Would Leftists Support Biden If He Called Off The 2024 Election?

[bcsapper]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You get to vote no, that's your choice.

What you don't get to do is say that "Republicans tried to do away with the election" as if it's a real thing. 

But they did!  It's right there in US recent history.

And then, as if to say, "look, this is how it's done", you changed my vote.

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Stop acting like questioning the legitimacy of an election is unique to conservatives, stupid hypocrite. The Dems and their MSM/FBI lackeys just spent 4 years doing that exact thing.  

There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE between INVESTIGATING CHEATING and telling a bunch of hooligans to "fight like hell" or "they won't have a country anymore."

Have you figured out what a "contingent election" is yet and how Trump planned to use that to overturn the WILL of the VOTERS?

[Aristides]

16 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You get to vote no, that's your choice.

What you don't get to do is say that "Republicans tried to do away with the election" as if it's a real thing. 

It is debatable whether Republicans supported it but that is what Jan 6 was all about. 

[robosmith]

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Riiiiight. That really happened 🤡

I'll count you among the people who are so sucked in by Biden's rhetoric that you'd support it.

Just cause you're ignorant of what happened does not mean Trump didn't try to force a contingent election.

[Rebound]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Well, the bar is pretty high. 

The bar set by the thuggery on the right is this: ---> 

https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/capitol-vio

When the left will cross the line, like that day, I am talking about the symbolism of what they tried to do, then I will attack the left, but now, your brethren have front stage. 

so how can you start a thread about this?! When your leader is tearing apart the Republican Party? 

There are plenty of violent leftists who have been prosecuted or should be. 
 

Most protesters on January 6 were not violent and they did not enter the Capitol.  
 

But it *seems* that there isn’t a large group of liberals who are defending the illegal acts of BLM and other protesters.  OTOH, there does seem to be a large group of conservatives who are defending what was blatantly violent and illegal behavior on January 6.  They should not do that.  

[eyeball]

Hey look, its another stupid post by the smartest guy on the Internet!

2 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Now, I don't think that he would come right out and say it - even in China and Russia they like to maintain the illusion of fair elections - but if he did say it, would leftists lose any faith in the Dems/FBI/MSM?

What faith? You seem to put a lot of stock in whatever your toaster tells you about leftists.  As far as I'm concerned Biden is as right wing as Trudeau, Trump, Desantis, Jagmeet Singh... and for the same reason - they're all more interested in the distribution of power, to themselves.  You exist in a partisan illusion where some promised land of freedom, democracy and transparency is denied you because of the other team.

Like so many other partisans of all stripes you fail to recognize that we all live in a world that is far more polarized longitudinally than laterally. Recall the old two dimensional Political Compass test that displays an economic scale and a social scale. As I see it they've tried to capture a longitudinal dimension called governing with the qualifiers Libertarian and Authoritarian on the left and right but because we live a three dimensional world they've missed something.

Two questions in the test stand out that strike me as particularly interesting.  

1. In a civilised society, one must always have people above to be obeyed and people below to be commanded.

2. Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity.

I answer No to the 1st but I feel a little torn about the 2nd. I get it, but there is a missing dimension I call Anarchy that I'm willing to inhabit in the absence of a government that is willing to say Trusting the governed is a necessary part of mature responsible governance.

I don't feel trusted in the least and until that changes Anarchy is definitely an option I'm willing to entertain.

[WestCanMan]

13 minutes ago, Rebound said:

There are plenty of violent leftists who have been prosecuted or should be. 
 

Most protesters on January 6 were not violent and they did not enter the Capitol.  
 

But it *seems* that there isn’t a large group of liberals who are defending the illegal acts of BLM and other protesters.  OTOH, there does seem to be a large group of conservatives who are defending what was blatantly violent and illegal behavior on January 6.  They should not do that.  

The violent behaviour on Jan 6th shouldn't be tolerated at all, full stop. Anyone who pushed a guardrail that police were holding, or broke a window, or kicked in a door should go to jail. Anyone who assaulted a cop should go to jail for years. People who encouraged that kind of violence also need to go to jail (Epps absolutely needs to be in jail, 100%).

The problem is that leftists inflicted all of those things (and much, much worse) on their fellow Americans for years and the Dems gleefully cheered it on. It's incredibly hypocritical that they suddenly see those things as crimes just because it happened to them. 

Antifa/BLMers could beat a guy senseless, throw him out on the street, loot their store and then burn it to the ground and Obama, Schumer, Schiff, AOC, Pelosi, Kamala, M Obama et al LOVED it. They coudn't get enough of it and they never wanted it to end.  Suddenly when there were only 200 armed cops between Pelosi and some unarmed hooligans it was "Pearl Harbour". "9/11". It gave people PTSD. 

The Dems all called the (McCloskeys?) criminals for brandishing guns to protect themselves from a mob that had just broken a gate to get into their grilles, then they cheered when Ashley Babbit was killed for the same thing..

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[impartialobserver]

This thread is one of pure fantasy and speculation. May as well start a thread about how Suriname is going to become the dominant economy in the world. 

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, WestCanMan said:

The violent behaviour on Jan 6th shouldn't be tolerated at all, full stop. Anyone who pushed a guardrail that police were holding, or broke a window, or kicked in a door should go to jail. Anyone who assaulted a cop should go to jail for years. People who encouraged that kind of violence also need to go to jail (Epps absolutely needs to be in jail, 100%).

The problem is that leftists inflicted all of those things (and much, much worse) on their fellow Americans for years and the Dems gleefully cheered it on. It's incredibly hypocritical that they suddenly see those things as crimes just because it happens to them. 

Antifa/BLMers could beat a guy senseless, throw him out on the street, loot their store and then burn it to the ground and Obama, Schumer, Schiff, AOC, Pelosi, Kamala, M Obama et al LOVED it. They coudn't get enough of it and they never wanted it to end.  Suddenly when there were only 200 armed cops between Pelosi and some unarmed hooligans it was "Pearl Harbour". "9/11". It gave people PTSD. 

The Dems all called the (McCloskeys?) criminals for brandishing guns to protect themselves from a mob that had just broken a gate to get into their grilles, then they cheered when Ashley Babbit was killed for the same thing..

You don’t make any sense. I don’t think any mob was trying to get to Ashley Babbit’s grill.  

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, Rebound said:

You don’t make any sense. I don’t think any mob was trying to get to Ashley Babbit’s grill.  

Babbit was killed for doing the same thing as the people who broke down the gate to where the McCloskeys lived. 

BLM broke through a gate and got threatened with a gun. Dems said: "OMG, NOOOOOOOOOO! THAT'S A CRIME! LOCK THE McCLOSKEYS UP!"

Babbit was coming through a window and got killed. Dems said: "SWEEEET! THROW TAT BIOTCH IN A DUMPSTER AND FUGGEDABOUDIT!"

[Aristides]

9 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Babbit was killed for doing the same thing as the people who broke down the gate to where the McCloskeys lived. 

BLM broke through a gate and got threatened with a gun. Dems said: "OMG, NOOOOOOOOOO! THAT'S A CRIME! LOCK THE McCLOSKEYS UP!"

Babbit was coming through a window and got killed. Dems said: "SWEEEET! THROW TAT BIOTCH IN A DUMPSTER AND FUGGEDABOUDIT!"

Babbit was a victim. A victim of the lies she had been fed.

[robosmith]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Babbit was killed for doing the same thing as the people who broke down the gate to where the McCloskeys lived. 

BLM broke through a gate and got threatened with a gun. Dems said: "OMG, NOOOOOOOOOO! THAT'S A CRIME! LOCK THE McCLOSKEYS UP!"

Babbit was coming through a window and got killed. Dems said: "SWEEEET! THROW TAT BIOTCH IN A DUMPSTER AND FUGGEDABOUDIT!"

Have you STILL NOT figured out that Fox is LYING to YOU?

The FACT is, pointing gun at someone who is NOT threatening you (no, walking down your street is NOT a threat) is a CRIME.

As is breaking down the door to the House Chamber and entering it. You just said that was a crime worthy of punishment. 

She was a the LEADER of a VIOLENT MOB planning to "hang Mike Pence." 🤮

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Aristides said:

Babbit was a victim. A victim of the lies she had been fed.

Babbit was killed for doing something that thousands of BLMers did for months on end. None of them got shot for it.

[Contrarian]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

None of them

Is the symbolism, is a difference between trying to enter a courthouse in Portland and actually climbing to reach Senators and having ideas to stop a process of validating an election. 

The world does not stop, America does not stop, in my opinion, just because someone is angry. It is tragic what happened, it is true. 

• Don't worry about those protesters, they are filmed and caught eventually, even during far left riots. The right wing radio hosts tell you they get away with it for money. 

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[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Is the symbolism, is a difference between trying to enter a courthouse in Portland and actually climbing to reach Senators and having ideas to stop a process of validating an election. 

The world does not stop, America does not stop, in my opinion, just because someone is angry. It is tragic what happened, it is true. 

• Don't worry about those protesters, they are filmed and caught eventually, even during far left riots. The right wing radio hosts tell you they get away with it for money. 

Here's a leftist opinion, https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

Nearly 300 charges from the BLM riots. "OOOoooh, that's so many."

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An Associated Press review of court documents in more than 300 federal cases stemming from the protests sparked by George Floyd’s death last year shows that dozens of people charged have been convicted of serious crimes and sent to prison.

Dozens... OMG that's so many...

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Only a handful of the nearly 600 people who’ve been charged in the insurrection have received their punishments so far, and just three people have been sentenced to time behind bars.

600 arrests from 3 hrs and $10,000 in damage

300 arrests from 4 months and $2,000,000,000

[robosmith]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Babbit was killed for doing something that thousands of BLMers did for months on end. None of them got shot for it.

Seems you MISSED the story about Kyle Rittenhouse shooting two protestors who tried to disarm him.

Key events in Wisconsin surrounding Rittenhouse shootings

Of course I am sure there are many more.

[Contrarian]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's a leftist opinion, https://apnews.com/article/records-rebut-claims-jan-6-rioters-55adf4d46aff57b91af2fdd3345dace8

Nearly 300 charges from the BLM riots. "OOOoooh, that's so many."

Dozens... OMG that's so many...

600 arrests from 3 hrs and $10,000 in damage

300 arrests from 4 months and $2,000,000,000

Again, symbolism has nothing to do with the numbers of arrests, or even financial damage.

At football games in Europe, they arrest weekly hooligans breaking things. 

This is about the act of climbing and reaching towards Senators + the idea to stop a process. Once you go against the system that direct, you will pay the price. Is just how it is. 

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[WestCanMan]

30 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Again, symbolism has nothing to do with the numbers of arrests, or even financial damage.

At football games in Europe, they arrest weekly hooligans breaking things. 

This is about the act of climbing and reaching towards Senators + the idea to stop a process. Once you go against the system that direct, you will pay the price. Is just how it is. 

People overran police stations, shot fireworks at police, assaulted police, tried to burn down federal buildings, tore down monuments, assaulted civilians, burned down buildings, looted, etc. Over and over for months.

"Dozens of charges". 

Do you know what "dozens" means? 

[Contrarian]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

People overran police stations, shot fireworks at police, assaulted police, tried to burn down federal buildings, tore down monuments, assaulted civilians, burned down buildings, looted, etc. Over and over for months.

"Dozens of charges". 

Do you know what "dozens" means? 

Alright brother, is all a conspiracy from the left with the DA, Judges, FBI, DHS against the MAGA patriots? 😄😄😄

It was like a Kabal there, they met, even Comey came and gave his blessing?😄

and let's not forget the father, did Soros called in via Zoom?

• I think a better activity is to join Truth Social and tell Trump is not good what he is doing for the Republican Party. Poor McConnell, he probably is taking heavy medications now to calm down. 

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[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Babbit was killed for doing something that thousands of BLMers did for months on end. None of them got shot for it.

That's just not true. Nine people killed during Black Lives Matter protests.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Contrarian said:

Alright brother, is all a conspiracy from the left with the DA, Judges, FBI, DHS against the MAGA patriots? 😄😄😄

It was like a Kabal there, they met, even Comey came and gave his blessing?😄

and let's not forget the father, did Soros called in via Zoom?

• I think a better activity is to join Truth Social and tell Trump is not good what he is doing for the Republican Party. Poor McConnell, he probably is taking heavy medications now to calm down. 

Say whatever you want dude, but the facts are indisputable: thousands of people committed extremely serious crimes for the Dems and they either weren't even charged or they were charged and then had their charges dropped, and then a few hundred people committed far less serious offences on Jan 6th and ended up serving months to years in jail without so much as a trial.

That's not what a healthy democracy looks like. The US DOJ is a complete farce and there's no denying it. 

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[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

That's just not true. Nine people killed during Black Lives Matter protests.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled

None of them were shot by police. Not even if you include the 3 years of BLM rioting under Obama. (There was one example of a security guard who was either a former or an off-duty police officer that returned gunfire against a BLM rioter, iirc both of them died.)

The police just let BLM/Antifa protesters attack whomever they wanted, loot whatever they wanted, burn whatever they wanted, overrun whatever they wanted, and very few convictions resulted from all of that violence and carnage (which was enthusiastically supported by Dems and the MSM). 

The number of convictions is in the dozens.

There were more jan 6th protesters than that held in jail for months without bail and without a trial. 

Omar Khadr got $10.5M for spending his years in prison without a trial, and he was a known terrorist - with bomb-making videos on YouTube - who actually killed people. 

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[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Omar Khadr got $10.5M for spending his years in prison without a trial, and he was a known terrorist - with bomb-making videos on YouTube - who actually killed people. 

Khadr was a minor and illegally groomed to become a soldier.

He was compensated because Canadian officials cocked things up.

They did that because right wingers hate lefties. It's almost funny actually.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Khadr was a minor and illegally groomed to become a soldier.

He was compensated because Canadian officials cocked things up.

They did that because right wingers hate lefties. It's almost funny actually.

Why oh why did I click: "Show this post"?

[Hodad]

Jeebus, this thread is next-level projection. 

Some MAGA a-hole implying that the other side of the political spectrum doesn't value democracy is like a rapist implying that a normal dude doesn't support women's rights.

And no, "leftists" don't "believe in democracy as much as anyone else." The fact that they haven't tried to seize power against the will of the voters and are not currently engaged in a nationwide effort lay the groundwork for a sequel make it pretty apparent that they care about democracy a lot more than the right.

Stupid, stupid thread. The same fools said the same things about Obama, even though there was never even a whiff of any such intention. It was pure projection, because that's*exactly* what they'd like to do.

It's played out just as David Frum assessed: "If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." 

They've lost the debate in the marketplace if ideas. They have no vision for the future. All that's left is fraud and force.