myata Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Canada having been the most progressive and futurist country in the world, Now you're smoking, right? 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: The difference is that he , like myself, does not see any "good" guys in this fiasco. There doesn't have to be always the good guys. No one guaranteed and assured that in our long history of humanity. But there's a violent brutal psycho on a rampage and if he's not stopped right here he'll go somewhere next and you may not have a comfy place to run to. And there will be others too. A whole world of would be mini and otherwise Putins is watching this closely. Like what would be the new order in the world, once he buried the last one. Just get your hands on the nukes and get your heart's desire.. in the brave new ostrich world. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 55 minutes ago, myata said: Now you're smoking, right? That Canada was once considered a peace-keeper nation and one of the most progressive countries in the world? Hardly. Name a better country. But also one involved in outreach and humanitarianism as has been our reputation in the past. Don't say "Sweden". ? Quote
I am Groot Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Army Guy said: One day we are going to wake up and the US is going to demand we step up, or do it ourselves....and it is going to cost us more than 2 % GDP to control our sovereignty. There is a very real chance Donald Trump will be president in two years. Not because he's a very good candidate but because Republican voters aren't interested in reality. And because Biden is an old, worn out, decrepit man with a despised running mate no one wants to see as a potential president. And because the progressive wingnut wing of their party has been infuriating middle-class voters with their wokeness, especially at lower levels, as in school boards, district attorneys, mayors, and state governors. Any reasonable candidate would beat Trump. I'm not sure this time around Biden is that guy. He was old last time but people were willing to overlook it. I'm not sure four years has made him seem any younger. Do I think Trump would invade Canada? Nope. But do I have ANY confidence Trump would intervene if China or Russia decided to bi1ch slap us? Maybe up in the Arctic, the way China does to all its surrounding neighbors? Nope. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Do you think you can win with me? I'm not trying to beat you down. I am simply a human observer. I already explained my picture and what it means, "O". However you deleted that thread out of shame or something, so the beautiful post I made about it is gone now. I'm in no mood to repeat myself. Tomorrow you might apologize again for the surprise attacks. It's ok. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 21 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Which Canada? Chud, Old Canada. The one that was seen as a force for good in the world. The one we could feel pride in. National pride... Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Contrarian said: WTF did you do in these years? I came here to express my views and mainly to stand up for those who are oppressed by the wealthy and powerful. I believe in fairness and to protect human rights. When I am not here I do my duty as a citizen. Work, pay my taxes and try to raise other compassionate human beings. It is not intelligence I value as much as compassion. I am... Canadian. Edited July 8, 2023 by OftenWrong Quote
Army Guy Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 7 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: Army Guy, I hope you understand that I personally have a different view on Defence Policy than the government. I have always advocated for a viable Canadian military, cabable of defeating any threat. I have yet to find anyone on this forum who agrees with me. I am also a realist. Canadians do not wish to have anything but a token military. Yes, they are handy for aid to the civil power for medical assistance, and natural disasters. But no government could get elected on a platform promising to defend Canada. A token military is alright, but it is a waste to provide equipment in such small numbers that they, and the men and women who use it, would be overwhelmed in a day. I support NATO, but it should be a side commitment to the primary role of the defence of Canada. We should be in a position to maintain a 5% of GDP contibution to NATO while still maintaining our own defence. The American taxpayer paid for World War II. They lent massive amounts of money to help in the Great War (1914-1918) and the only country that paid back that war debt to the US after the Great War was Britain. They made their last payment in the 1980's. It is totally unfair to burden the American taxpayer for the defence of Canada. And once again, I am whistling in the wind. Queen i try and not judge anyone that does not hold the same opinion as mine when it comes to defense, What i do find however is most Canadians have NO idea what the Military does for this country every day and night, and are basing their opinions on either false news or just not being educated on the topic... Below is a recent poll about what Canadians thought about increasing our % of GDP spending on our military...i get it it is a poll and not a comprehensive idea on what all Canadians think, but it is a start...... Most Canadians OK with upping defence spending to reach NATO target | CTV News I could write pages upon pages on why i think we need a military that is capable of doing it's job here plus inter nationally...but some un related numbers are worth looking into... during the Winnipeg floods, 3/4 of the military was involved at the the time... yes air force, and navy and most of the army...and that disaster was not all that large, during the Ice storm it took 2/3 of the Army and large chunks of the air force and some navy guys...Now if BC was to have a large quake...it would overwhelm our military, and all of it's resources...and thousands would not get help when they needed it...Climate change is seeing these types of disasters getting larger and larger... who or what is going to respond to them... you or me... we have signed onto a lot of inter national defense agreements, NATO, NORAD, 5 EYES, and we are not meeting any of the goals or policies we signed onto....AUKUS has already moved on without us as we are not a reliable partner... we are known within NATO and NORAD as a free loader, and that alliance does not rely on Canada for much of anything...not to make it's troop commitments, or anything else...Justin agree to boost up our Lithuania contribution to make a full Brigade group... the best we could up with was a sqn of old tanks...i know who cares, well if you want something done foreign policy wise then you need reliable partners...we don't have many...our world reputation is not that we are nice, and polite, but can't be trusted to keep our word...ya there is something to be proud of... makes you want to climb the highest mountain and start singing the national anthem. I know who cares... the Michaels care, how long did they spend in prison... 1 1 Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 8 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Shut your mouth, you destroyed this platform, I read all the exchanges when the admin tried to get Moonbox to start something, you came in as Little Finger to destroy the idea. Why? Because you are a weak element and you fear high IQ folks, you are a narcissist probably too, but you found your match now. Scumbag. The thread is about Canada and world peace. Learn to behave and we can discuss our ideas further. I don't have a problem if another poster differs with me, or even teases or ridicules me as long as they have a useful point to make in it somehow. Blatant insulting, that is for primitive low-browed losers. You're not a primitive, low-browed loser right now, are you? Because we know... are drunk again. lmao 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Old Canada. United Empire Loyalists seeking a Northwest Passage in defence of the British Crown in North America Quote
Dougie93 Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 37 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It is not intelligence I value as much as compassion. walking with the Nazarene on the road to Calvary Hill at Golgotha 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Contrarian said: Wait till I find out you trace, not even your Sugar Daddy can protect you. My beautiful friend. I like you, but you are a mean and angry drunk. It's ok, doesn't bother me at all because I guess there are some deeper issues. Tomorrow, you will wake up and love me again. 1 Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 8, 2023 Report Posted July 8, 2023 20 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Sure, but I want to tell you something, either you or dougie will make this platform very famous. It will be so funny, maybe Dr. Phill can give you trolls a job? Either way, I already know what I need to know. I think it will be funny. Dougie and I understand each other fairly well. We are not looking for fame, just expressing views we believe in. We are the last Canadians. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Contrarian said: I am Canadian too, Chud. You did time didn't you? When you said "bird up" in 2014 or 2015? So, I already know you have a criminal record how can you win, old boy? That was a reference to comedian Eric Andre. I was watching his show at that time. We used to have a lot of fun around here, back in the day when it was properly moderated. You are a Canadian by law, but that is not what I meant. Canadians are known for their tolerance and patience with those who are "different". In whatever ways you can imagine. And I can prove that. Also we are known to be polite and respectful. It's a Canadian trait. But only to a point. If you sass off too much we might suddenly pull your shirt over your head, and pommel the crap out of you. Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Contrarian said: I see, Chud, brother, I stand tall, also, I am at Bathurst and Bloor, private property want to come over?! Bathurst and Bloor you say? My condolences, friend. But it explains everything. I'm at Bay and Lake... Quote
eyeball Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 7 hours ago, Army Guy said: Spending billions on tanks and planes and boats, may sound useless to you, but those same resources help millions each year, yes during the floods and ice storms we brought in tanks and IFV to help rescue people and build sand bag walls, as the waters were to deep for anything else, those fancy helicopters help put out fires, and evac civilians to safer areas...not only here in Canada but aboard as well... Excellent let's always make sure we spend enough to do these things. But we're talking about deterring an invasion and militarily making the world a better place. I fail to see why we can't deter being invaded by building a small number of big ugly nukes given that no one that has nukes has been invaded. You can joke and laugh all you like about lefties, and launch codes but if you think that's an argument you're dreaming. As for the cost? Good luck convincing anyone we can spend the kind of money it would take to do what you're talking about to make a difference militarily around the world without going 10 times over budget for a bunch of crap that'll be outdated before it even gets off the assembly line. Quote i know hard not to think about your self for a minute, but we as a nation are fortunate to be rich in resources, and have great level of standard of living, why would we not want to protect that.... Go urinate up a rope. This sort of condescending retort is actually the strongest argument I can think of for not following a right-wing prescription for defence or trying to pacifying the world with our military. I don't want you people anywhere near an armed force. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Contrarian said: I stand tall, also, If you say so. Edited July 9, 2023 by OftenWrong Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Contrarian said: Yes Chud, I say. Explain what, Chud? You are good at chastising others for getting personal and into bun fights and here you are..... getting personal and into a bun fight. Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 10 hours ago, eyeball said: This sort of condescending retort is actually the strongest argument I can think of for not following a right-wing prescription for defence You mean... reality? Quote
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You are good at chastising others for getting personal and into bun fights and here you are..... getting personal and into a bun fight. There was no fight really, just one alcoholic having a bad time, and one clean - cut, honest Canadian who stays true and consistent to his values, defending those which he cares about, standing on guard, resolute and calm in the face of adversity. See title of thread. Quote
eyeball Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 18 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: You mean... reality? No, that's not what I said. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ExFlyer Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: There was no fight really, just one alcoholic having a bad time, and one clean - cut, honest Canadian who stays true and consistent to his values, defending those which he cares about, standing on guard, resolute and calm in the face of adversity. See title of thread. Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back LOL We all have a crutch to bare. Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
OftenWrong Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on the back LOL We all have a crutch to bare. Yep, each of us shows what we're made of, when we get behind an anonymous online account. Same as when people get in their cars, some of them become vicious animals. But in reality you people are the worst of cowards, in a face-to-face situation. Those who strut like peacocks and boasting of their power are often the most afeared that others might find out how powerless they truly are. Especially when a real man finally walks into the picture Because that makes their fear and self-loathing really come out. Being a real Canadian means showing bravery in the face of one's emotionally irrational adversary. Canada is the defender of rational society. Quote
ExFlyer Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Yep, each of us shows what we're made of, when we get behind an anonymous online account. Same as when people get in their cars, some of them become vicious animals. But in reality you people are the worst of cowards, in a face-to-face situation. Those who strut like peacocks and boasting of their power are often the most afeared that others might find out how powerless they truly are. Especially when a real man finally walks into the picture Because that makes their fear and self-loathing really come out. Being a real Canadian means showing bravery in the face of one's emotionally irrational adversary. Canada is the defender of rational society. "You people"? Who are you accusing of these things?? Edited July 9, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote It can be dangerous to believe things just because you want them to be true. - Sagan
Army Guy Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 16 hours ago, eyeball said: Excellent let's always make sure we spend enough to do these things. But we're talking about deterring an invasion and militarily making the world a better place. I fail to see why we can't deter being invaded by building a small number of big ugly nukes given that no one that has nukes has been invaded. You can joke and laugh all you like about lefties, and launch codes but if you think that's an argument you're dreaming. As for the cost? Good luck convincing anyone we can spend the kind of money it would take to do what you're talking about to make a difference militarily around the world without going 10 times over budget for a bunch of crap that'll be outdated before it even gets off the assembly line. Go urinate up a rope. This sort of condescending retort is actually the strongest argument I can think of for not following a right-wing prescription for defence or trying to pacifying the world with our military. I don't want you people anywhere near an armed force. I told you those things to let you know some of the other things our military does, other than defense of the country, and foreign policy. Other things include assisting with drug enforcement RCMP, Coast Guard on both coasts, fishier patrols, sovereignty patrols in Artic and both coasts, SAR across the country, any thing to do with national emergency preparedness, plus anything to do with defense.. like dew lines, artic surveillance, NATO, NORAD commitments, 5 EYES deployments to pacific...and final UN and many many more... Nukes are a failure because you can't use them on your own soil, and do you really think the US and the rest of the world is going to allow a couple of mushroom clouds sent up by Canada...NO regardless of excuse the answer will all ways be NO...so what is left if a nuclear war was declared we could launch a few to make you feel good about doing something that would destroy the planet... How about we concentrate on keeping it simple mr nuke , concentrate on conventional forces, and keeping the planet in one piece for now... One could also turn the argument around, it has been only nuclear armed countries that have invaded others... i thought you were a pacifist...Nuclear arms gives Canada no advantage on the global podium, unless you have hundreds.. and you should cost out what it takes to establish nukes...from the start to putting them in the ground... Use US figures if you want... Like i said Justin may not have a choice but to agree to at minimum of 2 % or NATO, we will find out this week on how Canada is going to react... but we should also be looking at what are the consequences of Canada not bring in these defense agreements , it might surprise you... And the left can not lecture anyone on costs , after blowing through 700 Bil ... It will not be condescending when NATO tells our nation to step up or step off.... who knows perhaps this is NATO just talking tough once again... or maybe this time, they are going to be willing to cut out the free loaders... Pacify the world really.... becasue NATO is one the march crushing democratic countries around the world...Canada could not pacify west Edmonton mall with it's current military... which is a source of pride to the left, until they want to deploy them some where... "You people" yes it is people like me that rule the globe, you will submit or be banished... It is all these dictators that rule the world that make the free world react in these ways...start watching the news.. Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
eyeball Posted July 9, 2023 Report Posted July 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Army Guy said: "You people" yes it is people like me that rule the globe, you will submit or be banished... No, so long as you're left starving for the funding that being combative requires we'll probably be just fine. No one will be invading is. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
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