Banning Canadian Culture

[Zeitgeist]

11 hours ago, August1991 said:

My greater fear is different:

-Many women, living alone, view the State as their protector.

-And these women view democracy as the State.

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Women and men have a different view of life.

 

I think you’re right and I think women elected Trudeau.  He reminds them of a naive son or a childhood crush.  

Edited October 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Boges]

What's uniquely Canadian about Halloween? 

For a school board it's probably not worth the time and effort with all the issues caused by controversial costumes. 

AFIK Halloween is not being banned in Canada. 

[Zeitgeist]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

What's uniquely Canadian about Halloween? 

For a school board it's probably not worth the time and effort with all the issues caused by controversial costumes. 

AFIK Halloween is not being banned in Canada. 

You clearly don’t have young kids.  

[Boges]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

You clearly don’t have young kids.  

I do.

We got our 3-year-old his costume on the weekend. 

Halloween, like Christmas and Thanksgiving can't be cancelled because it's something people do independent of any authority. 

Kids walk down the street and ring on doors with their lights on and pumpkins on the step with the expectation of candy being given to them. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, Boges said:

I do.

We got our 3-year-old his costume on the weekend. 

Halloween, like Christmas and Thanksgiving can't be cancelled because it's something people do independent of any authority. 

Kids walk down the street and ring on doors with their lights on and pumpkins on the step with the expectation of candy being given to them. 

 

You might feel more passionate when your child is in Kindergarten and not allowed to come to school and do the things you enjoyed, like march around the school in costume with his class.  Banning such events because a few people don’t care or like this aspect of Canadian culture is wrong in my opinion.  

[Michael Hardner]

12 hours ago, August1991 said:

My greater fear is different:

-Many women, living alone, view the State as their protector.

-And these women view democracy as the State.

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Women and men have a different view of life.

 

So.... you fear that taxpayer-funded police forces exist ?

I like your post but they give the odd impression that you have deleted 2/3 of the sentences just before hitting POST.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

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Halloween, like Christmas and Thanksgiving can't be cancelled because it's something people do independent of any authority. 

 

Anything or any tradition can be canceled for any reason really, we have seen it happen over and over again, to think any of our traditions are 100 % safe, is naive really. Canada is not telling immigrants come here and enjoy our Canadian culture, it has been changing Canadian culture to meet their needs so we can call ourselves diverse. it is a slow but steady process, but it is happening. If you had said 20 years ago, we would have a million genders i would have thought, you were crazy....and poof today well there is an infinite number. 

These Canadian customs or holidays are being tweaked every year, with more and more restrictions placed upon them.

To give you an example Federal government renamed Christmas holidays to holiday season, becasue it is a Christian holiday, they have since renamed the soldier Christmas dinner where the chain of command celebrates the junior soldiers for all their hard work, today it is known as just soldiers' dinner to make it even more non-descript. During these calibrations Santa use to hand out promotions, awards and give some time off, now Santa is no longer used it is not universal symbol. 

 

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Anything or any tradition can be canceled for any reason really, we have seen it happen over and over again, to think any of our traditions are 100 % safe, is naive really. Canada is not telling immigrants come here and enjoy our Canadian culture, it has been changing Canadian culture to meet their needs so we can call ourselves diverse. it is a slow but steady process, but it is happening. If you had said 20 years ago, we would have a million genders i would have thought, you were crazy....and poof today well there is an infinite number. 

These Canadian customs or holidays are being tweaked every year, with more and more restrictions placed upon them.

To give you an example Federal government renamed Christmas holidays to holiday season, becasue it is a Christian holiday, they have since renamed the soldier Christmas dinner where the chain of command celebrates the junior soldiers for all their hard work, today it is known as just soldiers' dinner to make it even more non-descript. During these calibrations Santa use to hand out promotions, awards and give some time off, now Santa is no longer used it is not universal symbol. 

 

 

Yes, and I can honestly say that if we give up traditions and reduce society to having numbered holidays and turning our social contract into a collective agreement between those in power and those who are doing the bulk of the work at the bottom, that’s communism.

Who will assert the founding cultural traditions of Canada?  So far it’s the Québécois, splintered Indigenous groups, and self-segregated newcomers from Muslim or atheist societies.  It’s fair to assert Canadian traditions, including English Canadian ones, yet we are constantly being told by our own government to suppress that identity because it’s racist or colonial.

Of course we know that other more recent immigrant cultures are asserting themselves with much affirmation. I don’t even oppose that. Celebrate your traditions, but don’t seek to strip away the culture of your new homeland.  I’d never expect Egypt to be less Egyptian or France to be less French because I move there.  

Edited October 18, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

17 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes, and I can honestly say that if we give up traditions and reduce society to having numbered holidays and turning our social contract into a collective agreement between those in power and those who are doing the bulk of the work at the bottom, that’s communism.

all the tenets of Communism are in play

first of all, the Utopianism

the purpose of Canada is now asserted be saving the world from "racism, misogyny & carbon"

then the Collectivism

your individual rights & liberties are negated in the name of the rights of the Collective

then the Hegelian Dialectic

the "intolerable" people with "unacceptable views" must be removed from society

then there is Equity

you are no longer equal before the law, in the name of making everyone equal in terms of outcomes

then the Authoritarianism,

anyone who dissents is subjected to Chinese Communist style internal exile

the government is no longer fiscally responsible, they simply print money to fund everything

the government has crossed the threshold to seizing private property without court order

you are no longer permitted to peacefully assemble and protest, that is now deemed to be "illegal"

decisions are not taken by Parliament, the PM simply issues edicts from his office like a philosopher king

the government has been purging senior officers from the chain of command on trumped up charges

the government has been whipping up hatred against Jews & Christians

the public school system has been rendered into indoctrination camps

there is total surveillance of the population, every single thing you do is tracked & recorded

the police no longer require probable cause to investigate you on the streets

there is no longer a free press, the entire press is just a propaganda arm for one political party & ideology

the government has invoked martial law under false pretenses

the government is deliberately whipping up one hysterical social panic after the next

in order to run the country in a permanent state of emergency

the list goes on and on,  and is getting longer all the time

and the people genuinely fear the government

people are afraid to speak up, the vast majority are simply keeping their heads down in fear of reprisal

Edited October 19, 2022 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

25 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

all the tenets of Communism are in play

first of all, the Utopianism

the purpose of Canada is now asserted be saving the world from "racism, misogyny & carbon"

then the Collectivism

your individual rights & liberties are negated in the name of the rights of the Collective

then the Hegelian Dialectic

the "intolerable" people with "unacceptable views" must be removed from society

then there is Equity

you are no longer equal before the law, in the name of making everyone equal in terms of outcomes

then the Authoritarianism,

anyone who dissents is subjected to Chinese Communist style internal exile

 

It's like you cut/pasted from 'Das Kapital' and 'The phenomenology of Geist' !
Karl Marx talked nonstop of racism misogyny and carbon, of course... and Hegel was all about removing unacceptable views from society...

Why didn't you tell us you were a qualified history and economics professor !?!?

Do you remember when Hegel and Marx made that rap video to benefit the truckers ?   

More acid flashbacks please, grampa, we can't get enough....

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Why didn't you tell us you were a qualified history and economics professor !?!?
 

as if academics have any credibility now

I think most people are aware that the universities have become far left extremist lunatic asylums

Edited October 19, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's like you cut/pasted from 'Das Kapital' and 'The phenomenology of Geist' !
Karl Marx talked nonstop of racism misogyny and carbon, of course... and Hegel was all about removing unacceptable views from society...

Why didn't you tell us you were a qualified history and economics professor !?!?

Do you remember when Hegel and Marx made that rap video to benefit the truckers ?   

More acid flashbacks please, grampa, we can't get enough....

Dougie is about 90% correct in my opinion.  I have a different take on Hegel because I studied him and know how Marx corrupted his ideas.

Otherwise Dougie is describing the totalitarian creep that has taken hold in Canada.  I think it’s the result of a mixture of naïveté before international ideologues and the rise of Chinese surveillance totalitarian capitalism, the rise of the influence of A.I. data driven management, identity politics, Trudeau’s narcissistic need to appear virtuous (despite his hypocrisy and removal/denigrating of opposition), and the blunt, slow-moving instruments used to solve perceived “crises”.  Our weak constitutional protections simply caved under these forces.  A different leader could do things quite differently, but the fact that Trudeau could act so arbitrarily and impose the E.A. so unaccountably tells us how weak our “democracy” really is.  

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

More acid flashbacks please, grampa, we can't get enough....

ah yes, the revolutionary student vanguard must rid the society of the Four Olds

straight out of the Chinese Cultural revolution

[Dougie93]

21 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Do you remember when Hegel and Marx made that rap video to benefit the truckers ?   

 

gang gang

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Dougie is about 90% correct in my opinion.  I have a different take on Hegel because I studied him and know how Marx corrupted his ideas.

it's not a question of blaming Hegel

the Hegelian Dialectic simply asserts that society is progressing towards a perfected state, through conflict

the contradictions of society must engage in a clash in order to progress

this then exhibits itself in the attempt to rid society of the "bad people" in order to achieve an Utopia

Communism can only be achieved if the Socialists win the societal war against those who dissent

hence why those on the left simply denounce rather than engage in a dialogue

you have nothing to offer society therein, you are simply an "evil white supremacist Nazi" blah, blah, blah

the first thing Trudeau said as soon as he was confronted by widespread protest

Edited October 19, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

42 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Our weak constitutional protections simply caved under these forces. 

and the poison pill therein is Section One of the Charter

because what the Liberals are doing is invoking one exponential crisis after the next

whipping the population up into one social panic after the next,  by way of their media propaganda arms

the world is ending due to climate change : Emergency !

there is an outbreak of a new flu like virus : Emergency !

and the latest one of course;

"the American white supremacists are invading" : Emergency !

everything is invoked as an emergency on the scale of a World War with the Nazis at the gates

thus Section One is then invoked to negate all your other rights after

the country is being kept in a permanent state of emergency

which is exactly how the Bolsheviks negated all the supposed rights in the Soviet constitution

on paper the USSR had a bill of rights similar to the American one, just like Canada does

the Bolsheviks simply declared that the enemies were at the gates, so it was an Emergency !

a never ending emergency that went on for 75 years

Edited October 19, 2022 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

54 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1. as if academics have any credibility now

2. I think most people are aware that the universes have become far left extremist lunatic asylums

1. Well, Professor, Look in the mirror I guess... quoting Hegel and Marx in a nonchalant and ridiculous way is a symptom of the disease right ?

2. Universes... ?   Lunatics say random things, by the bye...

[Dougie93]

49 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

but the fact that Trudeau could act so arbitrarily and impose the E.A. so unaccountably tells us how weak our “democracy” really is.  

and therein I see the danger as being a hard snap back into Fascism

this government by leftist lunatic asylum is collapsing the capacity of the state

the economy is at some point going to implode into a real catastrophic economic crisis

this Woke Green Social Justice Communism is going to fail catastrophically

history shows that the pendulum then swings hard in the opposite direction

and all the totalitarian levers will already be entrenched for a truly ferocious revanchist ideology to exploit

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well, Professor, Look in the mirror I guess... quoting Hegel and Marx in a nonchalant and ridiculous way is a symptom of the disease right ?

I didn't quote Hegel not Marx

I simply pointed out that the governments in Canada are employing the Hegelian Dialectic to divide & conquer

 they are dividing Canada into the "good" people & "bad" people

the "bad" people are "unacceptable and should not be tolerated"

[Boges]

20 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Anything or any tradition can be canceled for any reason really, we have seen it happen over and over again, to think any of our traditions are 100 % safe, is naive really. Canada is not telling immigrants come here and enjoy our Canadian culture, it has been changing Canadian culture to meet their needs so we can call ourselves diverse. it is a slow but steady process, but it is happening. If you had said 20 years ago, we would have a million genders i would have thought, you were crazy....and poof today well there is an infinite number. 

These Canadian customs or holidays are being tweaked every year, with more and more restrictions placed upon them.

To give you an example Federal government renamed Christmas holidays to holiday season, becasue it is a Christian holiday, they have since renamed the soldier Christmas dinner where the chain of command celebrates the junior soldiers for all their hard work, today it is known as just soldiers' dinner to make it even more non-descript. During these calibrations Santa use to hand out promotions, awards and give some time off, now Santa is no longer used it is not universal symbol. 

How long has this Christmas vs Holiday bullshit been a debate? 

You gotta come up with new examples. 

Christmas has never, in all of Western History, been primarily an event to celebrate the birth of Jesus. 

It's always been more shopping and putting up lights inline with old Pagan rituals. 

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. Universes... ?   Lunatics say random things, by the bye...

it's just a typo

you can call me a lunatic for pointing out the lunacy running amok in society

whatevs, seems like gaslighting /shrugs

 

[Moonbox]

I would understand (though not really agree) with canceling Christmas celebrations at a school, given how explicitly religious the holiday is.  The celebrations themselves are almost never religious flavored, but that might make sense in principle? 

Halloween though?  Give your freaking head a shake.  This sort of tone-deaf and draconic wokeness is what has made politics so divisive over the last 15 years.  A pointless, idiotic measure like this is symbolic of how intellectually bankrupt the "woke culture" or whatever you want to call it can be.  When militant wokeness oversteps like this, the loss in credibility makes it so much harder for actually important appeals for equality/inclusivity to move forward.  

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

.  A different leader could do things quite differently,

see, I don't think so

I don't see Trudeau as the cause, but rather a product

I fear the right will employ all the same tactics, fight fire with fire

and when the right adopts the Hegelian Dialectic, that's the road to National Socialism

the left may be crying wolf about the Nazis right now

but that doesn't mean Herr Wolf is not out there, waiting in the wings

it's the centre which is collapsing, liberalism itself

[Dougie93]

25 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

 This sort of tone-deaf and draconic wokeness is what has made politics so divisive over the last 15 years.  .  

the thing that happened 15 years ago was the collapse of the global financial markets

the draconic nature of things, is an attempt to stave off a revolt by the masses

because we have been in a depression for all intents & purposes ever since

it's simply being masked by exponential inflation, called Quantitative Easing

we are in a deflationary spiral, hidden by printing trillions of new dollars

people are drowning in this inflation now, becoming ever more desperate

so the impetus to keep the population divided & conquered incites the draconian measures

[PIK]

The handgun sale freeze will ve the end of competitive shooting in canada.