ExFlyer Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Dougie93 said: again..... .... anymore 11 hours ago, Dougie93 said: another serious ..... ..... war in theatre Whew, exhausting, unintelligible and nonsensical. So many words for so little value. 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 Interesting. So...those of you who reject the idea of that balloon being a "spy balloon", yet refuse to consider why the Russians moved in on Ukraine, deserve a big fat PFFT! The balloon was being driven. It was being directed. This much we know. Now why would the Chinese even be mildly interested in the weather? No...that balloon had an intent and it wasn't the weather. What urks me is, Pixie-Dust must have known about it and in a spectacular display of loyalty... He ignored it. 1 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Interesting. So...those of you who reject the idea of that balloon being a "spy balloon", yet refuse to consider why the Russians moved in on Ukraine, deserve a big fat PFFT! The balloon was being driven. It was being directed. This much we know. Now why would the Chinese even be mildly interested in the weather? No...that balloon had an intent and it wasn't the weather. What urks me is, Pixie-Dust must have known about it and in a spectacular display of loyalty... He ignored it. Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same thing with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else?? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Nationalist Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same thing with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else?? I don't know...and none of us ever will IMO. It is also my opinion that Polievre should proceed to beat Pixie-Dust over the head with this gross display of cowardice. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
blackbird Posted February 8, 2023 Author Report Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: Now why would the Chinese even be mildly interested in the weather? Lots of reasons. It is common for countries to study the weather with balloons. This is nothing new. Canada has used weather balloons. It helps collect data for weather forecasters and scientists who study the weather patterns and climate change. Now with the great climate change alarmism, countries have an even greater incentive to study the weather and atmosphere. China is also trying to keep up with all the technologies in the world including weather science. Edited February 8, 2023 by blackbird Quote
Nationalist Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 29 minutes ago, blackbird said: Lots of reasons. It is common for countries to study the weather with balloons. This is nothing new. Canada has used weather balloons. It helps collect data for weather forecasters and scientists who study the weather patterns and climate change. Now with the great climate change alarmism, countries have an even greater incentive to study the weather and atmosphere. China is also trying to keep up with all the technologies in the world including weather science. Meh...OK...perhaps. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, blackbird said: Lots of reasons. It is common for countries to study the weather with balloons. This is nothing new. Canada has used weather balloons. It helps collect data for weather forecasters and scientists who study the weather patterns and climate change. Now with the great climate change alarmism, countries have an even greater incentive to study the weather and atmosphere. China is also trying to keep up with all the technologies in the world including weather science. You seem to be a real Chinese apologist. Edited February 8, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
blackbird Posted February 8, 2023 Author Report Posted February 8, 2023 47 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: You seem to be a real Chinese apologist. You seem to favour lying and bias just because you don't like China. Quote
Nefarious Banana Posted February 8, 2023 Report Posted February 8, 2023 6 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same thing with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else?? It was just a test to see how far China can push its world economic, political, and regional boundaries . . . and to observe the 'hair-on-fire' or placid reactions of the west. It was a test. Good to shoot down their 'test'. Too bad that Canada didn't have the cahonas or the means to take care of it ourselves . . . Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 9, 2023 Report Posted February 9, 2023 16 hours ago, blackbird said: You seem to favour lying and bias just because you don't like China. ? Huh ? Making assumptions again I see LOL Who is lying? Who is biased? You have evidence to dispel what is being said? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Dougie93 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Posted February 9, 2023 Washington claims that, based on the antenna arrays on the gondola, viewed by a U-2 Dragon Lady the Chinese balloon is a Signals Intelligence gathering platform ( SIGINT ) SIGINT comprises two roles Electronic Intelligence gathering ( ELINT ) which is the detection, location & classification of radio & radar transmitters Communications Intelligence gathering ( COMINT ) which is intercepting radio transmissions to analyze the contents of the broadcasts this role is performed by the USAF RC-135 Rivet Joint aircraft the advantage of a Geostationary Balloon Satellite version would be that it can cross oceans and remain on station indefinitely, unlike an airplane far be it from me to trust anything the Biden Administration says on the face of it but the gondola did have the characteristics of a persistent SIGINT platform as opposed to weather research https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/02/09/state-department-says-chinese-spy-balloon-contained-technology-to-monitor-communication-signals/ 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Posted February 9, 2023 it brings to mind one of the most infamous SIGINT operations of the Cold War 1 September 1983 an American RC-135 RIvet Joint was orbiting just outside of Soviet airspace over the Pacific when a Korean Airlines 747, callsign KAL007, crossed into Soviet airspace for unknown reasons the Soviets, having been humiliated by the Reagan Administration's confrontations over their airspace since 1981 sortied two Sukhoi Su-15 Interceptors, and shot the Korean Airlines 747 down over the Soviet Union 269 passengers were killed it was one of the few public signs of the 1983 Soviet War Scare the Soviets at the brink of World War Three, due to paranoia, unbeknownst to us in the West in real time the SIGINT War being the front lines of the Cold War Balance of Terror even as just a teenager at the time, I knew the tensions must be at the brink, for the Soviets to shoot a 747 down 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Posted February 9, 2023 25 days after the Soviets shot KAL007 down the Soviet Oko early warning satellite gave false warning of an American Minuteman III ICBM launch Monday 26 September 1983 while we watched Alex Trebek on Jeopardy that night we were not aware that we were coming as close as we ever have to an interpolar thermonuclear exchange that was the night that Soviet Lt. Colonel Stanislav Petrov became the Man Who Saved The World 1 Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 9, 2023 Report Posted February 9, 2023 what is the moral of the story ? Mutually Assured Destruction can backfire at permanent hair trigger alert, it is just a matter of time until there is a malfunction if either side receives false warning, they could launch on warning therein thus if there is an interpolar exchange of ICBM's it's not going to be intentional to wit, a Cold War is most likely to degenerate into a Global Thermonuclear War simply by accident Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 10, 2023 Report Posted February 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Dougie93 said: Washington claims that, 14 hours ago, Dougie93 said: it brings to mind one of the most infamous SIGINT operations of the Cold War 13 hours ago, Dougie93 said: 25 days after the Soviets shot KAL007 down 13 hours ago, Dougie93 said: what is the moral of the story ? Gawd, you babble a lot. LOL 4 posts to say what??? Duh.... nothing 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Iceni warrior Posted February 10, 2023 Report Posted February 10, 2023 8 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Gawd, you babble a lot. LOL 4 posts to say what??? Duh.... nothing You don't have to find Dougie's posts interesting but you cannot call them empty. Many do find him interesting and informative though. Including generals. I've followed him across 4 sites now for the insights he gives into military history and I'm a panty waist liberal. Don't be a blockhead. Quote
blackbird Posted February 11, 2023 Author Report Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) I have a feeling we will never know what the balloon really was. It was mentioned on the news giving information out about it might now not happen because of "national security". After all the claims that it was a spy balloon, why would they admit they were wrong? When the top brass would have to backtrack on something like that, then I guess it could be a "national security" issue as it would throw into question their judgment. Edited February 11, 2023 by blackbird Quote
PIK Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 On 2/8/2023 at 9:32 AM, ExFlyer said: Gotta wonder what prompted them sending a balloon when spy satellites are doing the same with the same results or... are there different sensors/detectors/cameras on the balloons looking for something else?? See the reaction? Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 Google Japanese balloons during WW2 Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
ExFlyer Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Iceni warrior said: You don't have to find Dougie's posts interesting but you cannot call them empty. Yes I can and you don't have to like it. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Dougie93 Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 bear in mind, that while America has bases surrounding China, from which we can conduct SIGINT on them they don't have any bases near America which would allow them to do the same the Chinese cannot orbit right outside of American airspace to conduct SIGINT like our RC-135's so for China, this transoceanic ranged persistent SIGINT capability by balloon satellite makes sense Quote
ExFlyer Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, PIK said: See the reaction? Yup. Clearly the Admins are scared of the gang or support them fully and will do nothing, as they said they would Edited February 11, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Iceni warrior Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 4 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Yes I can and you don't have to like it. It's your own time you are wasting. You could be learning instead. Quote
Dougie93 Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) the other thing is : the Chinese don't invent anything themselves the Chinese only copy America, they steal any idea America has, since Communists cannot create and this whole Geostationary Balloon Satellite idea came from America the Pentagon came up with this idea, the Chinese have simply stolen it, like they steal everything else we know what a Geostationary Balloon Satellite looks like because this is something we came up with first Edited February 11, 2023 by Dougie93 Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted February 11, 2023 Report Posted February 11, 2023 Congrats on shooting down the Chinese balloon after it had completed its mission and providing little disincentive for repeating another balloon. We showed them. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
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