What can Conservatives do?

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

And i can't pick a lane, here is my lane, when Canadians jump into action and believe Climate change is real instead of just giving it lip service then maybe i'll get my pom poms out again

Canadians only ever jump into action for one thing

to fight a foreign war ostensibly in defence of the free world

 it's the only thing Canadians have ever killed & died for

the metaphysical Canada resides across the sea

at Pas-de-Calais

Edited November 25, 2022 by Dougie93

[cougar]

7 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

If you were hungry, would you eat the least rotten in the box?  Or just choose to starve?

I thought someone would say that.

The thing is, I do not need to eat any of the rotten apples to survive.

I do not even need to look at the box which gives me displeasure.

What I can do is look at the beautiful things still left, think about the nice things, never waste a single second on any rotten apple or the idea that my choice of apples might improve my life.

Things are relatively simple - just try to stay a bit above average.  A society made up of 50% or more of failed people does not work and our rotten apples should know that.   So they will try to avoid this scenario, or so I think.

 

[I am Groot]

19 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody said it has no effect.  Money doesn't come from thin air, and today's higher interest rates can partially be blamed on Trudeau's spending.  Whether he spent blew a hole in the budget or not, inflation is a global phenomenon.  Is this sinking in?  Are you aware that global inflation doubled this year?  I've pointed it out to you now something like...a half dozen times?  

It might have had little effect compared to the Russian war and China eating its own tail over covid, but it will damn sure have a growing effect on the future of Canada if we continue to borrow tens of billions of dollars every year under interest rates which are multiple times greater than they were when Trudeau was elected. Just servicing the debt will grow enormously as we not only borrow more but have to refinance past debt which was borrowed at rock bottom interest rates under what we have to pay now.

[Moonbox]

1 hour ago, I am Groot said:

It might have had little effect compared to the Russian war and China eating its own tail over covid, but it will damn sure have a growing effect on the future of Canada if we continue to borrow tens of billions of dollars every year under interest rates which are multiple times greater than they were when Trudeau was elected.

Yes, this is very true.  It is not without cost.  If we don't reverse course, our credit ratings will drop, our ability to service our debt will diminish and we'll be forced to pay higher interest rates which will make it even harder.  There will come a time where we only have three options:

1)  Raise Taxes

2) Gut public spending

3) Allow the currency to inflate

#3 is not happening yet.  The BoC isn't inflating away anything and that's why we've seen interest rates spike.  If we wait too long to fix things, however, 1 and 2 might no longer be viable options on their own and we'll end up in the crappy situation where we have to.  These are failed economics that the BoC is trying to steer us away from.  They've been warning about debt and speculative housing bubbles etc since 2018, but nobody really listened, content to meander blissfully into the bursting and then blame the BoC after the fact for their own mistakes.   

[ironstone]

On 11/21/2022 at 2:20 PM, Tony Hladun said:

dialamah,

Thanks, you make good points.  I'll add a few comments.

If Conservatives had a plan I'm hoping that would take away some of the support for the extreme right.  There's a vacuum there now and the extremists fill it.

In talking about government debts you have to include provincial debts which add a lot.  The problems with debt become more of an issue as interest rates rise; as is happening now.  If you look at Canada as a resource supplier than our economy is stronger than the US, but if look at technology than the US is stronger.  So, as always, it depends.

Regarding CC I would say WHAT CAN WE DO NOW.  Here are four quick suggestions:

1. In Alberta we've converted our coal plants to run on gas.  Trouble is those plants have a thermal efficiency of about 30% when a phone call to GE could get gas turbine combined cycle plants that are 60% efficient.  Good publicity but bad engineering.
2. EV's are not the answer, PHEV's are.  PHEV's allow for a gradual transition that can start today.  The batteries in one EV could electrify about 10 PHEV's so you get leverage.  Also, most commutes are short and could be done on electric power rather than lugging 1,500 lbs of batteries you never use.
3. Over 160 ships and submarines are powered by small nuclear reactors like is being talked about today.  They have long operational records.  Stop talking and build them!
4. When I grew up on the farm we put storm windows on in the fall.  Let's do things to make buildings more energy efficient.  Not just gimmick new construction but what about existing buildings.

Canada is two countries in one.   We are an energy producer and and energy consumer rolled into one.  It's like taking Kuwait and gluing it onto France.  Right now I say the energy consumers are blaming and crippling the energy producers but doing nothing positive.  

 

I agree with a lot of what you say except the part about the extreme right in the conservative movement. These days, being pro-life can be considered extremist when it is not.

I think of the Chretien/Martin era when they were very aggressive in trying to balance the budget, and they were successful. Many of us didn't like how they did it at the time, but it did work. Currently, any Conservative politician that would propose these same kinds of measures would immediately be labeled a right-wing extremist

People and the MSM have always been far more forgiving to the Liberals than they would to the Conservatives, even when both governments are enacting virtually identical policies.

Liberal energy policy drives me nuts. The same can be said for the majority of democratic leaders world-wide. They are moving way too fast without a reliable alternative in place. Yes to more hybrids, yes to nuclear powered container ships.

Yes to more nuclear energy.

I think it makes more sense to adapt to the climate than to squander trillions while China and India sit back and laugh.

John Robson had a good article years ago suggesting that Conservatives might have more success if they actually were more conservative and not emulating the Liberals.

[Jack9000]

well to get my vote they would have to ditch skippy and appoint a center-right leader like  chong  or someone similiar to him but that aint gonna happen..it's a real shame also i may just not vote in the next election trudeau ministers freeland with her comments lately and then the newfoundland minister with his sick and tired of hearing about the cold winter plus  putting a carbon tax on us in atlantic canada starting next july  the libs have lost my vote  at the moment.. 

[blackbird]

Dividing the Conservative between so-called social conservatives and the rest of conservatives is just what the liberals and left want.  Throwing around the phrase social conservatives is actually helping liberals.  It implies there is something radical or wrong with them when in fact they are the ones who are correct and are on the right track.   I don't see drag queens or gender orientation as being in the centre of society and attention as a positive future for Canada.

Edited November 27, 2022 by blackbird

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, blackbird said:

Dividing the Conservative between so-called social conservatives and the rest of conservatives is just what the liberals and left want.  Throwing around the phrase social conservatives is actually helping liberals.  It implies there is something radical or wrong with them when in fact they are the ones who are correct and are on the right track.   I don't see drag queens or gender orientation as being in the centre of society and attention as a positive future for Canada.

No, you see drag queens and gender orientation as an opportunity to cancel the left wing for being the Gates of Hell.

How's that working out for you BTW?

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

No, you see drag queens and gender orientation as an opportunity to cancel the left wing for being the Gates of Hell.

How's that working out for you BTW?

I see the liberals as creating Sodom and Gomorrah, not the kind of country any thinking moral person would want.  Do you really believe you can fight against God and win?   Fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

"27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28  So Christ was4 once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation."  Hebrews 9: 27, 28 

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, blackbird said:

  Do you really believe you can fight against God and win?  

Ok, so GOD is doing the cancelling... I'll wait in the lounge for that one if it's ok...

[blackbird]

This is especially for those last few commenters who spend their time fighting against God.  Seems they don't know anything about the message of the Bible and the danger they are in for eternity.

quote

God’s Word to You: A Summary of the Bible

In the beginning, the all-powerful, personal God created the universe. This God created human beings in His image to live joyfully in His presence, in humble submission to His gracious authority. But all of us have rebelled against God and, in consequence, must suffer the punishment of our rebellion: physical death and the wrath of God.

Thankfully, God initiated a rescue plan, which began with His choosing the nation of Israel to display His glory in a fallen world. The Bible describes how God acted mightily on Israel’s behalf, rescuing His people from slavery and then giving them His holy law. But God’s people – like all of us – failed to rightly reflect the glory of God.

Then, in the fullness of time, in the Person of Jesus Christ, God Himself came to renew the world and restore His people. Jesus perfectly obeyed the law given to Israel. Though innocent, He suffered the consequences of human rebellion by His death on a cross. But three days later, God raised Him from the dead.

Now the church of Jesus Christ has been commissioned by God to take the news of Christ’s work to the world. Empowered by God’s Spirit, the church calls all people everywhere to repent of sin and to trust in Christ alone for our forgiveness. Repentance and faith restores our relationship with God and results in a life of ongoing transformation.

The Bible promises that Jesus Christ will return to this earth as the conquering King. Only those who live in repentant faith in Christ will escape God’s judgment and live joyfully in God’s presence for all eternity. God’s message is the same to all of us: repent and believe, before it is too late. Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and you will be saved.   Unquote

God's Word to You: A Summary of the Bible in 311 Words (thegospelcoalition.org)

[herbie]

On 11/25/2022 at 8:10 AM, ironstone said:

People and the MSM have always been far more forgiving to the Liberals than they would to the Conservatives, even when both governments are enacting virtually identical policies.

You mean the legacy media, the established media.

And yes they have done exactly that BECAUSE Conservative governments push themselves as the effective money managers, act exactly the same, and are all tossed out after running up huge deficits. Tax and spend, just like the Liberals,

[blackbird]

On 11/27/2022 at 5:31 PM, eyeball said:

No, you see drag queens and gender orientation as an opportunity to cancel the left wing for being the Gates of Hell.

How's that working out for you BTW?

I replied 2 hours ago to your post with a short 300 word explanation of what the central message in the Bible is.

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so GOD is doing the cancelling... I'll wait in the lounge for that one if it's ok...

Gods' not doing any canceling, he was canceled a long time ago. it's the devils work, he lives on the left side of town, but occasional crosses the street to the right side. 

[eyeball]

On 11/28/2022 at 7:34 PM, Army Guy said:

Gods' not doing any canceling, he was canceled a long time ago. it's the devils work, he lives on the left side of town, but occasional crosses the street to the right side. 

The good nuns used to hit my wife's left hand with their pointers if they found her using it instead of her right hand in class.  That pretty much cancelled the end of her family's relationship with Jesus.

[Army Guy]

45 minutes ago, eyeball said:

The good nuns used to hit my wife's left hand with their pointers if they found her using it instead of her right hand in class.  That pretty much cancelled the end of her family's relationship with Jesus.

Funny, it always comes down to the Nun's, and schools, they are all Hardases, evil at times, i think this is what happens when you don't get sex on a regular basis.

Why can you not serve God and still have sex. I'm pretty sure if everyone got laid regularly, we would not be as mess up... this could be the new road to getting elected to PM, ensuring the country is getting laid. Even the left likes to get laid, well i hope so anyways. 

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Why can you not serve God and still have sex. I'm pretty sure if everyone got laid regularly, we would not be as mess up...

God should have made us to be more like some creature that simply reproduces like a crab where we simply...spawn.  Instead he creates this entire universe and then spends the rest of eternity deeply concerned over what we do with our private bits.  He must be nuts or something.