Jacob Chansley, AKA the QAnon Shaman Being Released

[WestCanMan]

So this guy is getting released, he's in a halfway house now.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9592618/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-released-prison-early-jan-6/

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‘QAnon Shaman’ freed from federal prison months ahead of schedule

It's just been a week or two since Tucker Carlson showed a bunch of the video of him, how much that had to do with his release, I don't know, but at lest he's getting out.

I think the world really wants to hear what he has to say, no doubt the Dems want him silenced, I guess we'll find out soon enough if he's allowed to talk.

What's he gonna say after the way he was treated? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-rioter-qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-secures-early-release-prison-halfway-house-lawyer-says

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"After serving 11 months in solitary prior to his sentence being imposed, and only 16 months of his sentence thereafter, it is appropriate this gentle and intelligent young man be permitted to move forward with the next stage of what undoubtedly will be a law-abiding and enriching life," Watkins said in a statement. 

 

11 months in solitary? That's just insane.

If he was a threat to society then why were the Capitol Police completely indifferent to his presence when he was walking around inside the building, at the peak of the "insurrection"? Isn't that when he was at his "most dangerous"?

That article also says:

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"For the record: Jake is out on schedule," Chansley's attorney Bill Shipley tweeted early Thursday morning. 

"I told him 16 months ago in our first conversation it would be Feb. or Mar. 2023," Shipley said. "BOP [Federal Bureau of Prisons] math. I didn’t do anything extraordinary–this was always the schedule, I just understood it and could explain it to him. He was expecting 12 more mos."

Apparently Global's headline is wrong. 

Re: solitary, in Canada we don't even do it anymore: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/federal-inmates-solitary-confinement-enquete-1.6410882

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According to the UN's Nelson Mandela rules, adopted in 2015, isolation for more than 22 hours a day amounts to solitary confinement, and solitary confinement lasting more than 15 days amounts to torture.

This is just more proof of how far down the evolutionary ladder America's democracy has fallen over the last few years. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by WestCanMan

[Guest]

Why would he not be allowed to speak?

I can see a publisher telling him to save it all for the book, but that doesn't count.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Why would he not be allowed to speak?

As a condition for early release, or even for getting out at all maybe? 

There are still people in jail without a trial since Jan 6th: https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/    March 8, 2023 10:18pm  Updated

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Contrary to what apologists have been saying since Carlson began airing the footage, all this material has not previously been made available to the J6 defendants, some of whom have been jailed without trial for two years, in violation of their constitutional right to a fair and speedy trial.

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New York lawyer Joseph McBride, one of the few heroes of this ugly saga, represents six J6 defendants and says a significant proportion of the 41,000 hours of surveillance footage House Speaker Kevin McCarthy released to Carlson was kept from his clients and should give them “grounds for appeal.”

Chansley lawyer Bill Shipley, also told Fox News legal analyst Jonathan Turley that his defense team “did not have this material.”

McBride says the J6 committee’s deceptions and pejorative comments about “MAGA Republicans” from President Biden “have poisoned the DC jury pool beyond repair,” which also is grounds for appeal.

 

[West]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

So this guy is getting released, he's in a halfway house now.

https://globalnews.ca/news/9592618/qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-released-prison-early-jan-6/

It's just been a week or two since Tucker Carlson showed a bunch of the video of him, how much that had to do with his release, I don't know, but at lest he's getting out.

I think the world really wants to hear what he has to say, no doubt the Dems want him silenced, I guess we'll find out soon enough if he's allowed to talk.

What's he gonna say after the way he was treated? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jan-6-rioter-qanon-shaman-jacob-chansley-secures-early-release-prison-halfway-house-lawyer-says

 

11 months in solitary? That's just insane.

If he was a threat to society then why were the Capitol Police completely indifferent to his presence when he was walking around inside the building, at the peak of the "insurrection"? Isn't that when he was at his "most dangerous"?

That article also says:

Apparently Global's headline is wrong. 

Re: solitary, in Canada we don't even do it anymore: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/federal-inmates-solitary-confinement-enquete-1.6410882

This is just more proof of how far down the evolutionary ladder America's democracy has fallen over the last few years. 

The leftists abused this man's human rights. Hopefully he sues

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, West said:

The leftists abused this man's human rights. Hopefully he sues

At least if he doesn't we'll know it was because no-one abused his human rights.

[WestCanMan]

37 minutes ago, West said:

The leftists abused this man's human rights. Hopefully he sues

There were so many human rights abuses and violations of the Brady Rule from Jan 6th, and so many lies told about it by the Dems and so much media disinformation, that in the end the leftist cult's crimes and offences are more significant than the mostly peaceful protest itself. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by WestCanMan
added "mostly"

[Guest]

41 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

As a condition for early release, or even for getting out at all maybe? 

There are still people in jail without a trial since Jan 6th: https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/an-egregious-denial-of-due-process-for-jan-6-protesters/    March 8, 2023 10:18pm  Updated

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I don't think such a condition would be constitutional.  I don't know though.  This article about Michael Cohen suggests it isn't.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cohen-idUSKCN24P1AW

As for the footage, no-one is locked up for what they didn't do.  If this guy was locked up, there must be footage of what he did do.

His Attorney's words seem to put the lie to the notion that Tucker Carlson's show had anything to do with his release.

No-one should be in jail for over two years without trial. 

[robosmith]

32 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

There were so many human rights abuses and violations of the Brady Rule from Jan 6th, and so many lies told about it by the Dems and so much media disinformation, that in the end the leftist cult's crimes and offences are more significant than the mostly peaceful protest itself. 

You don't even know what they were trying to accomplish nor how, let alone how close they came to overturning the election.

If Mike Pence had cooperated, it might have gone to the SCOTUS and with the court we have now, who knows if they would not rule for a contingent election which Trump would probably have won.

Pence may have saved the will of the voters.

 

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, bcsapper said:

Why would he not be allowed to speak?

I can see a publisher telling him to save it all for the book, but that doesn't count.

I can't for the life of me understand why the Democratic Party would want to silence him. If this guy is even half as nuts as Marjorie Taylor Greene he'll still be a boon to Democrats in gaffe potential.

[West]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

You don't even know what they were trying to accomplish nor how, let alone how close they came to overturning the election.

If Mike Pence had cooperated, it might have gone to the SCOTUS and with the court we have now, who knows if they would not rule for a contingent election which Trump would probably have won.

Pence may have saved the will of the voters.

 

All that wouldve have happened would've been contested states wouldve went back to their legislature to analyze and review. The fact that you suggest this check in the system would've overturned the election makes you look like a lunatic

[robosmith]

18 minutes ago, West said:

All that wouldve have happened would've been contested states wouldve went back to their legislature to analyze and review. The fact that you suggest this check in the system would've overturned the election makes you look like a lunatic

No it makes you completely IGNORANT as to what a contingent election is.

You Canadians know LITTLE about American law. In this case, the election COULD have been decided by Republican House members IF Pence had cooperated and and the SCOTUS ruled it was legal despite the FACT it clearly wasn't .

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, West said:

The leftists abused this man's human rights. Hopefully he sues

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[Rebound]

6 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

There were so many human rights abuses and violations of the Brady Rule from Jan 6th, and so many lies told about it by the Dems and so much media disinformation, that in the end the leftist cult's crimes and offences are more significant than the mostly peaceful protest itself. 

You are thoroughly detached from reality.  
 

"Men of honor admit when they're wrong. Not just publicly but to themselves," Chansley told the court in Nov. 2021. "I was wrong for entering the Capitol. I have no excuse. No excuse whatsoever. The behavior is indefensible." 

 

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[Hodad]

4 hours ago, Rebound said:

You are thoroughly detached from reality.  
 

"Men of honor admit when they're wrong. Not just publicly but to themselves," Chansley told the court in Nov. 2021. "I was wrong for entering the Capitol. I have no excuse. No excuse whatsoever. The behavior is indefensible." 

 

A number of the Jan 6 rioters have admitted that they were wrong and expressed remorse. Are some of them self-serving statements? Probably. But there are also men and women of honor who have recognized the gravity of what they did. Honor is a totally foreign concept to WestCanMan, so this will fall on deaf ears (or blind eyes). 

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I don't think such a condition would be constitutional.  I don't know though.  This article about Michael Cohen suggests it isn't.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cohen-idUSKCN24P1AW

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(Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen left prison on Friday to finish his criminal sentence at home, an attorney for Cohen said, a day after a judge found he was sent back behind bars two weeks ago as retaliation for plans to publish a book about Trump.

The US DOJ is honestly a laughing stock. 

I guess it's nothing new, it was like that way for black people in the first half of the 20th century, maybe this is just "equal treatment under the law" lol. 

Side note: maybe it's time to get rid of congressional subpoenas. They're just expensive toilet paper.

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As for the footage, no-one is locked up for what they didn't do.  If this guy was locked up, there must be footage of what he did do.

I think a lot of people were locked up for what they didn't do.

Pelosi was in charge of security and she made it really easy for angry rioters to get into the building, and then it only took 1 bullet - 1 person killed - to restore order. 

It appears that at least one person who only went into the building briefly and peacefully was locked up. 

Also, Ray Epps wasn't locked and he obviously did enough to end up in jail. 

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His Attorney's words seem to put the lie to the notion that Tucker Carlson's show had anything to do with his release.

Yep. And to be fair it was Fox News that pointed that out. 

Global was the one that said he was out early, but they didn't say it was because of Tucker. 

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No-one should be in jail for over two years without trial. 

It seems like the Dems actually have an extreme amount of control of the DOJ, even when they aren't in power. 

When Trump was POTUS Flynn went to jail for maybe lying to the FBI and he was in there for a long time. Getting out of jail cost him a fortune. Conversely, the FBI lawyer who falsified evidence and presented it to the FISA court judge in order to get the warrant to spy on Trump's campaign never went to jail and never even got disbarred.  

That crime was so serious that the judge said that it cast a shroud of doubt over everything the FBI does. 

[West]

9 hours ago, robosmith said:

No it makes you completely IGNORANT as to what a contingent election is.

You Canadians know LITTLE about American law. In this case, the election COULD have been decided by Republican House members IF Pence had cooperated and and the SCOTUS ruled it was legal despite the FACT it clearly wasn't .

WRONG. 

It would've been decided by each state and what's in their individual CONSTITUTION. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, West said:

WRONG. 

It would've been decided by each state and what's in their individual CONSTITUTION. 

You just keep embarrassing yourself with your ignorance when a simple google search could have enlightened you.

 

Here’s How The House Could Decide The Presidential Election—And Its Democratic Majority Wouldn’t Matter

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A 269-269 Electoral College tie or other dispute that prevents the determination of a clear winner of the presidential election would result in a contingent election, in which it would be decided by the House of Representatives, while the vice presidential race is decided by the Senate, the 12th Amendment stipulates.

While each senator gets a vote for the vice president, the House vote is determined by state delegation rather than individual lawmaker—so each state, from Alaska’s one delegate to Texas’ 36 delegates, all only get one vote each.

 

Democrats have a majority in the House with individual lawmakers, but Republicans hold the majority of state delegations: 26 states have a GOP majority, 22 states have a Democratic majority, while there’s a tie in Pennsylvania and the Michigan delegation has seven Democrats, six Republicans and Independent Rep. Justin Amash.

The House vote would not be decided by the House as it currently exists, but by the lawmakers elected in November, as lawmakers will be sworn in on January 3 and Congress will convene to count electoral votes January 6.

As I said, decided by Republicans in the HOUSE. States have NO ROLE in the US Constitution.

Which you would know if you EVEN TRIED TO FIND EVIDENCE for your ridiculous theory.

[West]

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You just keep embarrassing yourself with your ignorance when a simple google search could have enlightened you.

 

Here’s How The House Could Decide The Presidential Election—And Its Democratic Majority Wouldn’t Matter

As I said, decided by Republicans in the HOUSE. States have NO ROLE in the US Constitution.

Which you would know if you EVEN TRIED TO FIND EVIDENCE for your ridiculous theory.

Read again, dummy

 

23 minutes ago, robosmith said:

the House vote is determined by state delegation

 

[robosmith]

24 minutes ago, West said:

Read again, dummy

So TRIPLING DOWN on YOUR IGNORANCE. LMAO

The "state delegation" is the HOUSE MEMBERS representing the STATE in CONGRESS. DUH.

Each state gets ONE VOTE in HOUSE ELECTION of POTUS for a contingent election per the US Constitution.

The election is held IN CONGRESS not the state.

Now you can tell the rest of the Canadian cons here, who are equally ignorant. 

[West]

47 minutes ago, robosmith said:

So TRIPLING DOWN on YOUR IGNORANCE. LMAO

The "state delegation" is the HOUSE MEMBERS representing the STATE in CONGRESS. DUH.

Each state gets ONE VOTE in HOUSE ELECTION of POTUS for a contingent election per the US Constitution.

The election is held IN CONGRESS not the state.

Now you can tell the rest of the Canadian cons here, who are equally ignorant. 

No, dumbass. The STATES LEGISLATURE is who determines election rules of their state. 

Why the hell else would your link be talking about republican vs Democrat state legislatures?

Edited April 3, 2023 by West

[robosmith]

53 minutes ago, West said:

No, dumbass. The STATES LEGISLATURE is who determines election rules of their state. 

Why the hell else would your link be talking about republican vs Democrat state legislatures?

Read the 12th amendment of the US Constitution.

It's NOT the state legislatures, it's the STATE DELAGATION TO CONGRESS. If they are majority Republican which they are in 36 states, that means they win the contingent election 36 to 24.

You  really are DENSE and too lazy to read. And stupidly call me "dumbass" because YOU don't understand the US Constitution. Crawl back into your hole, TROLL.

[West]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Read the 12th amendment of the US Constitution.

It's NOT the state legislatures, it's the STATE DELAGATION TO CONGRESS. If they are majority Republican which they are in 36 states, that means they win the contingent election 36 to 24.

You  really are DENSE and too lazy to read. And stupidly call me "dumbass" because YOU don't understand the US Constitution. Crawl back into your hole, TROLL.

It's YOU that does not which is why yoh get all bent up about Donnie's challenge to the election

[Hodad]

37 minutes ago, West said:

It's YOU that does not which is why yoh get all bent up about Donnie's challenge to the election

I'm not sure he can explain it slower. You're simply wrong. "Delegates" refers to the already elected congresspeople from each state and the "state delegation" refers to the entire set from each state. Whether that is one (AK, WY, etc.) or 52 (CA), each delegation gets a single vote. You should just absorb the information, learn and move on. 

Indeed, the contingent election would have been a foregone conclusion that overturned the will of the voters entirely. That's why team Trump tried so hard to make it happen. They weren't "challenging" the election. They were trying to steal it outright through means they knew to be illegal. 

Edited April 3, 2023 by Hodad

[Rebound]

4 hours ago, West said:

No, dumbass. The STATES LEGISLATURE is who determines election rules of their state. 

Why the hell else would your link be talking about republican vs Democrat state legislatures?

The state legislatures all wrote election LAWS, not election “rules.”  The difference being, since enacted as laws, they can’t take a vote and overturn them after conducting an election.  

[BeaverFever]

On 4/2/2023 at 8:47 PM, bcsapper said:

Why would he not be allowed to speak?

I can see a publisher telling him to save it all for the book, but that doesn't count.

He’s not really being “released” he’s still technically a prisoner in custody,  he’s just serving his sentence in the community (halfway house or house arrest) and therefore still subject to restrictions.  

Many of the Jan 6 seditionists have restrictions on saying anything that could incite further violence 

Edited April 4, 2023 by BeaverFever