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With the failing health care system, the failing parole boards, the failing bail system, and the obsession of the PM with his own personal interests instead of taking care of Canada, is the federal system really viable anymore?

 I am wondering if federalism is really a viable system any longer.  Would provinces be better off as sovereign jurisdictions so they could look after the justice system, health care system and everything else properly?  The federal system is becoming more of a disaster every day.  It is clear cooperative federalism is not working the way it should.  There is constant tension and differences between what the federal government is doing or not doing and what the provinces are doing or think should be done.  The provinces do not have control or jurisdiction in some critical areas that are failing Canadians.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Isn’t this provincial jurisdiction?   You would blame the Feds for bad weather.  

Did you not hear that the provinces are saying the federal government is supposed to be funding 35% of the costs and the federal government (Trudeau) is refusing meet with them.  Where have you been hiding?  My point is if the federal government and the provinces cannot work together, what is the use of continuing the federalism?  This is a disaster for Canadians.  Canadians do not care about the politics;  they want action and important things to be taken care of.  Canadians don't want to watch people dying in emergency rooms for lack of care.

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Calgary Herald; This is a glimpse at their respective ratios of health-care bureaucrats to populations: Canada has one healthcare administrator for every 1,415 citizens. Germany: one healthcare administrator for every 15,545.

There's the problem and what's going on now will only make it worse.  This applies to other government functions as well.  The Feds and every Province have to get an oar in.  Want to get something done...make it the responsibility of one person.  Want nothing done...make a committee.

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10 hours ago, blackbird said:

With the failing health care system, the failing parole boards, the failing bail system, and the obsession of the PM with his own personal interests instead of taking care of Canada, is the federal system really viable anymore?

I am wondering if federalism is really a viable system any longer....

Are you crazy?

Canada has about the same population as California - 35 million people or so.

Yet Canada has a federal system and two official state languages.

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10 hours ago, blackbird said:

With the failing health care system, the failing parole boards, the failing bail system, and the obsession of the PM with his own personal interests instead of taking care of Canada, is the federal system really viable anymore?

 I am wondering if federalism is really a viable system any longer.  Would provinces be better off as sovereign jurisdictions so they could look after......

For historical reasons, in Canada, we have no federal Education bureaucracy.

For political reasons, our health system is based on provincial governments.

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IMHO, Canada is a viable, civilised, federal, bilingual State  And we've done this longer than most places in the world.

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The question is, at best, incomplete. Absolute monarchy is viable with a population of medieval peasants and not, in a modern society. For a patriarchal remote backwaters of the developed world, OK maybe for a while longer. For a contemporary thriving democratic society, no way.

There's no point in asking questions because we cannot get any meaningful answers. The system forgot how it's done. That is no democracy, cannot be.

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I see a lot of measurements based on feelings.  Are there objective measures that can be used to tell whether Canada works, or if it doesn’t?  
 

i think so…

Here’s a list of how Canada ranks in a number of categories   To look at that and say “Canada is failing” is to deny reality.
 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Canada

 

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Most unaffordable housing, worst public healthcare system, worst corporate tax system, highest cellphone rates, lowest fuel efficiency: are all real measurable things.

A bunch of feel-goodie fuzzy stuff about progress and democracy. A full democracy? Only because those making these ratings don't understand how Canada works. A great poster does not mean a working thing; democracy without real choice cannot be full or working. Canada is a great democratic poster, not a working democracy.

And all of that, in a biggest, richest country in the world. Can we do better? And is even this state sustainable? We may have a glimpse of the answer already. Name three to five top public problems three decades back. And check which have been solved. Since then, a few new ones added.

Old age security? Worked with 20 million population in a richest country in the world. Will it work with 100 million?

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4 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What would the breakup of the country into smaller parts do for housing affordability?

Isn't it funny how feel-fuzzy left can think only in binary categories? If not total nirvana now then has to be a catastrophe tomorrow. This is already a symptom by the way, and hardly a good one. When you cannot adapt and change for the better the only option you have is to ignore the reality and pretend that things are the greatest as they are.

It doesn't change the reality though.. only your future.

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6 minutes ago, myata said:

Isn't it funny how feel-fuzzy left can think only in binary categories? If not total nirvana now then has to be a catastrophe tomorrow. This is already a symptom by the way, and hardly a good one. When you cannot adapt and change for the better the only option you have is to ignore the reality and pretend that things are the greatest as they are.

It doesn't change the reality though.. only your future.

In nearly every measure Canada is ranked near the top of the world.  In a few, it’s not.  No country is at the top in every category. 
 

So, the answer to the question is that clearly Canada works as well as any nation on Earth, and better than most.  
 

The contention that breaking up the country will improve it in the categories that it’s lacking, while not harming the other categories, is a fantasy.  

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"TORONTO - 

A new report has ranked Canada's health system second last, ahead of the United States, among high-income countries.

The report, released on Wednesday by the Commonwealth Fund, ranked 11 high-income countries on key health-system measures, including equity, access to care, affordability, health-care outcomes, and administrative efficiency.

The report found that the top-performing health systems overall are in Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia, while Switzerland, Canada and the U.S. were the countries with the worst health-care systems, respectively."

Canada's health system ranked second last among 11 countries: report | CTV News

In spite of Canada having a very large geographical area with unlimited natural resources, which should mean a lot of wealth, Canada appears to be tied in knots by politics making it paralyzed and unable to solve the real down-to-earth problems such as the health care crisis, housing crisis, etc.  Some provinces are running multi-billion dollar surpluses like B.C., yet their public health systems are still in a crisis.  Obviously very badly managed by both levels of government.  While they sit back and blame shift, the crisis grows worse.  Seriously, would it better to have just one level of government which everyone would know is 100% responsible for running things?  Instead they can sit back and claim it is not their fault now.

Plus we have an aging population which will in the next decades put very heavy pressure on the health care system, old age home care and pensions, etc.  Yet the federal government seems oblivious to the problems and just presses ahead throwing hundreds of millions of dollars around for everything under the sun including consulting companies without having a real handle on things.

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We also have a dysfunctional immigration system that has made an illegal border crossing at Roxham Road in Quebec completely legitimate.  Even though the Quebec government opposes it, Trudeau still allows and fully supports the illegal immigration by providing RCMP to help immigrants come in and then they receive all the benefits.  Some benefits they receive, people already in Canada can't get.  This is an extra burden on the health care system and social services that Canadians pay for and it bypasses the proper legal immigration system.  Law-abiding people applying through the proper channels are pushed further down the list as a result as well.

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9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"TORONTO - 

A new report has ranked Canada's health system second last, ahead of the United States, among high-income countries.

The report, released on Wednesday by the Commonwealth Fund, ranked 11 high-income countries on key health-system measures, including equity, access to care, affordability, health-care outcomes, and administrative efficiency.

The report found that the top-performing health systems overall are in Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia, while Switzerland, Canada and the U.S. were the countries with the worst health-care systems, respectively."

Canada's health system ranked second last among 11 countries: report | CTV News

In spite of Canada having a very large geographical area with unlimited natural resources, which should mean a lot of wealth, Canada appears to be tied in knots by politics making it paralyzed and unable to solve the real down-to-earth problems such as the health care crisis, housing crisis, etc.  Some provinces are running multi-billion dollar surpluses like B.C., yet their public health systems are still in a crisis.  Obviously very badly managed by both levels of government.  While they sit back and blame shift, the crisis grows worse.  Seriously, would it better to have just one level of government which everyone would know is 100% responsible for running things?  Instead they can sit back and claim it is not their fault now.

Plus we have an aging population which will in the next decades put very heavy pressure on the health care system, old age home care and pensions, etc.  Yet the federal government seems oblivious to the problems and just presses ahead throwing hundreds of millions of dollars around for everything under the sun including consulting companies without having a real handle on things.

 

How do you get from “our healthcare needs improvement” to “the way to improve healthcare is to break up the country”?

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19 minutes ago, blackbird said:

"TORONTO - 

A new report has ranked Canada's health system second last, ahead of the United States, among high-income countries.

The report, released on Wednesday by the Commonwealth Fund, ranked 11 high-income countries on key health-system measures, including equity, access to care, affordability, health-care outcomes, and administrative efficiency.

The report found that the top-performing health systems overall are in Norway, the Netherlands, and Australia, while Switzerland, Canada and the U.S. were the countries with the worst health-care systems, respectively."

Canada's health system ranked second last among 11 countries: report | CTV News

In spite of Canada having a very large geographical area with unlimited natural resources, which should mean a lot of wealth, Canada appears to be tied in knots by politics making it paralyzed and unable to solve the real down-to-earth problems such as the health care crisis, housing crisis, etc.  Some provinces are running multi-billion dollar surpluses like B.C., yet their public health systems are still in a crisis.  Obviously very badly managed by both levels of government.  While they sit back and blame shift, the crisis grows worse.  Seriously, would it better to have just one level of government which everyone would know is 100% responsible for running things?  Instead they can sit back and claim it is not their fault now.

Plus we have an aging population which will in the next decades put very heavy pressure on the health care system, old age home care and pensions, etc.  Yet the federal government seems oblivious to the problems and just presses ahead throwing hundreds of millions of dollars around for everything under the sun including consulting companies without having a real handle on things.

I heard about the report this morning. Compounding the fact Canada is second-last in health care delivery, it is second-highest on that list in health care cost.

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20 hours ago, Tony Hladun said:

Calgary Herald; This is a glimpse at their respective ratios of health-care bureaucrats to populations: Canada has one healthcare administrator for every 1,415 citizens. Germany: one healthcare administrator for every 15,545.

There's the problem and what's going on now will only make it worse.  This applies to other government functions as well.  The Feds and every Province have to get an oar in.  Want to get something done...make it the responsibility of one person.  Want nothing done...make a committee.

Because we have ten systems, we duplicate the bureaucracy 10 times. Germany only has one.

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