuclear proliferation deals and is militarizing outer space. Such honourable things!
And as suckhole Canadians, we must emulate their every move?

The US won't sign a landmine treaty because of North Korea. And it won't ban cluster bombs because Russia won't. And also because of North Korea. And both Russia and China are militarizing space. So it's not like the US has much choice.

The US is being practical and realistic. Yes, I think we should emulate them, though having no practicality or realism I can see where you wouldn't.

On 7/14/2023 at 8:32 PM, August1991 said:

If the purpose of this war is regime change - taking out Putin - then this escalation is an obvious step.

What escalation? Russia has been using cluster bombs from the start.

[I am Groot]

On 7/14/2023 at 10:32 PM, herbie said:

One person, just one who can see the point I was making and respond to that point.

So the point you're making is we need to virtue signal from the safety of the sidelines.

I think the world already knows how sanctimonious Canada is.

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

All of this death could have been avoided.

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Russia/Putin never wanted more than it had. 

August this is so wildly self-deluded it's not worth any response beyond that.  

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

August this is so wildly self-deluded it's not worth any response beyond that.  

He reminds me of a Poli Scie professor I had in college who had immigrated from Finland. He had nothing but good things to say about the Soviets and nothing but bad things to say about the Americans.

Needless to say, we had a lot of arguments in class. But give him credit, he gave me an A anyway.

[myata]

6 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

He reminds me of a Poli Scie professor I had in college who had immigrated from Finland.

In the war of 1940 Russia brutally bombed Finland including the capital like in Ukraine these days. Must be a cr*ppy professor. The facts are real and the reality is not relative.

Edited July 17, 2023 by myata

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, myata said:

In the war of 1940 Russia brutally bombed Finland including the capital like in Ukraine these days. Must be a cr*ppy professor. The facts are real and the reality is not relative.

Lots of lefties were in love with at least the idea of communism back then. And some were perhaps more easily deceived about the reality than others.

[herbie]

And some people are so deluded by right wing dogma they'd outright dismiss previous generations of anti-nuke and anti-Vietnam protesters as mere 'virtue signallers'.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

And some people are so deluded by right wing dogma they'd outright dismiss previous generations of anti-nuke and anti-Vietnam protesters as mere 'virtue signallers'.

We just had a conversation about Canada getting nukes, it seems it was brought up by 2 posters on this forum both on the left side of the house, i believe it was the right side of the house that were arguing against them....not sure where the right wing dogma comes in...perhaps more left wing dog whistling. 

Last time i checked there are more countries with nukes now than in previous generations, and the Vietnam war went on for what 20 plus years... i think that pretty much sums up their involvement as mere virtue signalers... 

[myata]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

And some were perhaps more easily deceived about the reality than others.

Like in "deceived themselves because wanted to believe"? This is no explanation.

[August1991]

On 7/17/2023 at 8:10 AM, myata said:

A lie as usual. Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, illegally, in a blatant violation of the international law and the UN Charter "annexed" Crimea and invaded Eastern regions of Ukraine.

That did not happen in Europe since the times of WWII. Hitler was the last one, before Putin to try that in Europe.

Disagree.

In 2014, there was a coup in Ukraine. (Like Canada, Ukraine is a divided society).

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Crimea is in the Russian-speaking part - like the Donbass. Or northern New Brunswick.

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In the past, our leaders kept us out of such nonsense:

Lévesque was a democrat more than a federalist.

Trudeau was a federalist more than democrat.

 

 

 

 

[myata]

10 hours ago, August1991 said:

Disagree.

All lies as usual. No point in wasting any time on Russia's pathological lying machine.

In the US there are French speaking "parts" and German, and Mexican and Chinese and so on. So what? ask the !diot. When is mama RuZZia coming to liberate Alaska and Brighton Beach? Poor speaking people are suffering!

Thugs thought they found an easy victim to make an example of only in went the wrong way... for them.. and guessing, all the way to another collapse, blood bath, crying and suffering all because of Him, He made us do it! Except we can watch now live who's doing what and how it works.

Pretending to be "civilized" while admiring murderous dictator thugs. That "civilization" can be seen in the daily news. Nothing to worry! He'll imagine something, again just to make his wish come true in that disfigured alternative reality.

Edited July 22, 2023 by myata