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[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

You're right, if eluding to policy only.

Trudeau is far superior at crafting his image where it matters.

Fair point.  I mean - that's night and day too  

I will say tho, i heard an interesting comment when he was in the first election to the effect that his image was so bad that it actually worked for him because expectations were so low that whenever anything trashy came out it was like "yeah? So? It's trump.  What'd you expect?"

[Perspektiv]

4 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

But according to the Right, this is CRT and must be banned.

Not all teachers will teach it with balance, and you know it. I knew a kindergarten teacher who prided herself of having all kids stand against a wall, to show people how racism works.

She would then mention things like: "take a step forward if you have two parents", "if you have a car".

By the end, the white kids would have walked up to her, and the minority kids were still either on the wall, or still close to it.

This didn't do anything other than tell the white kids that they were pieces of s*** just for existing.

Like I said. When you conflate education with activism, you will do more damage than good.

I don't believe CRT belongs in school. Kids should learn history.

Teaching kids to be ashamed of say Canada, doesn't do anything.

I have seen so many far leftists and worked with some who would scold you for celebrating Canada day.

This country "isn't yours, how dare you celebrate this?!".

This isn't awareness at this point.

It serves no purpose. You still live here, and are just whining. Its useless.

12 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

But you're saying we shouldn't teach about racism because it might make kids want to fight against racism.

No. Teach it objectively. Let kids make their own decisions. Teaching it with a bias, is you trying to turn kids into activists, vs them history which is your job as an educator.

If they become activists, good for them. But it's not your job to harbor that hate and anger.

14 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

which is capitalism

How is capitalism the problem?

14 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

But by "activists," what do you mean?

See my line about the kindergarten teacher that I know. Multiply this thousands of times, by teachers who try to push their personal agendas, even often bragging on places like Tik Tok about it. This is the problem.

Kids are at school to learn. To be productive in society.

They have an entire life to learn about how f***ed up our world is.

 

[Americana Antifa]

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Not all teachers will teach it with balance, and you know it. I knew a kindergarten teacher who prided herself of having all kids stand against a wall, to show people how racism works.

I'm sure there are teachers whose style I wouldn't like, but when Republicans talk about banning CRT, they're not talking about specific things that should be taught differently. Like Rufo blatantly admitted, CRT has been redefined as a propaganda term. Republicans invoke CRT when ANY instance of race is mentioned in school. And they blatantly lie about what CRT really means.

If a politician was saying, maybe we should teach about instances of slavery outside of America so kids see how slavery isn't just a white American thing, alright, that's a fair point. But they're not doing that. They're just lying about what's being taught in schools as a distraction.

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Like I said. When you conflate education with activism, you will do more damage than good.

But it seems like by "activism" you just mean teaching history that may result in students growing up to be activists. I have no idea how one would teach history or sociology in a way that doesn't lead to at least some kids becoming activists.

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

I don't believe CRT belongs in school. Kids should learn history.

Well it's really only taught in some sociology classes in college. Republicans are lying when they say it's being taught in grade school.

24 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Teaching kids to be ashamed of say Canada, doesn't do anything.

I have seen so many far leftists and worked with some who would scold you for celebrating Canada day.

This country "isn't yours, how dare you celebrate this?!".

But is that actually being taught in schools?

There are people like that in America too, but they're on the fringe. I went to school in a very left-leaning city and none of the teachers said things like that.

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How is capitalism the problem?

Capitalism requires an under-class to function.

To be fair, there are liberal capitalists who support welfare programs to level the playing field. That's why the Nordic countries have such high living standards. But even those countries can't completely eliminate poverty as long as they're capitalist.

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Kids are at school to learn. To be productive in society.

But we don't just want them to make money, right? We want them to care about society and improve life for the next generation.

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[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But we don't just want them to make money, right? We want them to care about society and improve life for the next generation.

By dressing up in drag or having their wee-wee's cut off? Not sure that's the answer we're looking for

[Perspektiv]

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But it seems like by "activism" you just mean teaching history that may result in students growing up to be activists.

No. Teaching history devoid of objectivity. 

I teach you slavery based on history, then I must give you all facts, objectively. This is history.

If you focus solely on the negative and delve in detail, you are deliberately teaching it with an agenda. 

Like I said. If you focus on slaves having been raped, their money and business ideas taken, then again your sole purpose is to anger people. This has no place in education. 

We don't need to be uncomfortable with the past. Ashamed of it. Educators have the job of making us aware it happened and when it ended.

Teaching people to be ashamed of where they live (ignoring the strides made since) doesn't do any good. Its literally useless.

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Well it's really only taught in some sociology classes in college.

I consider my 16 year old niece a child. Like I said. It must be taught objectively, otherwise doesn't belong in school.

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But even those countries can't completely eliminate poverty as long as they're capitalist.

What countries in the world have zero poverty?

Also, you're likely eluding to turning the country to socialism. Some socialist reform is good, but to fully put the power in your governments hands, is not not. There isn't a country that proves otherwise.

Some things have no business being run by the government.

[Perspektiv]

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But we don't just want them to make money, right?

No, we want them to be competent contributors to society. 

That's the job of your school. 

Schools aren't there to raise your kids. They are there to educate them. 

If I see youth having more awareness of inequalities than job skills, you have failed as an education system.

Ok great you find it disgusting our business doesn't do more to be greener, but you have been hired two months ago, and still can't learn the most basic skills you have been taught without heavy hand holding.

Am speaking from experience, as worked with a few woke youth. 

They were from my experience,  megaphones complaining about nepotism in the workplace, to lack of green initiatives and the like, all but learning to do their job well first.

Like I said. Teach kids to be competent, first.

Let them choose to be activists should they wish to.

5 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

We want them to care about society and improve life for the next generation.

By complaining about it?

You're better to teach a child an entrepreneurial spirit and ethics. 

If all you're doing is walking around "educating" people, you're doing nothing. People have their lives to worry about and likely roll their eyes when spoken to by such people.

You're best being a sound contributor to society, than being yet another youth who is angry at the unfairness, incompetent and entitled and just a miserable person to both work with, live with and contributing to the growing loneliness epidemic. 

[Perspektiv]

Critical thinking is truly a dying skill.

[Nationalist]

On 3/31/2023 at 4:37 AM, Perspektiv said:

This is a divisive issue, as many are sick of being censored and gaslit about the matter. 

 

BINGO!!!

Divide and conquer. Never pay as much attention to what the hand you see is doing.

Pay more attention to the hand you don't see clearly.

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Critical thinking is truly a dying skill.

And yet you talk about job training for children, as if photocopying and using a punch machine are more important than understanding our world, social issues and the like.

You don't want an educated public, you want workbots.

Your posts on here are wildly inconsistent, and imprecise.  When called out you double down by reposting contradictory statements then you move on.

[CdnFox]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And yet you talk about job training for children, as if photocopying and using a punch machine are more important than understanding our world, social issues and the like.

You don't want an educated public, you want workbots.

Your posts on here are wildly inconsistent, and imprecise.  When called out you double down by reposting contradictory statements then you move on.

Oh look. Another lefty who has to redefine what other people say before he can make an argument. Yawn. 

[Perspektiv]

On 5/7/2023 at 11:01 PM, Americana Antifa said:

I have no idea how one would teach history or sociology in a way that doesn't lead to at least some kids becoming activists.

By presenting it morally, vs factually. Morals don't belong in a history class.

Calling Abraham Lincoln a colonizer, ignores what he did for slaves.

People need to stop looking at history through the lenses of "what i would do if I was there".

Sorry, you would have done the same. Without google to spew woke BS, and schools teaching what they taught you, you just like everyone else  would have known no better.

[Perspektiv]

Black rights movement eventually garnered respect from even from some of the most hardened racists.

Klan members look pathetic. 

Their demands were simple. We deserve rights, too.

Women. Gay and lesbian groups. 

"Hey, we should be allowed to get married, too".

It literally hurts nobody to meet any of those demands.

This issue is so divisive, because you have a group making demands at the expense of other groups, and using tactics similar to those in hardline communist countries to silence dissent, right down to eating their own should they dare stray from the pack.

Once their demands become rational, will you see more people willing to accept them.

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/9/2023 at 11:55 AM, Perspektiv said:

By presenting it morally, vs factually. Morals don't belong in a history class.

Do you have any evidence that schools are injecting morality into history classes?

I think that's always going to happen to a degree, since the way we teach history will always be a reflection of our culture, but do you have any examples of it going to far?

On 5/9/2023 at 11:55 AM, Perspektiv said:

Calling Abraham Lincoln a colonizer, ignores what he did for slaves.

Who is calling Lincoln a colonizer?

[Americana Antifa]

On 5/8/2023 at 4:31 AM, Perspektiv said:

No, we want them to be competent contributors to society. 

So why is it bad if some of them become activists for a positive cause?

On 5/8/2023 at 4:31 AM, Perspektiv said:

If I see youth having more awareness of inequalities than job skills, you have failed as an education system.

Do you think that's the situation now? Do you have proof of that?

On 5/8/2023 at 4:31 AM, Perspektiv said:

Am speaking from experience, as worked with a few woke youth. 

But you know that's not really evidence, right? That's like saying I think there's been a national explosion in homelessness because there are a bunch of homeless people in my neighborhood.

On 5/8/2023 at 4:31 AM, Perspektiv said:

By complaining about it?

Of course. How else do we spread awareness? Democracy works much better when the population is informed.

[Perspektiv]

On 5/10/2023 at 7:54 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Who is calling Lincoln a colonizer?

Quite a few, many of which damaged statues or property to make their point known. The disturbing part to me, is the lack of condemnation by some politicians which speaks volumes. I mean, I strongly believe that war monuments and statues like these, should be off limits to thugs. There should be heavy handed jail penalties for such vandalism.

On 5/10/2023 at 7:54 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Do you have any evidence that schools are injecting morality into history classes?

You want links to parents confronting school boards, a dozen videos, news reports? What do you prefer. There is tons of this happening. You open the door for it, by teaching CRT. Many can easily make it a moral issue, vs simply teaching history.

[Perspektiv]

On 5/10/2023 at 8:05 PM, Americana Antifa said:

So why is it bad if some of them become activists for a positive cause?

I think parents should teach their kids to be contributing and functional adults. If they're activists on top of this, all the power to them. Nothing wrong with being an activist. Its not about the activism itself, its the means of how many of these "activists" are getting their points across.

On 5/10/2023 at 8:05 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Do you think that's the situation now? Do you have proof of that?

When I see activists throwing soup at a painting, then using fossil fuel based glue to glue themselves near it (completely oblivious to the irony) to me this is proof competence as a person wasn't obtained before becoming an activist.

Blocking slaughterhouses, because you believe in a vegan lifestyle or want to do something positive for your community, but didn't consider the hundreds of jobs you could potentially cost people. That, or going to jail long term because you don't like the police.

I could go on. Tons of proof, there are tons of individuals with room temperature IQs protesting, when they would have benefited from a better education.

[Americana Antifa]

21 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

I think parents should teach their kids to be contributing and functional adults. If they're activists on top of this, all the power to them. Nothing wrong with being an activist. Its not about the activism itself, its the means of how many of these "activists" are getting their points across.

When I see activists throwing soup at a painting, then using fossil fuel based glue to glue themselves near it (completely oblivious to the irony) to me this is proof competence as a person wasn't obtained before becoming an activist.

Blocking slaughterhouses, because you believe in a vegan lifestyle or want to do something positive for your community, but didn't consider the hundreds of jobs you could potentially cost people. That, or going to jail long term because you don't like the police.

I could go on. Tons of proof, there are tons of individuals with room temperature IQs protesting, when they would have benefited from a better education.

Well duh, we're not going to agree with every method that activists use. But it sounds like your problem isn't with activism, it's with methods. If anything, this is an argument that schools should be teaching how to be an effective activist.

I don't disagree, we could have classes on how to cause social change. But holy shit, that would drive the fascists crazy.

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Quite a few, many of which damaged statues or property to make their point known.

But you know those are rare cases, right? And that's not evidence that schools are teaching people that Lincoln was a colonizer.

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You want links to parents confronting school boards, a dozen videos, news reports? What do you prefer. There is tons of this happening. You open the door for it, by teaching CRT. Many can easily make it a moral issue, vs simply teaching history.

You're kinda proving my point here by bringing up CRT. Like I showed you before, CRT was redefined by the Right to freak people out. The parents you're talking about have been brainwashed by right-wing propaganda.

[Perspektiv]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

But you know those are rare cases, right?

There are so many other types. So no, not rare.

[Americana Antifa]

5 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

There are so many other types. So no, not rare.

Do you have any evidence of that? Or any evidence that schools are teaching that Lincoln was a colonizer?

Do you see why maybe you've been taken in by right-wing propaganda? We have Republicans banning books and trying to make it as hard as possible to vote, but you're more worried about some random-ass kids who vandalized a Lincoln statue.

[Perspektiv]

7 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do you have any evidence of that? Or any evidence that schools are teaching that Lincoln was a colonizer?

Do you see why maybe you've been taken in by right-wing propaganda? We have Republicans banning books and trying to make it as hard as possible to vote, but you're more worried about some random-ass kids who vandalized a Lincoln statue.

Am more concerned at speech being policed. Not people saying Abraham Lincoln was a colonizer.

[Americana Antifa]

8 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Am more concerned at speech being policed. Not people saying Abraham Lincoln was a colonizer.

Well the only people policing speech are Republicans. There are no Democrats trying to ban books.

[CdnFox]

31 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Well the only people policing speech are Republicans. There are no Democrats trying to ban books.

No republicans banned books, and the left actually did ban books.  I get why you feel the need to lie about it but the fact that you do should tell you that you're on the wrong side.

[Perspektiv]

17 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Well the only people policing speech are Republicans.

That would be false. 

Identity politics, victim hood and the fight for social justice for small groups at the expense of the majority are all forms of speech and thought control. 

For the latter, the word transphobic has been weaponized to often mean: "those who disagree with me". 

Comedians can no longer make jokes about a group, unless they belong to it. Terms like "Punching up" or "Punching down" being popular, prove this. So, if black or Asian, I could mock a white person, but a white person doing the same, is racist. 

Don Lemon clearly showcased this, in the debate that likely got him fired. Because the person talking about black rights wasn't black, it dismissed their entire argument. 

Turn on the victim hood, and then finish with identity politics in scolding them for not being black, and thus having zero understanding on black hurt. 

Nobody can call anyone out anymore, and that precise fear of doing so that it causes is precisely speech control. 

You refusing to see it, doesn't mean it isn't a tactic used to suppress speech. 

In Canada Justin Trudeau used terms like terrorists and unacceptable views to describe a group disagreeing with him. 

I didn't even touch up on tech giants silencing speech and calling it "dangerous" if it went against their propaganda. 

It's been proven, in written on people who places like Twitter were forced to take down. 

Amazon took down the book When Harry Became Sally, under far leftist pressure. 

It made me that much more interested in buying it, so I did. 

That's just one book, but to say the left hasn't canceled or suppressed anything makes you sound more like a troll than a person trying to engage in rational debate. 

[Americana Antifa]

3 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

That would be false. 

Identity politics, victim hood and the fight for social justice for small groups at the expense of the majority are all forms of speech and thought control. 

Nope, nope, I don't care about boycotts. Boycotts have always happened, that's not an attack on free speech.

Give me examples of the Democrats trying to ban speech the way Republicans do. Not examples of some random college kids protesting racism or whatever.

Edited May 14, 2023 by Americana Antifa

[CdnFox]

5 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Nope, nope, I don't care....

LaLaLaLaLa - don't want to hear the truth!!!1

This is why the left remain deluded @Perspektiv.  No matter what reason logic or facts you use - they will always put their fingers in their ears and hum until you go away.