Just how pointless and stupid our climate reductions efforts are

[Goddess]

40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I never said there were no places to build dams or increase hydro capacity. I challenged you to name rivers we can dam and you provided basically nothing. I also debunked your claim that there are thousands of practical sites for run of river. 

The longer we do nothing to mitigate the causes, the more severe the consequences and the less time we will have to adapt to them. That should be obvious even to you.

As an observer, he provided you lots of information and you debunked nothing.

Just sayin'......

[Deluge]

On 5/30/2023 at 10:56 AM, I am Groot said:

Tony Keller lays it all out pretty clearly in this Globe and Mail column.

Canada's emissions constitute 1.5% and falling. China's emissions have been increasing at the rate of Canada's ENTIRE emissions every two years. Think about that, those so anxious about the oilsands emissions. The oilsands represent 11% of Canada's emissions. So China alone is adding almost 5 of them every single year! Five new oilsands pop up in China every year! And China isn't alone. Throughout the developing world other countries, India, Malaysia, and Vietnam, all of them are increasing their emissions. The developing world now represents 70% of CO2 emissions and they are not slowing down. They're growing them as fast as possible, adding more coal plants every year.

We're going to bankrupt ourselves making our energy ever more expensive, punishing Canadians and Canadian corporations, punishing Canadian manufacturers so they move to places with no carbon taxes and cheap energy like uh, Vietnam and China and India and Malaysia - while the rest of the world is building coal plants. We're putting every roadblock we can in the way of developing and exporting natural gas that could cause some of those countries to ditch coal while seeking to close down as much of our energy industry as possible.

For what? It's not going to help a goddam thing. All it is is virtue signaling. It's so Trudeau can stand on a stage, lift his chin and look smug and noble.

Take China. It is now the biggest polluter, by far. Its emissions more than doubled between 2002 and 2010, as Canada’s flatlined. China’s emissions grew at a pace equivalent to adding an extra Canada’s worth of carbon into the atmosphere each year, for eight years in a row. China’s growth has since slowed; it’s now adding new carbon emissions at rate of one Canada every two years.

China produces a third of the world’s emissions, more than all of the developed world. That’s more than 20 times Canada’s carbon output.

And China has company. India’s emissions, barely higher than Canada’s in 1990, now equal those of the EU. Indonesia, whose emissions were a third of Canada’s in 1990, is now a bigger polluter than us.

Or consider Vietnam. I travelled the country for a few dollars a day in the 1990s when its official name, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam, still meant something. There were no bank machines, the national airline flew Soviet jets inherited from defunct East Germany, cars were a rarity and electricity demand was minimal. In 1990, Britain’s carbon output was more than 2,500 per cent larger than Vietnam’s. By 2021, the two countries were level – because Britain nearly halved its emissions, while Vietnam’s carbon output increased 16-fold.

 

https://archive.is/xMAEs

China doesn't count. 

-- The Left

[Aristides]

13 minutes ago, Goddess said:

As an observer, he provided you lots of information and you debunked nothing.

Just sayin'......

He did not. He said we have lots of rivers left to dam and when I challenged him he named one river that has already been dammed twice. He said there were thousands of viable run of river sites when the source he quoted identified only 121 that were economically viable.  What good are run of river sites in the middle of nowhere which would cost a ton and do lots of environmental damage to tie to the grid?

Edited August 15, 2023 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

I never said there were no places to build dams or increase hydro capacity.[

Yeah you did. Go back and read it.

Again  - more dishonesty.  And you whine about being called a name. Tard.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Yeah you did. Go back and read it.

Again  - more dishonesty.  And you whine about being called a name. Tard.

I said name two. You came up with the Peace which has already been dammed twice. WAC Bennett and Site C. Do you want to dam the Fraser and Skeena as well?

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I said name two.

No you said "we have no more rivers left to dam".

those were your exact words.  None. Zero.  None of our rivers can be dammed.

But in fact we DO have rivers left to dam, MOST of the rivers we've already damed can have other locations and the peace river can take TWO more which have already been identified.

So we do have rivers we can dam.

So you're a lying sack of shit who's trying desperately to re write what he said because it was SO AMAZINGLY stupid.

So why the hell would we take you seriously? You can't even be honest about what you actually said. You can't even be a man and say "well i guess there are a few more places we could build dams" -  no, instead you've got to be a p*ssy and try to twist your own words and claim "well what i REALLY meant when i said no rivers is blah blah blah"So - given that level of dishonesty why would anyone treat anything you say seriously in the slightest? Even YOU can't agree with what you said.

 

On 8/8/2023 at 5:40 PM, Aristides said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/marine-heat-wave-off-pacific-coast-could-prove-dangerous-for-wildlife-1.6930686

 

The carbon tax should fix that.

Edited August 15, 2023 by CdnFox

[Aristides]

 

Again, name calling.

Where can the Peace take two more? The reservoir from Site C extends almost to Hudson Hope and more than half way to the Bennett dam. Downstream of Site C it isn't far to the Alberta border. Try looking at a map sometime. Just because studies may have identified five possible sites where a dam could be located, doesn't mean all five can be built.

For the last time, I do not support carbon taxes, it just penalizes people who cannot afford to change. You can't punish people who are barely making it into making expensive changes.

Don't throw JT at me, he is a p**s poor example. He is the guy who took his family on a private flight to Costa Rica for a summer vacation. He has no business preaching to anyone. 

[ExFlyer]

59 minutes ago, Deluge said:

China doesn't count. 

-- The Left  Canada

Fixed for ya

[ExFlyer]

43 minutes ago, Aristides said:

I said name two. You came up with the Peace which has already been dammed twice. WAC Bennett and Site C. Do you want to dam the Fraser and Skeena as well?

His point was that he said there are lots of rivers that can be dammed. And he is right.

You then went off on a rant about how long the wires would be without realizing there are already many thousands of miles of wires associated with hydro dams already.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

China would still have had a lot of power either way.

And we would still have our own manufacturing base. Now they have that too.

All we have are know-it-alls like you to remind us all how wrong the rest of us always were and will be.

Admit it, you admire the basic dictatorship that allows China to get things done don't you?

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

His point was that he said there are lots of rivers that can be dammed. And he is right.

You then went off on a rant about how long the wires would be without realizing there are already many thousands of miles of wires associated with hydro dams already.

Like where? I keep asking.

Yes there are long wires, almost all from large hydro projects. Unless several run of river projects close to each other can be linked together, each will require a dedicated line connecting it to the grid. Every line travelling through bush is a potential fire source if not maintained properly. The Camp Fire in Northern California was caused by poorly maintained PGE hydro wires. That fire was the world's most expensive natural disaster in 2018 and killed 85 people.

[CdnFox]

40 minutes ago, Aristides said:

 

Again, name calling.

Because you are again, lying and being dishonest.  See how that works?

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Where can the Peace take two more?

Sites d and e.  That's already been long established.  And now you're just repeating the arguments that have already been shot down.

Show me a single engineers report that says otherwise, Show me one that says we can't build any more dams in bc.  You useless m0ron.  You whine and cry like a biatch about other people providing proof - where's yours?

Maybe stop being a lying sack of grit and start being honest and people will take you seriously.

[Aristides]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Because you are again, lying and being dishonest.  See how that works?

Sites d and e.  That's already been long established.  And now you're just repeating the arguments that have already been shot down.

Show me a single engineers report that says otherwise, Show me one that says we can't build any more dams in bc.  You useless m0ron.  You whine and cry like a biatch about other people providing proof - where's yours?

Maybe stop being a lying sack of grit and start being honest and people will take you seriously.

Yeesh. Proposed Site D is in Alberta. Where is Site E?

[CdnFox]

11 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Yeesh. Proposed Site D is in Alberta. Where is Site E?

Is it.  Is it really. You woulnd't say that all 5 are between hudsons hope and the alberta border.

Why don't you post the link to where you're seeing the site d dam location.  I have a funny feeling you've messed up and confused it with a different project and i know the one, but hey - maybe i'm wrong.  Go ahead and post that.  If i'm wrong i'll apologize about the site d location.   If you're lying ... well we'll deal with that then. 

[Aristides]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Is it.  Is it really. You woulnd't say that all 5 are between hudsons hope and the alberta border.

Why don't you post the link to where you're seeing the site d dam location.  I have a funny feeling you've messed up and confused it with a different project and i know the one, but hey - maybe i'm wrong.  Go ahead and post that.  If i'm wrong i'll apologize about the site d location.   If you're lying ... well we'll deal with that then. 

Why don't you show me where it is.

Edited August 15, 2023 by Aristides

[CdnFox]

15 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Why don't you show me where it is.

 

So you f*cked up and you don't even know     You just made it up that it was in Alberta   ROFLMAO - wow, what a complete loser you are ROFLMAO!!!!

 

man - like i said, you're just a lying sack.  Did you honestly think i was stupid enough not to know that all these sites were in bc? They're scattered between hudson's hope and the border,

Why do you do this? Why make yourself look so pathetic? There's NO value in it, all you're doing is making people convinced that everything ELSE you say is a lie as well - what the hell is the point? Is it just compulsive with you?

[Nefarious Banana]

8 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So you f*cked up and you don't even know     You just made it up that it was in Alberta   ROFLMAO - wow, what a complete loser you are ROFLMAO!!!!

 

man - like i said, you're just a lying sack.  Did you honestly think i was stupid enough not to know that all these sites were in bc? They're scattered between hudson's hope and the border,

Why do you do this? Why make yourself look so pathetic? There's NO value in it, all you're doing is making people convinced that everything ELSE you say is a lie as well - what the hell is the point? Is it just compulsive with you?

Have you considered an 'Anger Management' program, or perhaps a refresher for a previous Anger Management program?  Help is there for you . . . seek it out.

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

He did not. He said we have lots of rivers left to dam and when I challenged him he named one river that has already been dammed twice. He said there were thousands of viable run of river sites when the source he quoted identified only 121 that were economically viable.  What good are run of river sites in the middle of nowhere which would cost a ton and do lots of environmental damage to tie to the grid?

Both of NFLD massive dam projects are in the middle of no where, they managed to set up the infra structure ... NFLD is contemplating the Atlantic loop, which would mean laying of sea cables to the NS, NB, PEI, and then into Maine, and other states...I guess if the project was large enough it would be cost effective...I just wish we got off the bus and started to do something, anything...

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Like where? I keep asking.

Yes there are long wires, almost all from large hydro projects. Unless several run of river projects close to each other can be linked together, each will require a dedicated line connecting it to the grid. Every line travelling through bush is a potential fire source if not maintained properly. The Camp Fire in Northern California was caused by poorly maintained PGE hydro wires. That fire was the world's most expensive natural disaster in 2018 and killed 85 people.

In case you are unaware, any river can be dammed for a hydro dam. As for what rivers, well, I do not know the names rivers of all the BC rivers or how many are in BC .

Large long wires will be needed for any hydro project. You cannot just plug in to your toaster wire LOL

You are also aware, or should be that hydro wires run in a cleared right of way passages

You do know that more fires are caused by unattended campfires, careless smokers, lightning strikes? 

You have no points.

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Both of NFLD massive dam projects are in the middle of no where, they managed to set up the infra structure ... NFLD is contemplating the Atlantic loop, which would mean laying of sea cables to the NS, NB, PEI, and then into Maine, and other states...I guess if the project was large enough it would be cost effective...I just wish we got off the bus and started to do something, anything...

As i posted - BC has tonnes of hydro capacity and Ar-hole thinks site D is in alberta

NFLD of course has massive hydro potential and if they hadn't gotten completely screwed by quebec would be selling surplus at a pretty penny to the us right now. That 'atlantic loop' would provide for that as well.

There's still lots of hydro potential out there. This guy's an !diot.

[Aristides]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

As i posted - BC has tonnes of hydro capacity and Ar-hole thinks site D is in alberta

NFLD of course has massive hydro potential and if they hadn't gotten completely screwed by quebec would be selling surplus at a pretty penny to the us right now. That 'atlantic loop' would provide for that as well.

There's still lots of hydro potential out there. This guy's an !diot.

Name calling again.

You claim there is a Site D and E. Where are they? Put up or STFU.

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Aristides said:

Name calling again.

 

Being a lying sack of crap again

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You claim there is a Site D and E. Where are they? Put up or STFU.

NOT in alberta dipshit.

I've posted plenty of documents so far - where's the one you were going to provide to prove that site d is in alberta? Or the one saying we don't have any more places to build dams?

What a garbage person.

[Aristides]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Being a lying sack of crap again

NOT in alberta dipshit.

I've posted plenty of documents so far - where's the one you were going to provide to prove that site d is in alberta? Or the one saying we don't have any more places to build dams?

What a garbage person.

The only reference I can find of another proposed dam site on the Peace is this. IN ALBERTA!

https://www.alaskahighwaynews.ca/local-business/another-dam-on-the-peace-river-plans-in-motion-for-site-near-dunvegan-3490870
https://watershedsentinel.ca/articles/mega-dam-proposed-for-peace-river/

If you can show me another, please do. 

Otherwise, stick your insults where the sun don't shine.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Aristides said:

The only reference I can find of another proposed dam site on the Peace is this. IN ALBERTA!

 

Thought so. 

That's because you don't know what the eff you're talking about and would rather lie than tell the truth and be a man about it.

Look at the very first line - "It’s not called “Site D,” "

But so what - if the truth don't fit, lie about it.

Sites a-e are precisely where i said. They're between Hudson Hope and the alberta border.  I even gave you that hint so you could back out gracefully and look it up.

But you don't care about the truth.  You don't care about climate change, you don't care about Hydro power - you care about virtue signalling and your echo  chamber and you'll lie like hell to protect it.  I find that pretty disgusting.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Thought so. 

That's because you don't know what the eff you're talking about and would rather lie than tell the truth and be a man about it.

Look at the very first line - "It’s not called “Site D,” "

But so what - if the truth don't fit, lie about it.

Sites a-e are precisely where i said. They're between Hudson Hope and the alberta border.  I even gave you that hint so you could back out gracefully and look it up.

But you don't care about the truth.  You don't care about climate change, you don't care about Hydro power - you care about virtue signalling and your echo  chamber and you'll lie like hell to protect it.  I find that pretty disgusting.

So show we where the proposed Sites D and E are or p**s off.

What I don't care for is your bullshit and insults.

Edited August 16, 2023 by Aristides