The Insanity of modern Conservatism

[Americana Antifa]

20 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You are part of a terrorist group. Get rid of the violent extremists and then you won't be, But otherwise YOU DON"T GET TO "ACCEPT" TERRORISM AND NOT BE A TERRORIST.

Antifa is a movement, not a group. I don't have the ability to kick people out of a movement. Now if Antifa actually was a group and the leaders failed to kick out the rioters, I would leave it.

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Antifa is a movement, not a group. I don't have the ability to kick people out of a movement

So don't associate with that movement. Pick another movement. Start a movement. Nobody is forcing you to sign up with a domestic terrorist 'movement'.

2 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

. Now if Antifa actually was a group and the leaders failed to kick out the rioters, I would leave it.

You can leave a movement just as easily as you leave a group.  So leave. Denounce the terrorist scumbags and state you will no longer associate yourself with domestic terrorists.

[Americana Antifa]

32 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

So don't associate with that movement. Pick another movement. Start a movement. Nobody is forcing you to sign up with a domestic terrorist 'movement'.

Literally every movement has a violent fringe. You're basically saying we shouldn't fight for good things because sometimes bad people also fight for those good things.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Was the Tea Party a domestic terrorism movement? There were a few cases of violence there too.

Stop making excuses for being a domestic terrorist. 

Just out of curiosity, do you guys have a shrine to Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber and Gaige Grosskreutz somewhere?  

For sure you do, but please tell me there are no depictions of kids being molested in it, there are no beaten GFs in it, and no strangled brothers or beaten up sisters.... Just some classy photos of them lighting people's businesses on fire, shooting fireworks at cops or some other really important Antifa activity. 

[Americana Antifa]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop making excuses for being a domestic terrorist. 

Just out of curiosity, do you guys have a shrine to Joseph Rosenbaum, Anthony Huber and Gaige Grosskreutz somewhere?  

For sure you do, but please tell me there are no depictions of kids being molested in it, there are no beaten GFs in it, and no strangled brothers or beaten up sisters.... Just some classy photos of them lighting people's businesses on fire, shooting fireworks at cops or some other really important Antifa activity. 

You sound very normal. 

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/8/2023 at 3:17 AM, CdnFox said:

Wow - still hugging that mirror i see  

Nobody believes you kiddo. Look around, everyone here makes fun of you and you radical bullcrap at one point or another. Sorry to see that caused you some emotional damage   But denial won't help.  Basically you're just a punching bag people here use for amusement. Nobody takes you seriously

And why would they, You lie constantly about things that are easily verifiable, you constantly attack the jews, virtually all your arguments require you to rewrite what the person said.. you're a joke.

You obviously don't even MEAN to be taken seriously - To the point where i genuinely do wonder if you're a false flag. account.  The 'stupid' is just so over the top.

You deflected because you know I'm correct. You need to strawman leftists because you can't beat them on the issues.

Though it is kind of strange that you would lie about me being anti-gun when I've been here saying people should buy guns. But, hey, you're desperate. You've been claiming that I'm a nazi and that I hate white men. ?

[CdnFox]

29 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Literally every movement has a violent fringe. You're basically saying we shouldn't fight for good things because sometimes bad people also fight for those good things.

Almost no legit orgs have a 'violent fringe'  and when someone is violent in their name they track them down and kick them out or have them arrested.

What's amnesty internationals violent fringe? Or hell - where's the NRA's? They're a right wing gun org - no violent wing.

How about the black legal action center? Did martin luthor tolerate his people to be violent? No? Hmmm

There IS NO EXCUSE TO ASSOCIATE WITH A TERRORIST MOVEMENT.  Period.

There's tonnnes of groups that advocate only for peaceful solutions.

Otherwise how are you any better than trump - who didn't stand up when a "fringe element" of his support attacked the capital? You're NO DIFFERENT.

[CdnFox]

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

You deflected because you know I'm correct. You need to strawman leftists because you can't beat them on the issues.

DEFLECTION! STRAWMEN! SLIPPERY SLOPE! AD HOMINEM!  GET BACK HERE WITH THOSE GOALPOSTS

 No deflection kiddo. And everyone knows when you break that crap out you're admitting you're wrong and you're one emotional break down away from posting memes.

There's no strawmen there at all. It's simple truth.

6 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Though it is kind of strange that you would lie about me being anti-gun when I've been here saying people should buy guns. But, hey, you're desperate. You've been claiming that I'm a nazi and that I hate white men. ?

We know you're anti gun - Just like we know you're fascst. You always deny what you are and accuse others of it.  It's your bread and butter.

You support a domestic terrorst group and daily attack jews and anyone who thinks different. we're suppose to pretend you're in some way 'credible'?  You've got to be kidding

[Americana Antifa]

5 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We know you're anti gun

I'm anti-gun, but I'm encouraging people to buy guns? Ok. ?‍♀️

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

I'm anti-gun, but I'm encouraging people to buy guns? Ok. ?‍♀️

Sure kiddo.

Was it your terrorist friends you were encouraging so they could shoot the police instead of defunding them ?

Lets do a quick check -  so you're stating unequiviably right now that you DO NOT believe in stronger gun laws or that any guns should be restricted or banned?

[Americana Antifa]

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Almost no legit orgs have a 'violent fringe'  and when someone is violent in their name they track them down and kick them out or have them arrested.

How does one get kicked out of a movement? Can you kick violent people out of the Right?

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

How about the black legal action center? Did martin luthor tolerate his people to be violent? No? Hmmm

Yeeeeeah, you really don't want to bring up MLK like ever. ?

Not only did plenty of people riot during the MLK civil rights movement, but people like you condemned the entire movement because of the violence. Basically, it's the exact same thing you're doing with BLM.

Also, MLK did condemn rioting, but he also said that rioting was "the voice of the unheard." He saw riots as the result of the system failing to take care of people's material needs. Very marxian of him.

22 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Otherwise how are you any better than trump - who didn't stand up when a "fringe element" of his support attacked the capital? You're NO DIFFERENT.

The difference is that Trump caused that riot and now downplays it as much as he can. When asked about the rioters chanting "hang Mike Pence" he defended it by saying it was "common sense" because people were mad the election was stolen. Now he's saying if he becomes president again, he's going to free the rioters. 

I never defended or downplayed rioting. If someone gets arrested for rioting, they should be prosecuted regardless of the reason for the rioting. 

Edited May 11, 2023 by Americana Antifa

[Americana Antifa]

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Sure kiddo.

Was it your terrorist friends you were encouraging so they could shoot the police instead of defunding them ?

Wow, you sure did backpedal quickly.

6 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Lets do a quick check -  so you're stating unequiviably right now that you DO NOT believe in stronger gun laws or that any guns should be restricted or banned?

I support red flag laws and the closing of loopholes. I don't think any guns should be restricted or banned.

[CdnFox]

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

How does one get kicked out of a movement? Can you kick violent people out of the Right?

Sure. Everyone in the movement disavows them and turns them over to the police. Point out that they are complete scumbags who don't represent your views publically and if they show up at any events throw them out or record their activities and turn them over to the cops.  Let it be known that no such "Fringe" will be tolerated.

There. Took me 5 seconds. If you put 1/100th of the energy you do into defending them into turfing them they'd be gone.

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yeeeeeah, you really don't want to bring up MLK like ever. ?

Not only did plenty of people riot during the MLK civil rights movement, but people like you condemned the entire movement because of the violence. Basically, it's the exact same thing you're doing with BLM.

BLM embraces the violence - just like you do.

MLK did not. He spoke against it, he tossed people who were violent - show me a single instance where he excused the violence and tolerated it. He was accused early on in his career as using 'violent rhertoric' but he completely changed that - and while the FBI and Kennedy (not "people like me"  - pretty sure Kennedy was a dem) still wanted to brand him (quoting here )  "public negro number one" the fact is there were no further violent protests

This is part of what King had to say about violence

“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.

In a real sense nonviolence seeks to redeem the spiritual and moral lag that I spoke of earlier as the chief dilemma of modern man. It seeks to secure moral ends through moral means. Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.

I believe in this method because I think it is the only way to reestablish a broken community. It is the method which seeks to implement the just law by appealing to the conscience of the great decent majority who through blindness, fear, pride, and irrationality have allowed their consciences to sleep.

Doesn't leave much room for doubt.

Here's what AOC had to say when SHE was asked by a reporter about violent protest making people feel unsafe:

“The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes…To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable…that’s the point.”

 

She also said, “The thing that critics of activists don’t get is that they tried playing the “polite language” policy game and all it did was make them easier to ignore. It wasn’t until they made folks uncomfortable that there was traction to do ANYTHING even if it wasn’t their full demands.”

So. Bit of a different take.  AOC says violence is the point. MLK refused to accept it and kicked them out of his org.

 

Swing and a miss kiddo

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

The difference is that Trump caused that riot and now downplays it as much as he can.

Exactly the same as antifa.  And BLM seeing as you brought it up.  Trump did NOTHING that Antifa hasn't done and then some.

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

 

When asked about the rioters chanting "hang Mike Pence" he defended it by saying it was "common sense" because people were mad the election was stolen. Now he's saying if he becomes president again, he's going to free the rioters. 

You mean like Kamala Harris?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kamala-harris-pushed-bail-fund-that-helped-murder-and-rape-suspects-get-out-of-jail-while-awaiting-trial

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I never defended or downplayed rioting. If someone gets arrested for rioting, they should be prosecuted regardless of the reason for the rioting. 

You promote and encourage it by supporting an org that accepts it

In fact those were your words - you ACCEPT there's going to be a violent element.

So you DO defend it. Sorry.

You are by choice part of a terrorist movement that willfully and knowingly accepts violence.

[CdnFox]

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Wow, you sure did backpedal quickly.

ROFLMAO - oh look - you learned a new word to not use properly

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I support red flag laws and the closing of loopholes. I don't think any guns should be restricted or banned.

Ok.  Well fair enough, if you say you don't support restricting ownership without cause and you don't support banning or restricting any firearms then i'll take you at your word for now.

But your friends sure do. 

[Deluge]

On 5/7/2023 at 2:50 PM, Americana Antifa said:

"Woke ideas," eh?

Yes. 

I noticed in an earlier post that you were struggling with "wokeness". 

Well, I've come to help you.

We'll start off with this snippet below, then we'll discuss your questions: 

"Woke, "adjective (woker, wokest) informal alert to injustice and discrimination in society, especially racism: we need to stay angry, and stay woke; does being woke mean I have to agree with what all other woke folks say should be done about issues in the black community? the West Coast has the wokest dudes. 1960s: originally in African American usage" (OED).

To be "woke" stems from the Age of Enlightenment, when "enlightened" atheists rejected God, challenged the Divine Right of Kings, and started the calendar over at the Year 1. By the 1920s and 1930s, "enlightened" Nazis regarded God and Jesus Christ as a "Jewish conspiracy" that even Jews and Marxists did not believe in. Woke "knowledge" is esoteric, for example holding firm the maxim that "religion is the opiate of the masses." So once a "true believer" casts off the opiate, they become "woke" or "enlightened." David Greenfield describes it as "a cultish term for a political cult that reframes extremism as a revelation."

In modern America, leftists often use the term to refer to a person unquestioningly accepting a radical political doctrine viewing society in terms of "white privilege." Just as Christians who find inner peace by accepting Jesus Christ into their lives are called "born again", some people who feel great anger at society because of what they feel is social injustice are called "woke." In truth, however, those on the Left who claim to be "woke" (which is incidentally an improper use of English) are actually the exact opposite - stupefied and dulled to the truth instead of being awakened.

The term "awake", however, is used by opponents of the woke and politically correct ideology to differentiate themselves from the supporters and spokespersons of the latter, hence the slogan "Awake, not woke", started by President Donald J. Trump and Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis."

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Deluge said:

The term "awake", however, is used by opponents of the woke and politically correct ideology to differentiate themselves from the supporters and spokespersons of the latter, hence the slogan "Awake, not woke", started by President Donald J. Trump and Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis."

Meh. I dont' see that catching on

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

You sound very normal. 

Said the domestic terrorist.

That's actually a serious insult coming from you. 

Edited May 11, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/11/2023 at 10:20 AM, CdnFox said:

ROFLMAO - oh look - you learned a new word to not use properly

ROFLMAO - Actually, I did use it properly. That's why it made you mad.

On 5/11/2023 at 10:20 AM, CdnFox said:

Ok.  Well fair enough, if you say you don't support restricting ownership without cause and you don't support banning or restricting any firearms then i'll take you at your word for now.

But your friends sure do. 

Again, learn the different between liberals and leftists.

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/11/2023 at 10:40 AM, Deluge said:

Yes. 

I noticed in an earlier post that you were struggling with "wokeness". 

Well, I've come to help you.

We'll start off with this snippet below, then we'll discuss your questions: 

"Woke, "adjective (woker, wokest) informal alert to injustice and discrimination in society, especially racism: we need to stay angry, and stay woke; does being woke mean I have to agree with what all other woke folks say should be done about issues in the black community? the West Coast has the wokest dudes. 1960s: originally in African American usage" (OED).

To be "woke" stems from the Age of Enlightenment, when "enlightened" atheists rejected God, challenged the Divine Right of Kings, and started the calendar over at the Year 1. By the 1920s and 1930s, "enlightened" Nazis regarded God and Jesus Christ as a "Jewish conspiracy" that even Jews and Marxists did not believe in. Woke "knowledge" is esoteric, for example holding firm the maxim that "religion is the opiate of the masses." So once a "true believer" casts off the opiate, they become "woke" or "enlightened." David Greenfield describes it as "a cultish term for a political cult that reframes extremism as a revelation."

In modern America, leftists often use the term to refer to a person unquestioningly accepting a radical political doctrine viewing society in terms of "white privilege." Just as Christians who find inner peace by accepting Jesus Christ into their lives are called "born again", some people who feel great anger at society because of what they feel is social injustice are called "woke." In truth, however, those on the Left who claim to be "woke" (which is incidentally an improper use of English) are actually the exact opposite - stupefied and dulled to the truth instead of being awakened.

The term "awake", however, is used by opponents of the woke and politically correct ideology to differentiate themselves from the supporters and spokespersons of the latter, hence the slogan "Awake, not woke", started by President Donald J. Trump and Florida's Governor Ron DeSantis."

So I've said that "wokeness" is just anything that conservatives don't like.

Look what you said here: By the 1920s and 1930s, "enlightened" Nazis regarded God and Jesus Christ as a "Jewish conspiracy" that even Jews and Marxists did not believe in.

That's not true, the majority of the Nazi Party were Christians. And even the ones who weren't, like Heinrich Himmler, still believed in some kind of god. But because "wokeness" is just a propaganda term and conservatives don't care about facts, you can just say that the NSDAP was against religion. It was actually the opposite.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

In Germany during the Nazi era, a 1933 decree stated that "No National Socialist may suffer detriment... on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all".[26] However, the regime strongly opposed "godless communism",[27][28] and all of Germany's atheist and largely left-wing freethought organizations such as the German Freethinkers League (500,000 members)[29] were banned the same year; some right-wing groups were tolerated by the Nazis until the mid-1930s.[30][31] In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have "stamped out" the atheistic movement.[26]

You also said the quiet part loud over here: To be "woke" stems from the Age of Enlightenment, when "enlightened" atheists rejected God, challenged the Divine Right of Kings, and started the calendar over at the Year 1.

Conservatives are against democracy. You guys want a theocracy.

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/11/2023 at 10:18 AM, CdnFox said:

Sure. Everyone in the movement disavows them and turns them over to the police. Point out that they are complete scumbags who don't represent your views publically and if they show up at any events throw them out or record their activities and turn them over to the cops.  Let it be known that no such "Fringe" will be tolerated.

There. Took me 5 seconds. If you put 1/100th of the energy you do into defending them into turfing them they'd be gone.

BLM embraces the violence - just like you do.

MLK did not. He spoke against it, he tossed people who were violent - show me a single instance where he excused the violence and tolerated it. He was accused early on in his career as using 'violent rhertoric' but he completely changed that - and while the FBI and Kennedy (not "people like me"  - pretty sure Kennedy was a dem) still wanted to brand him (quoting here )  "public negro number one" the fact is there were no further violent protests

This is part of what King had to say about violence

“Violence as a way of achieving racial justice is both impractical and immoral. I am not unmindful of the fact that violence often brings about momentary results. Nations have frequently won their independence in battle. But in spite of temporary victories, violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones. Violence is impractical because it is a descending spiral ending in destruction for all. It is immoral because it seeks to humiliate the opponent rather than win his understanding: it seeks to annihilate rather than convert. Violence is immoral because it thrives on hatred rather than love. It destroys community and makes brotherhood impossible. It leaves society in monologue rather than dialogue. Violence ends up defeating itself. It creates bitterness in the survivors and brutality in the destroyers.

In a real sense nonviolence seeks to redeem the spiritual and moral lag that I spoke of earlier as the chief dilemma of modern man. It seeks to secure moral ends through moral means. Nonviolence is a powerful and just weapon. Indeed, it is a weapon unique in history, which cuts without wounding and ennobles the man who wields it.

I believe in this method because I think it is the only way to reestablish a broken community. It is the method which seeks to implement the just law by appealing to the conscience of the great decent majority who through blindness, fear, pride, and irrationality have allowed their consciences to sleep.

Doesn't leave much room for doubt.

Here's what AOC had to say when SHE was asked by a reporter about violent protest making people feel unsafe:

“The whole point of protesting is to make ppl uncomfortable. Activists take that discomfort w/the status quo & advocate for concrete policy changes…To folks who complain protest demands make others uncomfortable…that’s the point.”

 

She also said, “The thing that critics of activists don’t get is that they tried playing the “polite language” policy game and all it did was make them easier to ignore. It wasn’t until they made folks uncomfortable that there was traction to do ANYTHING even if it wasn’t their full demands.”

So. Bit of a different take.  AOC says violence is the point. MLK refused to accept it and kicked them out of his org.

 

Swing and a miss kiddo

Exactly the same as antifa.  And BLM seeing as you brought it up.  Trump did NOTHING that Antifa hasn't done and then some.

You mean like Kamala Harris?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/kamala-harris-pushed-bail-fund-that-helped-murder-and-rape-suspects-get-out-of-jail-while-awaiting-trial

You promote and encourage it by supporting an org that accepts it

In fact those were your words - you ACCEPT there's going to be a violent element.

So you DO defend it. Sorry.

You are by choice part of a terrorist movement that willfully and knowingly accepts violence.

TL ; DR

[CdnFox]

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

ROFLMAO - Actually, I did use it properly. That's why it made you mad.

Actually you didn't, which is why you made me laugh

But as usual you HAVE to redefine what people say - you can't argue with the truth so you have to lie on their behalf to have anything to work with ':)   "What you REALLY mean is... "

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Again, learn the different between liberals and leftists.

Again - the lefties AND the liberals are violently against guns and gun owners.  Can't cover that up cupcake. 

[CdnFox]

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

TL ; DR

So what you REALLY mean is there were some big words in there and no pictures so you got confused and had to take a nap instead   LOLOL!!

Very typical of you.  "I DON"T KNOW HOW TO POSSIBLY GET RID OF THE VIOLENT PEOPLE IN THE ORG I SUPPORT!!! THERE"S JUST NO WAY.!!!!!"

"Here's the way. It's easy"

"UMMM UMMMM UMM...  I... ahhhhh.... I COULDN"T READ IT, iT WAS TOOOOOO LONG" 

Bottom line is you just want to keep violent people in your group.

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Again - the lefties AND the liberals are violently against guns and gun owners.  Can't cover that up cupcake. 

I guess everyone to the Left of Xi Jinping is a radical leftist, yes?

That's a common tactic by fascists. They pretend everyone is as extreme as them.

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

So I've said that "wokeness" is just anything that conservatives don't like.

Look what you said here: By the 1920s and 1930s, "enlightened" Nazis regarded God and Jesus Christ as a "Jewish conspiracy" that even Jews and Marxists did not believe in.

That's not true, the majority of the Nazi Party were Christians. And even the ones who weren't, like Heinrich Himmler, still believed in some kind of god. But because "wokeness" is just a propaganda term and conservatives don't care about facts, you can just say that the NSDAP was against religion. It was actually the opposite.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_atheists#Nazi_Germany

In Germany during the Nazi era, a 1933 decree stated that "No National Socialist may suffer detriment... on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all".[26] However, the regime strongly opposed "godless communism",[27][28] and all of Germany's atheist and largely left-wing freethought organizations such as the German Freethinkers League (500,000 members)[29] were banned the same year; some right-wing groups were tolerated by the Nazis until the mid-1930s.[30][31] In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have "stamped out" the atheistic movement.[26]

You also said the quiet part loud over here: To be "woke" stems from the Age of Enlightenment, when "enlightened" atheists rejected God, challenged the Divine Right of Kings, and started the calendar over at the Year 1.

Conservatives are against democracy. You guys want a theocracy.

Wokeness is everything that's wrong with society. You want to exacerbate a problem? Just throw wokeness into the mix and Voila! You've got a social crisis on your hands! 

Nazi's were left-wing totalitarians; they hated Jesus and the Jews just like you left-wing totalitarians hate Jesus and the Jews - the connection is disturbing.

You also hate blacks as evidenced by Jim Crow, 19th century slavery, and the perpetual poverty you keep the bulk of them in today. It's a never ending cycle with you people. 

No, it has nothing to do with what we normal Americans like or dislike. It has everything to do with the destructiveness of your oppressive belief system. 

 

Edited May 13, 2023 by Deluge

[CdnFox]

7 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

I guess everyone to the Left of Xi Jinping is a radical leftist, yes?

That's a common tactic by fascists. They pretend everyone is as extreme as them.

You do that daily   LOL - so i guess you're right