The Insanity of modern Conservatism

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Doesn't that describe Trump perfectly?

 

 

Not even a little bit.  But someone trying to spread misinformation and lie in order to promote her own unpopular political agenda might think so.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

The VAST MAJORITY of intellectuals in the US including MOST teachers and professors are NOT CONSERVATIVES. AKA, the smartest people.

Not the smartest people, according to actual iq research.  The most indocrnated in academia.  That is not the same.

The universities are extremely left wing.  Even in canada this has been a problem (linsey sheppard).  So - anyone who gets through it tends to be left of center for a while .

The actual smartest people and people who achieve the most tend to be republican.

And then there's the mix in the middle. And they tend to be the ones who decide elections.

[reason10]

19 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Doesn't that describe Trump perfectly? He's constantly whining about how he's a victim, but never takes responsibility for the bad things he does.

Does this mean Trump is... ... ... WOKE?!

What bad things? Giving America the greatest economy since Reagan? Bringing HIGH PAYING MANUFACTURING JOBS back to our shorts? Causing gasoline prices to PLUMMET? Securing the border? Almost obliterating inflation? Bringing peace to the Middle East for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY?

I think America would be better off with ALL these "bad things." Certainly the unelected pedophile has done nothing but damage to America and the world.

[reason10]

17 hours ago, robosmith said:

The VAST MAJORITY of intellectuals in the US including MOST teachers and professors are NOT CONSERVATIVES. AKA, the smartest people.

Pseudo Intellectuals. They are legends in their own minds. The TRUE brains of the country create and own the companies that create jobs and provide goods and services and virtually NONE of them are triggered, limp wristed goose stepping liberals.

The best teachers in America are in RED STATES (regardless of what your LYING left wing rags try to say.) They are conservative. They produce the best graduates  in America.

Liberal professors produce a bunch of m0rons with lesbian dance theory degrees who can't get a burger flipping job but are six figures in debt through student loans. Excuse me, but these are not only NOT intelligent, they are ripping the country off.

A plumbing or welding instructor in a low priced community college produces more high paying job earners than ANY university spitting out gender studies, philosophy, sociology, lesbian dance theory degrees.

[Legato]

18 hours ago, robosmith said:

The VAST MAJORITY of intellectuals in the US including MOST teachers and professors are NOT CONSERVATIVES. AKA, the smartest people.

You are confusing highly educated with smart. They are not the same thing.

The world is full of highly educated derelicts Those that can do, those that can't teach.

[reason10]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

You are confusing highly educated with smart. They are not the same thing.

The world is full of highly educated derelicts Those that can do, those that can't teach.

Agreed. A person can have a DOCTORATE in gender studies and be totally STUPID and unemployable.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Agreed. A person can have a DOCTORATE in gender studies and be totally STUPID and unemployable.

And if we're being honest the mere fact that they decided they wanted to spend all their money on that kind of a degree in the first place is a pretty darn good indicator that they're stupid to begin with.

[WestCanMan]

On 5/4/2023 at 3:59 PM, Americana Antifa said:

I have no problem rationally discussing why democracy is the lesser evil to autocracy. I only roast people when I see that they're not being good faith.

You're part of a group that throws molotov cocktails and shoots fireworks at police while they're trying to stop violent riots. You guys smash and burn, loot, harass and attack government buildings for no good reason.

Then you pretend that the other people who are the most visible, vocal part of your group aren't really in your group. "Antifa isn't organized, we're just a bunch of lone-wolf terrorists who all just say that we belong to a group called Antifa that doesn't really exist." 

The pedophile, the woman beater and the burglar that Rittenhouse shot were all Antifa drones. 

23 of your fellow losers were just arrested in Atlanta for domestic terrorism, including an SPLC lawyer. 

That's your group. 

You're here pretending to be an upstanding citizen and even a SJW when you're really the exact opposite. You're a useful 1d-10T for the Dems and a domestic terrorist, and yet here you are accusing others of not talking in good faith lol. 

[WestCanMan]

44 minutes ago, reason10 said:

Agreed. A person can have a DOCTORATE in gender studies and be totally STUPID and unemployable.

TBH, it's almost proof of that. 

[robosmith]

On 5/5/2023 at 3:39 PM, CdnFox said:

Not the smartest people, according to actual iq research.  The most indocrnated in academia.  That is not the same.

The universities are extremely left wing.  Even in canada this has been a problem (linsey sheppard).  So - anyone who gets through it tends to be left of center for a while .

The actual smartest people and people who achieve the most tend to be republican.

And then there's the mix in the middle. And they tend to be the ones who decide elections.

Achievement is usually much more related to working hard and/or inheritance. Smart people are those who LEARN EASILY.

Where is YOUR "iq research"? "indocrnated in academia" LMAO

[robosmith]

7 hours ago, Legato said:

You are confusing highly educated with smart. They are not the same thing.

The world is full of highly educated derelicts Those that can do, those that can't teach.

Smart MEANS the ability to easily learn. AKA, absorb knowledge. 

Those who learn the most are usually the smartest due to PRACTICE in learning.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, reason10 said:

Agreed. A person can have a DOCTORATE in gender studies and be totally STUPID and unemployable.

Employable means NOTHING wrt intelligence. Much more to do with AMBITION.

[robosmith]

6 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And if we're being honest the mere fact that they decided they wanted to spend all their money on that kind of a degree in the first place is a pretty darn good indicator that they're stupid to begin with.

No REASON to believe ^this OPINION.

[Americana Antifa]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

You're part of a group that throws molotov cocktails and shoots fireworks at police while they're trying to stop violent riots. You guys smash and burn, loot, harass and attack government buildings for no good reason.

See, this is what I mean. I've said several times that I'm against rioting and so are most anti-fascists, the media just obsesses over the fringe cases.

But you have to keep repeating your NPC talking-point because you know you can't defend your stance on the issues.

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/5/2023 at 6:10 PM, CdnFox said:

Not even a little bit.  But someone trying to spread misinformation and lie in order to promote her own unpopular political agenda might think so.

You don't think Trump plays the victim constantly? Really?

Do you think you might be a simp?

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Achievement is usually much more related to working hard and/or inheritance. Smart people are those who LEARN EASILY.

Well that's not really what IQ means.  And being able to regurgitate what a teacher wants to hear is not a sign of intelligence at all. Like i said - those same people often do very mediocre at iq tests. You're basically just learning a method.

You are correct that success in business not always an indicator of intelligence either of course, but it is more often than academia. Success in business does require the ability to learn, memorize, conceptualize patterns and processes and analyze results - but it also is about work ethic and a certain drive and focus that's not intellect related.

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Where is YOUR "iq research"? "indocrnated in academia" LMAO

Well there's quite a bit of it out there  

For quite a while it was believed that learning makes you smarter, so people who stayed in academia would tend to be smarter because they continued learning,  However - more recent research (which is not exactly smiled upon by the academics ? ) suggests that's not how it works.

Obviously it also depends on how you're measuring 'smart'.

But it tunrs out if you take them outside of their academic setting and test their intelligence in environments they're unfamiliar with then they do far less  well.

And of course academia does weed out people who are not at least at the average intellect. So - from that perspective the average iq would  be higher than the general population - but it would also be the case for many many groups, such as salespeople or even middle management. Basically any group where a little intelligence is needed to succeed rather than just physical ability.

Perhaps predictably there are some exceptions. The science and technology branches tend to have actual notable higher iq's. But that's it. And they don't get into politics as much    Math only became racist recently

[Americana Antifa]

9 hours ago, reason10 said:

What bad things? Giving America the greatest economy since Reagan?

Trump inherited a growing economy from Obama, then destroyed it by failing to handle covid.

The only way this talking-point works is if you give Trump credit for what Obama did, but then totally ignore the part where the economy fell apart. It's the highest degree of biased selection.

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Bringing HIGH PAYING MANUFACTURING JOBS back to our shorts?

Trump had a net loss of jobs. Outsourcing grew while he was president.

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Causing gasoline prices to PLUMMET? Securing the border? Almost obliterating inflation?

Gas prices plummeted because so few people were driving during the pandemic. Gas prices dropped all over the world during this time. When the lockdowns ended and people started driving again, the prices went up again. That's why inflation is up all over the world. This is basic economics. The demand goes down, the prices goes down. Demand increases, so does the price.

As for the border, Trump didn't actually do much and Biden hasn't changed much. Immigration in general went down during covid. Trump did implement Title 42, which was good. But it's not like he did much on immigration reform as president. It was mostly just rhetoric and racist tweets.

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Bringing peace to the Middle East for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY?

WT actual F are you talking about? There wasn't peace in the Middle East at any point when Trump was president. He actually increased the drone strikes that Obama started.

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I think America would be better off with ALL these "bad things." Certainly the unelected pedophile has done nothing but damage to America and the world.

Yeeeeeah, if you're trying to defend Trump, maybe don't bring up pedophilia. This is a guy who used to rape children with Epstein.

[CdnFox]

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Trump inherited a growing economy from Obama, then destroyed it by failing to handle covid.

Trump inherited a weakly growing economy - vastly improved it - and did better than most for covid.

Meanwhile biden's policies sent inflation skyrocketing and has set the economy up for a disaster.

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The only way this talking-point works is if you give Trump credit for what Obama did,

Nope - the world was on a rebound and obama was holding growth back.  Really you could argue that all Trump did was get the gov't out of the economy's way.  Stocks shot up, investment shot up, jobs shot up.  You have to really cherry pick the numbers to try to make it look otherwise.

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Trump had a net loss of jobs. Outsourcing grew while he was president

Nope. Sorry kiddo. Unemployment fell every year trump was in. And the number of jobs grew.

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Gas prices plummeted because so few people were driving during the pandemic.

Gas prices plummeted years before the pandemic. The pandemic started in 2020.

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

As for the border, Trump didn't actually do much and Biden hasn't changed much.

Well trump didn't do MUCH - and biden did indeed do some pretty nasty stuff, but that was really necessary during covid so hard to really hold him to account.

But - i do remember how lefies like you SCREEEEEEMMMED  when trump was in about how INHUUUUMMAAAAANNNNEEE the border situation was.  Biden is doing exactly the same things or worse and ...  silence. Amazing!  all we had to do to fix the problems at the border was let a democrat do exactly what was happening before

The left are hypocrites

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

WT actual F are you talking about? There wasn't peace in the Middle East at any point when Trump was president. He actually increased the drone strikes that Obama started.

No sparky. Trump did the first middle east peace deal in many decades between isreal and arab states.

Opsie - forgot that did you. The democrats couldn't but trump did.

AND he didnt' start any wars. Not one.  First president in ages that didn't.  Obama did.

Sucks to be you

If you have to lie to make a point - you don't have a very good point

19 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yeeeeeah, if you're trying to defend Trump, maybe don't bring up pedophilia. This is a guy who used to rape children with Epstein.

Sure - him and obama right? I heard about that.

Kid - if you're going to be doing THAT kind of reaching you better be doing your stretching first

 

And once again you're demonstrably wrong on pretty much every thing.   I have to say, having you here really does make it easy to show everyone why the left is so wrong these days  

Why don't you show us how broken you are and post a meme?

[reason10]

Trump inherited a growing economy from Obama, then destroyed it by failing to handle covid.

That is a LIE. Trump inherited the WORST unemployment numbers since the Great Depression, along with spiraling gasoline prices and a MIddle East about to explode, thanks to the AMERICAN MILITARY HARDWARE donated to ISIS by an incompetent Obama.

(Earth to goose stepper. Unemployment figures are tabulated ONLY by those filing for unemployment, which doesn't take into consideration the RECORD NUMBERS OF UNEMPLOYED WORKERS WHO JUST GAVE UP LOOKING FOR A JOB THANKS TO OBAMA'S DISASTROUS SOCIALIST POLICIES.)

Almost single handedly, Trump did a Reagan and caused gasoline prices to PLUMMET. His tax cuts brought HIGH PAYING MANUFACTURING JOBS back from the Far East. His foreign policy destroyed ISIS and brought peace to the Middle East for the FIRST TIME IN HISTORY.

And the Covid crisis (which should be called the OBAMA VIRUS) originated in a Chinese lab that OBAMA PAID FOR WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

The economy was beginning to expand before the Democrat Party engaged in voter fraud and put a pedophile in the  White House. That PEDOPHILE reversed ALL the Trump gains, giving us the WORST inflation in history, along with HISTORIC HIGH GAS PRICES.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, reason10 said:

That is a LIE. Trump inherited the WORST unemployment numbers since the Great Depression, along with

Gotta say bud,  you're not correct there. Unemployment was improving with a slow recovery from the 2009 great recession. There was actually improvement.

It was far less improvement than it should have been - slow and sluggish - but it was on the mend. Trump boosted the economy when he got in, and it did significantly better for a year and then settled down to more modest growth. So you can fairly say trump did better than obama and got things on track, but you can't say the economy was sliding under obama. 

[reason10]

27 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Gotta say bud,  you're not correct there. Unemployment was improving with a slow recovery from the 2009 great recession. There was actually improvement.

It was far less improvement than it should have been - slow and sluggish - but it was on the mend. Trump boosted the economy when he got in, and it did significantly better for a year and then settled down to more modest growth. So you can fairly say trump did better than obama and got things on track, but you can't say the economy was sliding under obama. 

The 2009 recession was a mild one, and it was created by the Sub Prime Mortgage, which LAWYER OBAMA caused while working for ACORN. HE IS THE CAUSE OF THAT RECESSION and his PORKulus spending EXTENDED it a few years. Left alone, it would have worked itself out by spring. 

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fingerprints-of-obama-on-subprime-foreclosure-crisis/

How Obama Bankrupted Black Homeowners

The Obama Record: The Obama camp's running a new ad reminding African-Americans of all he's done for them as they weather an economic crisis he "inherited." Left out is his own role in their predicament.

The press has never questioned the president about his involvement. But his fingerprints are there.

Before the crisis, Obama pushed thousands of credit-poor blacks into homes they couldn't afford. As a civil-rights attorney, he sued banks to rubberstamp mortgages for urban residents.

Many are now in foreclosure. In fact, the lead client in one of his class-action suits has since lost her home and filed bankruptcy.

Obama put record numbers of people in poverty.

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/media-dont-cover-disastrous-obama-economy/

Failed Obama Policies Put More Americans In Poverty

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/number-of-long-term-unemployed-unprecedented-under-obama

Again, the ONLY way the left wing fake news rags track unemployment is by the number of filings for unemployment, which do not reflect those who have given up trying to find a job, and THAT number was at an all time HIGH under the Kenyan Village !diot.
 

The TRUMP record?

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/trump-administration-accomplishments/

Before the China Virus invaded our shores, we built the world’s most prosperous economy.

• America gained 7 million new jobs – more than three times government experts’ projections.
• Middle-Class family income increased nearly $6,000 – more than five times the gains during the entire previous administration.
• The unemployment rate reached 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century.
• Achieved 40 months in a row with more job openings than job-hirings.
• More Americans reported being employed than ever before – nearly 160 million.
• Jobless claims hit a nearly 50-year low.
• The number of people claiming unemployment insurance as a share of the population hit its lowest on record.
• Incomes rose in every single metro area in the United States for the first time in nearly 3 decades.

Delivered a future of greater promise and opportunity for citizens of all backgrounds.

• Unemployment rates for African Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, veterans, individuals with disabilities, and those without a high school diploma all reached record lows.
• Unemployment for women hit its lowest rate in nearly 70 years.
• Lifted nearly 7 million people off of food stamps.
• Poverty rates for African Americans and Hispanic Americans reached record lows.
• Income inequality fell for two straight years, and by the largest amount in over a decade.
• The bottom 50 percent of American households saw a 40 percent increase in net worth.
• Wages rose fastest for low-income and blue collar workers – a 16 percent pay increase.
• African American homeownership increased from 41.7 percent to 46.4 percent.

Brought jobs, factories, and industries back to the USA.

• Created more than 1.2 million manufacturing and construction jobs.
• Put in place policies to bring back supply chains from overseas.
• Small business optimism broke a 35-year old record in 2018.

That is a better record than any TEN Democrat presidents combined.

[CdnFox]

55 minutes ago, reason10 said:

The 2009 recession was a mild one, and it was created by the Sub Prime Mortgage, which LAWYER OBAMA caused while working for ACORN.

I'm sorry but that's just not true.  The recession was comfortably the worst since the great depression. That's why it was called the 'great recession'.

And while it was caused by the sub prime market crash, that was a direct result of the democrats and Clinton's policies. They decided that everyone should have a house and made it so that even people who weren't workking but were LOOKING for work could qualify for a mortgage.

Clinton knew it was a mistake later. He tried to get them to roll some of it back but the dems wouldn't let him.

That's what lead to it  Not obama,

Now obama was a dem, and he was in politics, so he's SORT OF connected - but the subprime crash is not his doing.

55 minutes ago, reason10 said:

 

That is a better record than any TEN Democrat presidents combined.

No. No it isn't. And the stats you gave weren't quite accurate and were heavily cherry picked.

Dems lie to make their points.  Conservatives don't need to. Don't be a dem.

The great recession was caused by the dems, and obama was a dem, but obama didnt' cause the recession directly. Lets keep it real.

And trump did well, but not astoundingly well. His tax cuts never did quite pay for themselves as he thought they would, but they did bump the economy up for a year, and if covid hadn't happened he might well have bumped it again.  Trade, jobs, pay, all that was a GOOD job, but not a stunning one.

Unless you compare it to Biden of course Then it's practically herculean

[Deluge]

On 5/3/2023 at 1:35 PM, Americana Antifa said:

 

What this degenerate doesn't understand is that it's virtually impossible to have a healthy economy when woke ideas, gun restriction talk (attack on the 2nd Amendment) and election rigging are all thriving - they literally stand in the way of a free society. Liberals being angry is just their natural reaction to truth and liberty. 

Edited May 7, 2023 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

What this degenerate doesn't understand is that it's virtually impossible to have a healthy economy when woke ideas, gun restriction talk (attack on the 2nd Amendment) and election rigging are all thriving - they literally stand in the way of a free society. Liberals being angry is just their natural reaction to truth and liberty. 

Well worse - they stand in the way of honest discussion about the real issues.

There's a lot of things that the gov't of the us should be working on, But they don't because of this pointless ideological bickering sucking all the air out of the room.

And because the dems lie so hardcore about issues like gun control, it makes it impossible to discuss even when they're NOT being ridiculous because nobody trusts them.

Democrats have always been about dividing people and then taking a side they think will win, whether it was the pro slavery stance of yesteryear or the culture wars of today,  But - they've gone so far down that road that the country's fabric is starting to tear and the divisions become the focus instead of the problems.

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

What this degenerate doesn't understand is that it's virtually impossible to have a healthy economy when woke ideas, gun restriction talk (attack on the 2nd Amendment) and election rigging are all thriving - they literally stand in the way of a free society. Liberals being angry is just their natural reaction to truth and liberty. 

"Woke ideas," eh?