Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

[BeaverFever]

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

I'm not sure you're using those words correctly - but i'll take a leap of faith. Which part of the 'history' did you disagree with

The part where you claim there was widespread tolerance very little homophobia or racisM before Trudeau and the current crop of liberals came around. There has ALWAYS been racism, homophobia and strife, th only thing that’s changed is that the government now acknowledges it instead of turning a blind eye to it. 
 

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Well i don't actually do any of those things  but  i'm free to do all of them. That's what freedom is.  If not - then we need to bring in gov'ts who will respect my rights and punish those who would take them.  ANd that's what people will work towards. 

Like all freedoms you are free to do them until they infringe on others. You are free to boycott Bud Light. You are not necessarily free to disrupt other people’s lives like the hooligans who crash tranny story time. Your employer is also free to terminate your employment if it decides it doesn’t want to be associated with your conduct.
 

People still have the freedom to say racist things if they wish but as always and with all freedoms there are reasonable limits and nobody ever had the privilege of saying racist things without someone calling them a racist which is what many on the right are really after these days. 

49 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

VERY long before.  And they made peace with that and gave it up 20 years ago

20 years ago is not very long.   They gave up because they lost and realized they couldn’t win on the issue so after sulking for a while there’s this revised narrative where they claim to not have been on the wrong losing side of history but they won whole in last place or something. Conservatives came around to the issue but only because “progressive” liberals changed them. Progressives normalized same sex marriage for society at large including for conservatives   Same with legal marijuana by the way, which conservatives also freaked out about. Before that it was abortion.  Conservatives also had a major 20-year freak out over Muslims who were supposedly going to kill us all but progressives kept on keeping on and conservatives eventually came back down to earth. Remember the conservatives’ anti-Muslim snitch line? That’s another example of conservatives punching people and not counting it as culture war. 
 

50 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

NOW - they're STEALING OTHER PEOPLE"S RIGHTS.

I didn’t think they are. 
 

52 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

First off - you're talking about conservatism from 100 -200 years ago. LONG ago the conservative movement became more about smaller gov't and people's rights - conserving their freedom. 

I don’t think there’s any truth to that at all. Look down south where most Red states STILL don’t allow same sex marriage for example and people like DeSantis micromanage schools and libraries from the state capitol and make special laws to punish critics like Disney and towns even have laws targeting baggy pants FFS. They are not just passive “whatever floats your boat” people AT ALL. The most permissive group of  Republicans “conservative” libertarians  are not conservative at all and are not the defining element of the party.

 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

PS i literally posed cases the other day in canada so you're a liar as well as a leftie.  But no need to repeat myself i guess.

 I haven’t seen your post ls but id they’re like the cases that I’m aware of they are workplace civil cases where a tribunal has awarded damages to an employee, and not situations where private citizens are being fined for things they said in their private life m. I’m not aware of anyone ever being jailed.  Please share the link or the thread. 
 

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Every bigot and racist has an excuse for their bigtory and racism - and you're no different.

Who am I bigoted and racist against?  Lmao. The anti-anti-racists amd the “racism doesn’t exist “ crowd on the right are the only actual racists

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The part where you claim there was widespread tolerance very little homophobia or racisM before Trudeau and the current crop of liberals came around.

Setting aside the fact i never claimed that (shame on you)  the fact is that was the case indeed. Gays were protected by law, they had weddings all the time, there was very little anti gay violence, if you were gay you were far more likely to be attacked BY a gay than BECAUSE you were gay - workplaces hired gays without a blink.

I'm sure there were pockets here and there but generally nobody gave a crap if people were gay, and the issue was long since put to bed.

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There has ALWAYS been racism, homophobia and strife, th only thing that’s changed is that the government now acknowledges it instead of turning a blind eye to it. 
 

Nope, not in any meaningful amounts. sorry .  How many organized protests where children are jumping up and down on the pride flag were there in 2005? 2010? 2015?  There are now.

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Like all freedoms you are free to do them until they infringe on others.

OH you mean like if i owned you as a slave and you wanted your freedom, it would be infringing on my rights to own slaves so you can't.

Sorry kiddo - that doesn't fly. You can't just claim 'infringement' whenever you like. If you try to steal people's rights - there is usualy a blowback

As to the rest - drivel not worth going point by point on.

Conservatives didn't lose.  They agreed. Just like the liberals had to in the end even tho they actually went to the courts to see what they could do short of gay marriage.

And it was based on the idea that 'we should let other people live their lives as they wish'.

Now - the letter people don't want that. They want to take other people's rights. They want to attack them personally and try to claim they're bad people if they have ANY concerns about taking their children to see men waive their penises at them (as i posted).

And people are getting fed up.  Ask disney. Ask bud lite.

This won't end well.

[Moonbox]

13 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

OH you mean like if i owned you as a slave and you wanted your freedom, it would be infringing on my rights to own slaves so you can't.

You can't own a slave without egregiously infringing on someone's rights.  What a great metaphor.  ?

[Zeitgeist]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure kiddo   Just like you never said jews are all nazi's right   just my imagination,, silly me

 

LOL - well i had to go waaaaay back - as far as april. LOLOL

you in april in a discussion specifically about Russian collusion in the election

"The truth is, the Benghazi scandal was completely manufactured by the media. Whereas the Russia scandal was real, but the Republicans pretend Trump didn't do anything wrong because he wasn't arrested. "

And on April 9th in a different thread:

That's not authoritarian, that's just oppo research. Also, the accusations weren't false.

 

There's a few dozen more if you like. 

I don't normally do memes - but i think you've earned a special one today

There was no Russian collusion.  Total bullshit that’s all been debunked.  I wasn’t a Trump fan but even most Democrats now acknowledge that the Russia collusion story was false.  

Edited June 12, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/11/2023 at 12:51 AM, BeaverFever said:

FACT: Islamism is a conservative movement. As the title of this thread shows the Christian right and the Islamist Right believe in many of the same things. 

Conservatives also claim that the "Black Hebrews" are on the Left, even though they agree on pretty much all of the issues. 

It just shows that racism and theocracy are part of right-wing ideology.

[Americana Antifa]

25 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

There was no Russian collusion.  Total bullshit that’s all been debunked.  I wasn’t a Trump fan but even most Democrats now acknowledge that the Russia collusion story was false.  

The narrative that the investigation was about collusion was strawmanning by Republicans. What actually happened is that Russia interfered in the election. The investigation was to see if Trump's campaign was in any way involved. And we found out that they were involved in that Russia offered them help and they accepted. Republicans couldn't defend Trump's actions, so they just kept saying there was no collusion, as if that was the only possible form of corruption.

It would be like defending Bill Cosby by saying they investigated him and found that he didn't kill anyone, then chanting "no murder" over and over to act like the investigation found nothing.

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Conservatives also claim that the "Black Hebrews" are on the Left, even though they agree on pretty much all of the issues.

They don't. 

You however have frequently and directly claimed all jews are nazis.

 

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It just shows that racism and theocracy are part of right-wing ideology.

Does your hatred of jews show that racism and theocracy are part of the left wing ideology?

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The narrative that the investigation was about collusion was strawmanning by Republicans.

 

It was literally in every single left wing publication and for most of them very frequently.    It's all the left talked about.  Of course the legal term is conspiracy but it was all 'collusion collusion collusion' on the left and how the trump presidency wasn't legitimate. 

The mueller report is very very very clear - they were looking for 'colllusion' (conspiracy) and they found none. That was their life for 3 years.

And further - it was found that investigation not only was flawed but involved illegal activity on the part of the FBI which lead to convictions. AND STILL - even cheating they couldn't find any.

And as noted there are STILL DEMOCRATS TO THIS DAY who insist trump was an illegitimate president and the russians got him elected.

And you agreed with the whole russian thing again and again and again and again,

You can't lie your way out of it now.

[CdnFox]

41 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

There was no Russian collusion.  Total bullshit that’s all been debunked.  I wasn’t a Trump fan but even most Democrats now acknowledge that the Russia collusion story was false.  

Well i don't know about 'most' - but i think for sure even the dedicated trump haters have to be seriously questioning it.

Although we have seen a number here defend it.  I mean - i don't really count AA , she's not a serious thing and she's more like comic relief around here but other posters have very aggressively tried to defend the position that trump worked with the Russians to win the election inappropriately.

I'm a trump "fan" in the same way i'm a blackadder 'fan' -  he may not be a very good person but he's frikkin' hilarious to watch and he does have some good ideas from time to time  

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

You can't own a slave without egregiously infringing on someone's rights. 

But you could. And those who felt you should be allowed to literally presented this very argument - that emancipation would be an infringement on their rights. And they DID have those rights, at the time.

So it is actually a pretty good one Somebody said that the rights of others ended where they infringed upon their rights and we correctly realized that the greater harm was to not allow the slaves to go free.' (eventually). 

It's really no different here. The rights of people don't go away just because trans people feel they have 'rights' that conflict with that.  And that's the problem - they have been acting exactly like that.

And there's a backlash. New laws are being passed right now to reign in the trans agenda's abuse of children. Companies are discovering it doesn't pay to associate with trans activists. And the gays are getting caught up in that - children are being organized to go protest in the streets and stomp on pride flags.

Say what you like - but when you try to simply override other people's rights there's going to be a problem.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I showed you an article and explained that official policy is not their only means to create problems. Thought that was clear enough. What does he mean when he says "We have to stand against this." Who is we?

It doesn't seem like you read a lot and know what's going on. I'm not going to argue with your opinion.

Actually I took it back to a few posts before the NP article you mentioned, but didn't link to.  You're against government 'moralizing'... on these matters.

That makes your position clear with respect to what you said Trudeau did.

Government painting themselves as moral, or more broadly as righteous and wise, is just something that they do.  I agree that it's annoying but when a politician opens their mouth I know that I am going to hear that type of material.

On the topic of LGBTQ, I agree that he overdoes it.  While I know lots of righteous and wise people, I wouldn't vote for them to run the country.

That said, I want all politicians to stop this topic of discussion.  The only policy change I can see coming out of it is minor changes to education policy at the price of growing disunity and even violence.

Poilievre, with outspoken gays in his inner circle, isn't likely to indulge this fad even though he voted AGAINST gay marriage.  It's further evidence of his strategic discipline IMO.

[myata]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Government painting themselves as moral, or more broadly as righteous and wise, is just something that they do.

No Mike, it's not a condescending though reluctant acceptance. In a real democracy this is NOT that democratic governments are elected to do, NOT in their job description, actually, NONE of their business and NOT AT ALL counts as an excuse for failing to deliver results in their direct responsibilities. Just as simple, none of that. Totally (almost there) opposite.

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t agree with your revisionist assessment at all.  You are free to dislike pride parades and tranny story time but when you start staging protests and boycotts because you won’t allow others to participate in those things you cross the line

So wait... it's okay to hold protests in favour of these things but it's not okay to hold protests or boycotts against those things. Have I got that right?

[BeaverFever]

19 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

So wait... it's okay to hold protests in favour of these things but it's not okay to hold protests or boycotts against those things. Have I got that right?

That’s exactly what pro-segregationists whined about during the civil rights era. “How come the negroes are good guys if they protest for equal rights but I’m a bad guy if protest AGAINST them having equal rights?”

 

See the difference?  It’s not ok to advocate for persecution and discrimination and depriving others of their freedoms. That’s not what “freedom” is about. 

[Americana Antifa]

9 hours ago, CdnFox said:

You however have frequently and directly claimed all jews are nazis.

I know you're just doing some triggered trolling when you say that, but you eventually admitted that, by your own definition, you're a nazi. So you're not really helping your case there.

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I know you're just doing some triggered trolling when you say that, but you eventually admitted that, by your own definition, you're a nazi. So you're not really helping your case there.

"I Know you are but what am I" - LOL well it's not like we expect intelligent responses from you 

You actually did say jews are nazis in several contexts across many many threads AND stated that the isreal gov't was nazi.   You didnt' just do these once as a slip of the tounge. I had to actually point out that you were spreading hatred under canadian law to get you to stop  You'd also bring up jews as the 'source of problems" and make other anti semetic remarks.

I have never once claimed i'm a nazi under my own or any other definition   ANd the definition i gave of nazi is the dictionary one.   

And let face it - to you everyone right of Castro is a nazi

 

 

[Americana Antifa]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

"I Know you are but what am I" - LOL well it's not like we expect intelligent responses from you 

Well keep in mind, I said I don't think you're a nazi. It's only by your own definition that you are.

So yeah, there actually is some projection on your part here. Same with claiming I'm mad when I post memes. You post a buttload of smilies when you're big mad, so sad.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Americana Antifa said:

Well keep in mind, I said I don't think you're a nazi. It's only by your own definition that you are.

ROFLMAO - Sure kid  

 

[Americana Antifa]

Just now, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO - Sure kid  

 

You said that a person who accepts nazis is a nazi. And you accept and defend nazis because they're a big portion of the Right. Sooooo.... ?‍♀️

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You said that a person who accepts nazis is a nazi. And you accept and defend nazis because they're a big portion of the Right. Sooooo.... ?‍♀️

Well thanks for posting that you lied  

You need YOUR definition of nazis to claim i defend and accept nazis  Saying jordan peterson isn't a bad guy isn't accepting nazis   

Your brain sees nothing but nazis  - so for you if i support anyone right of castro i'm supporting nazis ?

these 'nazis' ... are they in the room with you right now? LOLOL

[Americana Antifa]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Well thanks for posting that you lied  

You need YOUR definition of nazis to claim i defend and accept nazis  Saying jordan peterson isn't a bad guy isn't accepting nazis   

Well I don't think Peterson is a nazi either. I just think his brain is soup so he doesn't realize he's constantly promoting nazism.

But you defended actual nazis being accepted by the Right, I'm guessing because you know that the Right needs their votes to stay in power.

[Guest]

Actual Nazis in Florida:

https://twitter.com/TGearhardt/status/1668025179010748416?s=20

Probably protesting for a more equitable distribution of wealth, or more socialized medicine, or something like that.

[CdnFox]

20 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Well I don't think Peterson is a nazi either. I just think his brain is soup so he doesn't realize he's constantly promoting nazism.

Ahhhh - he's UNCONSCIOUSLY  a nazi! Gotcha!  Because being a anzi by accident is a thing.  Like .. you could trip and fall and be a nazi if you were not careful   LOL

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But you defended actual nazis being accepted by the Right, I'm guessing because you know that the Right needs their votes to stay in power.

Sigh - ok, i'll bite. Who are these nazis   Should be good for a laugh

[myata]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s exactly what pro-segregationists whined about during the civil rights era. “How come the negroes are good guys if they protest for equal rights but I’m a bad guy if protest AGAINST them having equal rights?”

By that logic, anything can be a "right"? Or only the special topics appointed by the Wisest Ever Central Committee of Social Engineering? Do I have a right to identify as a CEO, and sure do come out to affirm my rights to identity, but don't even,ever think of questioning it!

Sound like a plan?

[I am Groot]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s exactly what pro-segregationists whined about during the civil rights era. “How come the negroes are good guys if they protest for equal rights but I’m a bad guy if protest AGAINST them having equal rights?”

See the difference?  It’s not ok to advocate for persecution and discrimination and depriving others of their freedoms. That’s not what “freedom” is about. 

Nice strawman. Nobody is advocating for persecution or discrimination beyond those justified by the obvious physical differences between males and females. What people are saying is that children should not be bothered by the fanatic gender adjusting mob of social activists and should be left alone at least until they know what sex and sexuality are. 

Protesting against lunatic progressive teachers pushing their completely unscientific gender fluidity bullshit onto bewildered kids is not akin to protesting against 'freedom' for negroes.