Riley Gaines Assaulted by Trans Activists at San Francisco State University

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, Hodad said:

Many would call those completely fictional scenarios.

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/broken-bones-vs-hurt-feelings-uk-rugby-refs-quitting-after-bearded-transgender-women

https://nypost.com/2021/09/02/wi-spa-indecency-case-exposes-the-anti-woman-thrust-of-trans-ideology/

https://www.thestar.com/life/2014/01/04/transgender_mans_behaviour_in_changeroom_unacceptable_gallinger.html

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You were the one who listed it.  I was replying to you.

That does not contradict my statement

19 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

2.  Ok, so you're really condemning government across the board here.  I don't think I can add anything here.

Do you disagree with my assessment?

[West]

45 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Gaines posted a video… in which nobody attacked her. Then she said she was stuck in a closet for three hours with a bunch of uniformed police who couldn’t defend her. It’s not a likely story. 
 

But to be clear: If somebody hit her, that person should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. It doesn’t matter that Gaines was obviously looking for trouble and publicity and was trying to deliberately upset people… if you cross the line and get violent, you go to jail. 

She wasn't looking to be assaulted. That's just the leftist reaction as they are psychotic. 

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Deluge said:

Wrong. Blacks are biologically black; trans are not biologically trans. Blacks are not insane for saying they're black. Trannies ARE insane for saying they're the opposite sex. 

I AM letting them be. What I'm not letting them be is my kid's story teller during story hour. If they want to read stories to other people they can read stories to consenting individuals. If they want to share their pronouns with other people, they can do that in gay/tranny/woke friendly places. 

Why does it matter whether someone is biologically trans or not? Why not leave these people alone? Just let them be.  

[Rebound]

58 minutes ago, West said:

She wasn't looking to be assaulted. That's just the leftist reaction as they are psychotic. 

Really? 
Of all the universities, she chose to make a speech at a school with virtually no athletic department? She’s a swimmer. SC State has no swim team, no diving, no football team. They’re in Division None.  
 

But yeah, she chose that school to speak about athletics. Uh huh.  Right. 

Edited April 12, 2023 by Rebound

[West]

45 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Really? 
Of all the universities, she chose to make a speech at a school with virtually no athletic department? She’s a swimmer. SC State has no swim team, no diving, no football team. They’re in Division None.  
 

But yeah, she chose that school to speak about athletics. Uh huh.  Right. 

This man was middle of the pack in men's swimming when he chose to say that he's a woman. If that doesn't clearly show the lefty lunatics that there are in fact observable differences between men and women nothing will.

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight

https://www2.cbn.com/news/world/broken-bones-vs-hurt-feelings-uk-rugby-refs-quitting-after-bearded-transgender-women

https://nypost.com/2021/09/02/wi-spa-indecency-case-exposes-the-anti-woman-thrust-of-trans-ideology/

https://www.thestar.com/life/2014/01/04/transgender_mans_behaviour_in_changeroom_unacceptable_gallinger.html

Ah, yes. Naked links. The refuge of those who have made up nonsense and then wish to *pretend* to validate it. 

The third naked link is the only one that nearly supports one of your claims, and of course the individual who exposed themselves in the spa room was arrested and charged with 5 felonies, exactly as any man who could walk into a locker room and expose themselves. So what's the issue?

 

Look, it's just a culture war talking point. It's pure fantasy to think that men are just jumping into the trans lifestyle to score a few easy dubs in non-commercial sports or peep random women in locker rooms. It's like voter fraud: a made up crisis that's just not happening at any scale. It's HARD to live as a trans person. The cost-benefit analysis just isn't there. 

 

[Hodad]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

 

White people being shot by police, dwarf black people. They also commit far less crime per capita, hence those numbers. Where's the data on the news?

You've made this "mistake" of reasoning before, so it's starting to feel less like a mistake and more like disinformation. You did the same thing with regard to hate crimes in this thread.

Comparing the number of incidents within a large population vs incidents within a small population is useless, at best. To compare the groups honestly you must use rates. 

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Hodad

[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Not really. I feel safe as a black person, as does my wife who is Asian, even though there have been spikes on hate crimes on people who look like us. Especially so, for people who look like her.

We understand that those crimes are isolated, and don't reflect the vast majority of experiences we have had. The vast majority would be disgusted, and the outcry would be heavy handed--a better measuring stick.

There is a concentration of crimes that predominantly and overwhelmingly affects three demographics. Black, Asian and Jewish. 

The size of the demographic doesn't matter. The fact the crime is happening to anyone, should. 

Sorry, am not of the train of thought that a smaller demographic is more important based on size. Should be based on crime. Hate crimes don't belong, period. 

Protecting the vulnerable should be a blanketed statement.

Am eluding to the worst type of hate crime. Physical assault. Race overwhelmingly is the leading target. 

Being rejected from a woman's washroom because you don't pass in the slightest and still have male genitalia is exactly why enabling and normalizing mental illness doesn't work. Anyone outside of their circle, will see a man. Still doesn't justify assault, but most would let them know they were in the wrong washroom.

Clearly what we are doing doesn't work.

Sure, if she identified as a white male and demanded to be seen as such or you could get doxxed,  lose your job or be seen as transphobic. 

Otherwise you are fighting for basic human rights that they did not have vs fighting to normalize mental illness (being trans).

I can't be more clear about this. You are still trying to compare the count of ALL racially motivated hate crimes (when every person has a race) against the count of hate crimes against trans people, a diminutive population.  It's just not useful or honest. It's like trying to convince people that skydiving is safer than sleeping because a lot more people die in their sleep every year.

[Michael Hardner]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

 Do you disagree with my assessment?

I mean you said "rarely"... seems like it would be difficult to prove that objectively.  As an opinion, I get it.  I don't think I would put it that way but I'm not telling you to keep your opinion to yourself.

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's just not useful or honest.

I then specified black people, who top up the list. 

Find me a more at risk of being killed demographic.

[Hodad]

19 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I then specified black people, who top up the list. 

Find me a more at risk of being killed demographic.

I told you from jump that LGBTQ people are at the most at risk of any group -- race, religion, class, creed whatever. That's pretty obvious. I don't think it should be treated as a controversial statement, but here:

 

"The figures show that LGBT people are 2.4 times more likely to suffer a violent hate crime attack than Jews (8.3 divided by 3.5). In the same way, gays are 2.6 times more likely to be attacked than blacks; 4.4 times more likely than Muslims; 13.8 times more likely than Latinos; and 41.5 times more likely than whites, according to the FBI figures."

Edited April 13, 2023 by Hodad

[Deluge]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

Why does it matter whether someone is biologically trans or not? Why not leave these people alone? Just let them be.  

It doesn't really matter if they keep to themselves. I would be more than happy to leave them alone, but they have to swallow their agenda and keep to themselves. I will let them be if they keep to themselves. 

[Hodad]

37 minutes ago, Deluge said:

It doesn't really matter if they keep to themselves. I would be more than happy to leave them alone, but they have to swallow their agenda and keep to themselves. I will let them be if they keep to themselves. 

Their "agenda" of being treated with respect and dignity. As long as they don't want that, you'll let them be. What a mensch.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

being treated with respect and dignity.

You mean inventing new genders and gender ideology, and bullying businesses and the medical industry to comply with them?

The civil rights movement is about respect and dignity.

This is about indoctrination. Started with respect and dignity, then it got greedy.

Extremists who feel that they can't exist as long as there are women and men in the way.

Best way to fix this is to feminize men, and to reduce women to talking points like "menstruating person", "cis", or "chest feeding person". Best even is to start this grooming at childhood.

That doesn't sound too "please just respect us" like. 

Main reason the resistance will be swift to it as many become fed up with what the activists behind this movement are doing, from deliberately confusing you on what gender is, to evade scrutiny and right down to removing rights from parents in order to advance their indoctrination.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

I told you from jump that LGBTQ people are at the most at risk of any group -- race, religion, class, creed whatever.

What am saying, is that being most at risk is irrelevant. Being at risk, is what should matter. 

My wife being at a high risk during covid of assault because she is Asian (and mistaken for being Chinese even though she isn't) to me is just as bad as any other demographic dealing with this, including my own.

What bothers me, is the at risk point, is put front and center. The risk of death, when the black community has the highest risk of death of any community. Look up murders. Shootings. Environments where growing past 21 years of age, are seemingly 50/50. This is socially accepted.

Why is there no outrage about this?

Ghettoization of neighborhoods in the US? Where segregation that occurred in the past, are still prevalent in some cities when looking at the demographics in the areas at play.

If I publicly make an anti trans statement, am likely front page news. Cancel culture and doxxing would take care of the rest.

I shoot and kill someone who looks just like me, I barely make an article unless am a white cop.

This has nothing to do with protecting the vulnerable. Its using the vulnerable to advance an ideology.

[Rebound]

13 hours ago, West said:

She wasn't looking to be assaulted. That's just the leftist reaction as they are psychotic. 

Was she assaulted?

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, Perspektiv said:

What am saying, is that being most at risk is irrelevant. Being at risk, is what should matter. 

My wife being at a high risk during covid of assault because she is Asian (and mistaken for being Chinese even though she isn't) to me is just as bad as any other demographic dealing with this, including my own.

What bothers me, is the at risk point, is put front and center. The risk of death, when the black community has the highest risk of death of any community. Look up murders. Shootings. Environments where growing past 21 years of age, are seemingly 50/50. This is socially accepted.

Why is there no outrage about this?

Ghettoization of neighborhoods in the US? Where segregation that occurred in the past, are still prevalent in some cities when looking at the demographics in the areas at play.

If I publicly make an anti trans statement, am likely front page news. Cancel culture and doxxing would take care of the rest.

I shoot and kill someone who looks just like me, I barely make an article unless am a white cop.

This has nothing to do with protecting the vulnerable. Its using the vulnerable to advance an ideology.

People make anti-trans statements every day. 
 

Nobody should make anti-anybody statements. I mean… we’re all born one way or another and it doesn’t make any of us superior to anybody else.  When you look at these white supremacist guys, they’re mostly ultra-poor, badly educated white men. They are failures and the only way they can feel superior about anything is by thinking that their skin color or their choice of religion makes them better. But it doesn’t. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Rebound

[Guest]

42 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Nobody should make anti-anybody statements.

By your logic, me not affirming a trans woman is the same as a biological woman, is "anti trans". Or at least activists in general.

Its a fact. People are trying to move the goal posts as to what constitutes fact or reality.

The word transphobic has lost its meaning. It's been used to silence.

Am not anti anyone. But am definitely anti BS.

Telling me a trans person is no different than a biological person. Heck, that biological person must cowtoe to this group by calling themselves cis, chest feeders or essentially erase who they are to "support" this community.

I was in a relationship like that before. Its toxic, and its not in your best interest.

[Deluge]

8 hours ago, Hodad said:

Their "agenda" of being treated with respect and dignity. As long as they don't want that, you'll let them be. What a mensch.

There's a difference between looking for respect and dignity and looking for personal time with other people's kids. Do you not see the difference? 

[Rebound]

17 hours ago, West said:

She wasn't looking to be assaulted. That's just the leftist reaction as they are psychotic. 

Oh? We’re only psychotic?

Typical right-wing dehumanization tactic. No need for discussion, just call the other side a name and say they are irrational or sub-human. 
 

TO REPEAT: She is on record saying that transsexuals do not have a right to exist, and she brought that message to a University that has virtually no sports teams at all… allegedly to make remarks about athletics?  Then she pretends she’s attacked, posts a video where no attack happened, then claims she was stuck in a closet with a bunch of uniformed cops who couldn’t protect her?  Come on… she sounds like she’s lying. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by Rebound

[I am Groot]

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

What bothers me, is the at risk point, is put front and center. The risk of death, when the black community has the highest risk of death of any community. Look up murders. Shootings. Environments where growing past 21 years of age, are seemingly 50/50. This is socially accepted.

Why is there no outrage about this?

Because the people doing the shooting and killing are black people, primarily black men. And the mainstream media doesn't like to talk about this sort of thing except through the lens of racism, discrimination or oppression. It certainly doesn't want to address the culture of the 'black community' with regard to why it's so violent because that would be 'blaming the victim', in their minds. And it most definitely doesn't want to talk about how its campaigning against police 'oppression' and the fact a dozen or so unarmed black men (primarily criminals) are killed by police each year has led to a pullback of policing and a concomitant surge in violence and murders in the black community.

7 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Ghettoization of neighborhoods in the US? Where segregation that occurred in the past, are still prevalent in some cities when looking at the demographics in the areas at play.

Because other groups move away from urban Blacks who live in these areas and those blacks don't have the money to follow them.

 

Edited April 13, 2023 by I am Groot

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

She is on record saying that transsexuals do not have a right to exist

Link?

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Then she pretends she’s attacked

Proof she is pretending? Crowd looked aggressive, and obviously she was surrounded by cops. Doesn't mean she can't be touched, nor that cops could do much as were vastly outnumbered.

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

she sounds like she’s lying. 

Link? If you make accusations you should be able to back them up.

I have personally only heard her talking about male bodied "women" having no business competing with biological women, even less showering with them.

[West]

2 hours ago, Rebound said:

Oh? We’re only psychotic?

Typical right-wing dehumanization tactic. No need for discussion, just call the other side a name and say they are irrational or sub-human. 
 

TO REPEAT: She is on record saying that transsexuals do not have a right to exist, and she brought that message to a University that has virtually no sports teams at all… allegedly to make remarks about athletics?  Then she pretends she’s attacked, posts a video where no attack happened, then claims she was stuck in a closet with a bunch of uniformed cops who couldn’t protect her?  Come on… she sounds like she’s lying. 

Like you calling everyone neo nazis to the right of Stalin?

And you are a leftist liar. She's not on record saying that. Stop being scum. 

Edited April 13, 2023 by West

[Hodad]

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You mean inventing new genders and gender ideology, and bullying businesses and the medical industry to comply with them?

The civil rights movement is about respect and dignity.

This is about indoctrination. Started with respect and dignity, then it got greedy.

1. Extremists who feel that they can't exist as long as there are women and men in the way.

2. Best way to fix this is to feminize men, and to reduce women to talking points like "menstruating person", "cis", or "chest feeding person". Best even is to start this grooming at childhood.

That doesn't sound too "please just respect us" like. 

3. Main reason the resistance will be swift to it as many become fed up with what the activists behind this movement are doing, from deliberately confusing you on what gender is, to evade scrutiny and right down to removing rights from parents in order to advance their indoctrination.

^^ This just isn't grounded in any sort of reality.

1. It's not even clear what this sentence means, but I have never seen any trans activist trying to abolish men or women as a gender. Overwhelmingly they want to BE part of one gender or another. 

2. "Feminizing men" deserves a huge. ? And inclusive language is precise specifically to make room for everyone. I don't particularly understand "chestfeeding" as necessary in that "breast" is not gendered term in the first place, but "menstruating person" makes plenty of sense in that there are people who menstruate who identify as men. So why not use language that includes those people? Is there any harm in it? Is it harder to say "menstruating person" than "menstruating woman"? Is that burning extra calories? Costing extra dollars? No. So what's the damn problem? The only consequence is that people in that category can be addressed and included as well. Great.

3. Yes, all this nonsense about the pain of social exclusion and the abuses they suffere and the heartwrenching desire to be accepted and tolerated in society is a clever ruse. Their real mission is to confuse you about what gender is (it's about you, of course, not them). It's all about the lolz. They're just trolling you. Some would say that gender reassignment surgery is too far to go for the sake of a practical joke, but these are some committed mischief makers. Epic farking prank.