PPC’s Maxime Bernier fails in quest to win byelection seat in Manitoba

[CdnFox]

PPC’s Maxime Bernier fails in quest to win byelection seat in Manitoba

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2023/06/19/pierre-poilievres-conservatives-look-for-gains-as-results-are-tallied-in-four-canadian-by-elections.html

And he didn't just "lose" - he lost big.  The riding had some support for him in 2021 when they felt betrayed by o'toole, but with PP at the helm that has evaporated and their support is very low.

ANd that's one of their best ridings.

So now what.

I think it's time for bernier to fold his tent and go home. I doubt he will, i think he'll hang on hoping for enough donations to keep his job going, but he should

On the other hand it's nice to have a place for all the SERIOUSLY right wing nutjobs - and as a warning shot for the party about drifting too far to the left.

[Nationalist]

I liked Max.

Meh...

[SpankyMcFarland]

Canadian byelections aren’t delivering a lot of big upsets of late. Contrast that with the UK where the government dreads these things. No news is good news for the Liberals or at least not as bad news as they might have expected. 

Edited June 22, 2023 by SpankyMcFarland

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

the point of the OP, exactly, it was a space for you there. 

Now, I am not too sure how the OP is going to take my position, as it can degenerate into something else, however, that laughter of one @Michael Hardner made me respond to you.

Do you think you are the right ->? that you give these folks laughing material daily? Do you think sometimes your inability to hold up to debate made you go running to Hezbollah and Iranian news for sources just to "win"? or even to KGB sources? 

So, why would the REAL right -> in this country, the establishment right -> care about "Redacted" folks like you, when you allow your hatred for the status quo to dictate your positions? 

What's next for you, vote for leftists <- because you can't compromise?!

I liked Max.

Meh...

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I liked Max.

Meh...

I've met max a few times - he's a character and as  a person he's likeable.

And the guy got in trouble for accidentally leaving classified documents a the house of a biker chick he banged and having to go back and pick them up   That's pretty badass

But his ego is insane, and he kind of latches on to what's popular in his head.

The PPC serves a purpose being a home for a sort of 'protest vote' for hardliners on some issues, and i get that.  I also get that it cost us a few seats at a time when Justin is destroying the country.

And it makes it easy for PP to deny liberal claims that he's "far right" because he's not  the furthest right party in the eyes of the public.

But i do think it's time for him to fold it up. THey have no real support

Edited June 22, 2023 by CdnFox

[Moonbox]

Max has some charisma, but he's hardly a serious candidate.  He was an embarrassment to Harper, took his ball and left the CPC when nobody wanted him as leader, and now he's just running around looking for attention.  The People's Party of Canada sounds like something out of China.  We may as well call it, "The Good Party of Truth" or something equally inane.  

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 The People's Party of Canada sounds like something out of China.  We may as well call it, "The Good Party of Truth" or something equally inane.  

I wanted to go with "canadian united nationalist team" but unfortunately the acronym...  well anyway I got voted down.

[Moonbox]

Pretty fitting anyways. 

I wonder with guys like Maxime.  Did he believe he had a chance?  I even wonder if he knew he never did, but just wanted to push things that direction. 

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Pretty fitting anyways. 

I wonder with guys like Maxime.  Did he believe he had a chance?  I even wonder if he knew he never did, but just wanted to push things that direction. 

He did ALMOST win the nomination for conservative, and i think he convinced himself. He was certain the 'egg mafia' had gotten him in the leadership race, and that he had tonnes of support that would follow him like the pied piper as soon as he left.

He surrounded himself with people who were similarly convinced that tonnes of conservatives were anti abortion (they're not really), eveyrone hates any immigration (most don't go that far) and we can eliminate the deficit in a year (we can't without destroying the entire economy).

TO be honest - he'd have already been dead in the water if it wasn't for covid, where he found a little more support due to vaccine mandates, but that's gone.

Fun fact - research shows that he went from about 2.5 percent to just over 5 percent in the election - and at least half that growth was from GREEN PARTY voters who went over to him due to being frustrated with their own party and for anti vax reasons    Seroiusly - who'da seen that coming.

[Moonbox]

I think that's a pretty good assessment, except I don't think he was convinced of any of his supposed policies.  I have trouble believing that a Harper-era Minister was that deluded.  Like so many other politicians out there, he was just making the noises his mooks wanted to hear (especially during COVID, as you say).  

 

[myata]

Change is not possible in Canada. Red head with the blue one, at the trough forever. Abandon hope. Mutato non potest, ad mare.

Edited June 22, 2023 by myata

[Moonbox]

43 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Can I ask you a question? When everyone makes an effort to tag Your Majesty,

No effort is required to press the quote button.  

43 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

why is it that you and one @herbie do not feel the need to quote the other person when giving a response?

Because this is a forum thread, and not a bunch of email chains mashed together.  If people are interested in the thread and following it, they'll see it - especially when it directly follows what I'm responding to and still on the first page of the thread.  

Years ago we used to get mod warnings for excessive quoting, and every time I see someone quote a whole wall of text just to respond to once sentence I roll my eyes.  

43 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Are you on the VIP carpet and do not want to press a simple quote button so the other folk can get a notification and prepare a response? or is it a tactic to get the last word? 

Is that what you think I did there?  I more or less agreed with everything CdnFox said, but I needed to get the last word on that?

 

Edited June 22, 2023 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

I think that's a pretty good assessment, except I don't think he was convinced of any of his supposed policies.  I have trouble believing that a Harper-era Minister was that deluded.  Like so many other politicians out there, he was just making the noises his mooks wanted to hear (especially during COVID, as you say).  

 

Well he did cause a lot of trouble under Harper and lost his ministry position. Harper was the iron fist in the velvet glove - everyone got to have their say inside caucus but once that was done and policy was made everyone towed the line or they got their teeth broke. Sheer did not command that level of discipline.

I think that whatever he says he believes - in that moment he probably believes.

[Michael Hardner]

It's shocking to me that Bernier was so high in the Conservative government.

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, CdnFox said:

I've met max a few times - he's a character and as  a person he's likeable.

And the guy got in trouble for accidentally leaving classified documents a the house of a biker chick he banged and having to go back and pick them up   That's pretty badass

But his ego is insane, and he kind of latches on to what's popular in his head.

The PPC serves a purpose being a home for a sort of 'protest vote' for hardliners on some issues, and i get that.  I also get that it cost us a few seats at a time when Justin is destroying the country.

And it makes it easy for PP to deny liberal claims that he's "far right" because he's not  the furthest right party in the eyes of the public.

But i do think it's time for him to fold it up. THey have no real support

Yup...true enough.

Oh well.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Justin is destroying the country.

Correction: mental laziness, apathy and unwavering aversion to change do the trick. Simplification won't help in this case.

[Moonbox]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's shocking to me that Bernier was so high in the Conservative government.

It was because he was a Quebecquer.  

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Correction: mental laziness, apathy and unwavering aversion to change do the trick. Simplification won't help in this case.

OK good point.

[Moonbox]

10 hours ago, Contrarian said:

Brother, you always have an explanation for everything, instead of banking, maybe you should have been a lawyer. 

You mean I answered your question.  ?

I have enough lawyers in my family.  We didn't need another one.  

[Nefarious Banana]

Bernier's done . . . . he's just a little dog sniffin' around where big dogs p!ss.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

It was because he was a Quebecquer.  

So much for meritocracy.

We should should draft our representatives from the general population the way we do with juries.  Political parties could be more like clubs influencing like-minded people to join.  The bigger your club the greater the chances your members will be drafted.

Beyond that let MP's elect their executive and Cabinet based on the merits of individuals whose names are put forward. I suppose they could run that past the electorate one more time so everyone is more or less the same page. 

Edited June 22, 2023 by eyeball

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So much for meritocracy.

We should should draft our representatives from the general population the way we do with juries.  Political parties could be more like clubs influencing like-minded people to join.  The bigger your club the greater the chances your members will be drafted.

Beyond that let MP's elect their executive and Cabinet based on the merits of individuals whose names are put forward. I suppose they could run that past the electorate one more time so everyone is more or less the same page. 

IT's an interesting idea but there's a lot of people who like the idea of democracy   I'm not sure that they'll like the d&d approach ...  Ok so you roll a d20 and your gov't is a (rolls dice)  Theocracy!!! 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

IT's an interesting idea but there's a lot of people who like the idea of democracy   I'm not sure that they'll like the d&d approach ...  Ok so you roll a d20 and your gov't is a (rolls dice)  Theocracy!!! 

So just add more democracy.  Of course there'll always be those who want less but f**k them.

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, eyeball said:

So just add more democracy.  Of course there'll always be those who want less but f**k them.

I'm not immediately seeing where there's room in your proposed model for much democracy to be added.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

he's just a little dog sniffin' around where big dogs p!ss

Yep, the two and only ones allowed to the trough.. from the beginning days and to the end of the greatest democracy. What is change? No we haven't heard of it here.