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Interesting.

So...those of you who reject the idea of that balloon being a "spy balloon", yet refuse to consider why the Russians moved in on Ukraine, deserve a big fat PFFT!

The balloon was being driven. It was being directed. This much we know. Now why would the Chinese even be mildly interested in the weather? 

No...that balloon had an intent and it wasn't the weather.

What urks me is, Pixie-Dust must have known about it and in a spectacular display of loyalty...

He ignored it.

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1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Interesting.

So...those of you who reject the idea of that balloon being a "spy balloon", yet refuse to consider why the Russians moved in on Ukraine, deserve a big fat PFFT!

The balloon was being driven. It was being directed. This much we know. Now why would the Chinese even be mildly interested in the weather? 

No...that balloon had an intent and it wasn't the weather.

What urks me is, Pixie-Dust must have known about it and in a spectacular display of loyalty...

He ignored it.

Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same thing with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else??

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4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same thing with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else??

I don't know...and none of us ever will IMO.

It is also my opinion that Polievre should proceed to beat Pixie-Dust over the head with this gross display of cowardice.

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5 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Now why would the Chinese even be mildly interested in the weather? 

Lots of reasons.  It is common for countries to study the weather with balloons.  This is nothing new.  Canada has used weather balloons.  It helps collect data for weather forecasters and scientists who study the weather patterns and climate change.  Now with the great climate change alarmism, countries have an even greater incentive to study the weather and atmosphere.   China is also trying to keep up with all the technologies in the world including weather science.

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29 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Lots of reasons.  It is common for countries to study the weather with balloons.  This is nothing new.  Canada has used weather balloons.  It helps collect data for weather forecasters and scientists who study the weather patterns and climate change.  Now with the great climate change alarmism, countries have an even greater incentive to study the weather and atmosphere.   China is also trying to keep up with all the technologies in the world including weather science.

Meh...OK...perhaps.

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1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Lots of reasons.  It is common for countries to study the weather with balloons.  This is nothing new.  Canada has used weather balloons.  It helps collect data for weather forecasters and scientists who study the weather patterns and climate change.  Now with the great climate change alarmism, countries have an even greater incentive to study the weather and atmosphere.   China is also trying to keep up with all the technologies in the world including weather science.

You seem to be a real Chinese apologist.

 

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6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same thing with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else??

It was just a test to see how far China can push its world economic, political, and regional boundaries . . . and to observe the 'hair-on-fire' or placid reactions of the west.  It was a test.  Good to shoot down their 'test'. Too bad that Canada didn't have the cahonas or the means to take care of it ourselves . . .

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Washington claims that,  based on the antenna arrays on the gondola, viewed by a U-2 Dragon Lady

the Chinese balloon is a Signals Intelligence gathering platform ( SIGINT )

SIGINT comprises two roles

Electronic Intelligence gathering ( ELINT )

which is the detection, location & classification of radio & radar transmitters

Communications Intelligence gathering ( COMINT )

which is intercepting radio transmissions to analyze the contents of the broadcasts

this role is performed by the USAF RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft

the advantage of a Geostationary Balloon Satellite version

would be that it can cross oceans and remain on station indefinitely, unlike an airplane

far be it from me to trust anything the Biden Administration says on the face of it

but the gondola did have the characteristics of a persistent SIGINT platform as opposed to weather research

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/09/state-department-says-chinese-spy-balloon-contained-technology-to-monitor-communication-signals/

 

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it brings to mind one of the most infamous SIGINT operations of the Cold War

1 September 1983

an American RC-135 RIvet Joint was orbiting just outside of Soviet airspace over the Pacific

when a Korean Airlines 747, callsign KAL007, crossed into Soviet airspace for unknown reasons

the Soviets, having been humiliated by the Reagan Administration's confrontations over their airspace since 1981

sortied two Sukhoi Su-15 Interceptors, and shot the Korean Airlines 747 down over the Soviet Union

269 passengers were killed

it was one of the few public signs of the 1983 Soviet War Scare

the Soviets at the brink of World War Three, due to paranoia, unbeknownst to us in the West in real time

the SIGINT War being the front lines of the Cold War Balance of Terror

even as just a teenager at the time, I knew the tensions must be at the brink, for the Soviets to shoot a 747 down

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25 days after the Soviets shot KAL007 down

the Soviet Oko early warning satellite gave false warning of an American Minuteman III ICBM launch

Monday 26 September 1983

while we watched Alex Trebek on Jeopardy that night

we were not aware that we were coming as close as we ever have to an interpolar thermonuclear exchange

that was the night that Soviet Lt. Colonel Stanislav Petrov became the Man Who Saved The World

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what is the moral of the story ?

Mutually Assured Destruction can backfire

at permanent hair trigger alert, it is just a matter of time until there is a malfunction

if either side receives false warning, they could launch on warning therein

thus if there is an interpolar exchange of ICBM's

it's not going to be intentional

to wit, a Cold War is most likely to degenerate into a Global Thermonuclear War

simply by accident

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14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Washington claims that,

 

 

14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

it brings to mind one of the most infamous SIGINT operations of the Cold War

 

 

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

25 days after the Soviets shot KAL007 down

 

 

13 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

what is the moral of the story ?

 

Gawd, you babble a lot. LOL

4 posts to say what???  Duh.... nothing

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8 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

 

 

 

Gawd, you babble a lot. LOL

4 posts to say what???  Duh.... nothing

You don't have to find Dougie's posts interesting but you cannot call them empty.

Many do find him interesting and informative though. Including generals.

I've followed him across 4 sites now for the insights he gives into military history and I'm a panty waist liberal.

Don't be a blockhead.

 

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I have a feeling we will never know what the balloon really was.  It was mentioned on the news giving information out about it might now not happen because of "national security".  After all the claims that it was a spy balloon, why would they admit they were wrong?  When the top brass would have to backtrack on something like that, then I guess it could be a "national security" issue as it would throw into question their judgment.

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On 2/8/2023 at 9:32 AM, ExFlyer said:

Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else??

See the reaction?

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bear in mind,  that while America has bases surrounding China, from which we can conduct SIGINT on them

they don't have any bases near America which would allow them to do the same

the Chinese cannot orbit right outside of American airspace to conduct SIGINT like our RC-135's

so for China, this transoceanic ranged persistent SIGINT capability by balloon satellite makes sense

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the other thing is : the Chinese don't invent anything themselves

the Chinese only copy America, they steal any idea America has, since Communists cannot create

and this whole Geostationary Balloon Satellite idea came from America

the Pentagon came up with this idea, the Chinese have simply stolen it, like they steal everything else

we know what a Geostationary Balloon Satellite looks like

because this is something we came up with first

balloon-graphic.jpg

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