Support for monarchy

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

 an honorable man of the Commonwealth. 

 

no

I will not be  a man of the Commonwealth

as it stands for nothing, means nothing

either I die under the Union Jack for the Empire

or under Old Glory for the Union

and since Canada renounces the Empire

I fall back to the light of civilization itself

Inalienable rights endowed by the Creator

America is after all,

the ultimate Scots Irish Protestant project

yeehaw

 

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Now I am happy you are talking somewhat rational and not going after people's families.

 

the American TRIAD remains at fifteen minutes notice to launch on warning at all times

no foreign giant shall take a drink from the Mississippi

as they and their families shall burn in a thermonuclear firestorm

should they ever choose to make total war against the Glorious Union

Eagle with thunderbolts in talon's grasped

free all the slaves everywhere, or die trying

from Appomattox Court House to the Sea of Tranquility and beyond

 

[August1991]

19 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

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If there was a referendum tomorrow I will be voting to keep the monarchy...

....

Contrarian,

The Internet is forever.

Years ago, I favoured a Canadian Federal Republic. I still do.

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I have no problem with Charles, Harry or his wife.

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Too much free speech can end up creating Adolf Hitlers or Westboro Baptists.

 

No.  Free speech is the whole point.  It’s the civilizing force, the Logos.  The shift from physical to verbal battle is an incredible leap forward.  

[Zeitgeist]

4 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

no

I will not be  a man of the Commonwealth

as it stands for nothing, means nothing

either I die under the Union Jack for the Empire

or under Old Glory for the Union

and since Canada renounces the Empire

I fall back to the light of civilization itself

Inalienable rights endowed by the Creator

America is after all,

the ultimate Scots Irish Protestant project

yeehaw

 

Canada is the future.  That’s the eternal chant.  The last frontier.  Klondike Gold Rush, hewers of wood, Couriers de Bois.  Etienne Brûlée and the discovery of Toronto.  

[Moonlight Graham]

On 9/16/2022 at 11:16 PM, Army Guy said:

Why go through the whole process, if we are not going to make it better, get rid of the GG as well, change everything that is linked with the past. No one wants to reopen the constitution is telling about our nation is it not, and it is not like it is a finished document that all provinces agreed to and signed...we just gave up, everyone quit and went home, or they were just too damn lazy.

It's not about laziness.  They tried 3 times to get Quebec to sign the Charter and it almost broke up the country each time.  It's very divisive.

The GG works fine, there's nothing functionally wrong with having the Crown, some people just don't like the royals.

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is the future.  That’s the eternal chant. 

but it's not true

Canada is archaic

a priggish Victorian country run by a self appointed Laurentian elite aristocracy

the future is on their smartphones awash in American politics & mono pop culture

if you ask a young person, they really know nothing about Canada and generally confuse it with America

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, Contrarian said:

nonsense Dougie. 

If there was a referendum tomorrow I will be voting to keep the monarchy, not because I am a loyalist fanatic, what i worry, it is very possible that a sudden change can shock society and can create radicalism in other areas. 

Now I am happy you are talking somewhat rational and not going after people's families. 

That is what the Nazis and the Communists do, be what you a preach, an honorable man of the Commonwealth. 

I suspect if we did away with the monarchy it would be headline news but in reality, few would care and most would not notice at all.

Doing away with monarchy only affect parliament (and the pictures on our money) and that can go on as usual.

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

 The last frontier.  Klondike Gold Rush, hewers of wood, Couriers de Bois.  Etienne Brûlée and the discovery of Toronto.  

actually I think Justin Trudeau accurately represents what Canada is now

the effete, urbane, pseudo academic fop, ceaselessly preening himself

and sneering at what he views as being the lower classes

it's became a nation of wannabe upper class twits

although unlike their British upper class counterparts, they never serve in the military

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

I suspect if we did away with the monarchy it would be headline news but in reality, few would care and most would not notice at all.

Doing away with monarchy only affect parliament (and the pictures on our money) and that can go on as usual.

so let's just change the name

no need to call it Canada

when in reality it's just American Protectorate Tax Jurisdiction North

no need for the federal government neither

Ontario can be an American protectorate without the criminal politicians from Ottawa trashing the place

Canada is not going out with a bang

it's just withering away

just like Newfoundland, on a larger scale

Edited September 18, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

9 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

No.  Free speech is the whole point.  It’s the civilizing force, the Logos.  The shift from physical to verbal battle is an incredible leap forward.  

Canadians simply do not believe in freedom

it's not the Canadian religion

the Canadian religion is government

Canadians believe that you are only entitled to what liberties you are allowed by the government

Canadians spend most of their time

telling each other to sit down, shut up, and do as your told by the government

and Canadians only have one solution to every problem

which is that the government should pass a law banning said problem

then waste a lot of money pointlessly trying to enforce the ban

Canadians believe that the press should be state run

the role of the press in Canada is not to hold the government accountable

quite the opposite,

Canadians believe the role of the press is to promote the government,  sing its praises ceaselessly

Canadians believe that speech should be tightly controlled

the government will tell you what are "acceptable views"

if you deviate in the slightest from the party line, that's "hate speech" and illegal

Canadians are terrified of freedom

it's much too dangerous for nanny state Canadians to allow people to be free

it really is a lunatic asylum, but it's so far gone,  that Canadians don't even notice that they are insane

Canadians exist entirely within the government nanny safe space bubble,

they can't even conceive that it is a prison

the government doesn't protect them, doesn't protect their rights, doesn't protect their property

the government only protects them from having to be free

its so much easier for Canadians to just obey, than it is to have to run their own lives

Canadians even go so far now, to say that "freedom" & "freedom of speech"

are "expressions of hate"

cuckoo-cuckoo

Edited September 18, 2022 by Dougie93

[ExFlyer]

52 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

so let's just change the name

no need to call it Canada

.....

Just because we dump the monarchy does not mean Canada ceases to exist.

Many countries have dumped the monarchy and do just fine.

Such a drama queen (or king) LOL

You are probably the most negative person on this forum.

Edited September 18, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Just because we dump the monarchy does not mean Canada ceases to exist.

Many countries have dumped the monarchy and do just fine.

Such a drama queen (or king) LOL

You are probably the most negative person on this forum.

oh I'm quite happy for you to make a republic

that would free me from any further allegiance to the nanny state lunatics here

go ahead and write a new constitution

I wish you would

 

[-TSS-]

I don't think there will ever be such advancement in the field of medicine so that 96 would be an average life-expectancy. 

[myata]

"I have this thing stuck on my foot for I don't know how long so I'll have to endure it for the rest of my life".

Who thinks this way? In what Jurassic zoo?

Notice, we cant even speak much sense any more, how are we supposed to succeed in these times? "Such a can of worms don't touch it with a stick" - what exactly do you mean? Note that the meaning will be imposed by what you say or not, either way.

You cannot change things that need to be changed (51 to 60+%) in your own country? Translated: you are not a sovereign and independent country.

You don't want to change them, translated: the "democracy" is a sham; you decide what will happen not the citizens.

You don't care to change outdated things you have outgrown? Translated: you cannot have a real democracy. Democracy cannot survive in the medium of mental laziness, weakness of will and complacency.

Just pick one. Why do you need useless, meaningless cliches, to cover what exactly?

[Dougie93]

if you're going to be accurate tho

truly reflect the nature of the Canadian state

it should be called the People's Republic of Canada

and the military should be called the People's Liberation Army of Canada

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, myata said:

"I have this thing stuck on my foot for I don't know how long so I'll have to endure it for the rest of my life".

Who thinks this way? In what Jurassic zoo?

Notice, we cant even speak much sense any more, how are we supposed to succeed in these times? "Such a can of worms don't touch it with a stick" - what exactly do you mean? Note that the meaning will be imposed by what you say or not, either way.

You cannot change things that need to be changed (51 to 60+%) in your own country? Translated: you are not a sovereign and independent country.

You don't want to change them, translated: the "democracy" is a sham; you decide what will happen not the citizens.

You don't care to change outdated things you have outgrown? Translated: you cannot have a real democracy. Democracy cannot survive in the medium of mental laziness, weakness of will and complacency.

Just pick one. Why do you need useless, meaningless cliches, to cover what exactly?

Can you say scatterbrain"?

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

oh I'm quite happy for you to make a republic

that would free me from any further allegiance to the nanny state lunatics here

go ahead and write a new constitution

I wish you would

 

 

Just now, Dougie93 said:

if you're going to be accurate tho

truly reflect the nature of the Canadian state

it should be called the People's Republic of Canada

and the military should be called the People's Liberation Army of Canada

Canada is what it is and would remain so if the monarchy was abolished.

Your view is nonsensical.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, myata said:

 Translated: you are not a sovereign and independent country.

Canada was never designed to be one

Canada was not sovereign nor independent upon Confederation in 1867

Canada is simply the Confederation

it was only designed to be an east west trade & military agreement within the British Empire

to defend the British Crown in North America from an American invasion

Edited September 18, 2022 by Dougie93

[Zeitgeist]

43 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Canadians simply do not believe in freedom

it's not the Canadian religion

the Canadian religion is government

Canadians believe that you are only entitled to what liberties you are allowed by the government

Canadians spend most of their time

telling each other to sit down, shut up, and do as your told by the government

and Canadians only have one solution to every problem

which is that the government should pass a law banning said problem

then waste a lot of money pointlessly trying to enforce the ban

Canadians believe that the press should be state run

the role of the press in Canada is not to hold the government accountable

quite the opposite,

Canadians believe the role of the press is to promote the government,  sing its praises ceaselessly

Canadians believe that speech should be tightly controlled

the government will tell you what are "acceptable views"

if you deviate in the slightest from the party line, that's "hate speech" and illegal

Canadians are terrified of freedom

it's much too dangerous for nanny state Canadians to allow people to be free

it really is a lunatic asylum, but it's so far gone,  that Canadians don't even notice that they are insane

Canadians exist entirely within the government nanny safe space bubble,

they can't even conceive that it is a prison

the government doesn't protect them, doesn't protect their rights, doesn't protect their property

the government only protects them from having to be free

its so much easier for Canadians to just obey, than it is to have to run their own lives

Canadians even go so far now, to say that "freedom" & "freedom of speech"

are "expressions of hate"

cuckoo-cuckoo

That’s the truth that most Canadians don’t see and would struggle to admit.  It wasn’t always this way, but the absence of commentary from Canadian intellectuals on the degradation of our democracy is too obvious to ignore.

We had a few brave exceptions like Rex Murphy and Jordan Peterson calling out the problems, but the Canadian left was totally unquestioning and compliant.  Where was Naiomi Klein and other social justice activists when it came to calling out overreach?  The American left did better.  Beri Weiss was all over it.

Generally Canadians have lost their sense of the meaning of a free and truly liberal democracy. You can’t tell them.  It’s all denial and apology from characters like Exflyer. This forum was basically moribund during the protests except among a handful of commentators.  I don’t know what people think a healthy functioning democracy looks like, but Canada hasn’t been it for a while and needs serious restoration.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

 

Canada is what it is and would remain so if the monarchy was abolished.

Your view is nonsensical.

in recognition of Canada being a one party state

"Prime Minister" should be changed to "Chairman of the People's Liberal Party of Canada"

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s the truth that most Canadians don’t see and would struggle to admit.  It wasn’t always this way, but the absence of commentary from Canadian intellectuals on the degradation of our democracy is too obvious to ignore.

We had a few brave exceptions like Rex Murphy and Jordan Peterson calling out the problems, but the Canadian left was totally unquestioning and compliant.  Where was Naiomi Klein and other social justice activists when it came to calling out overreach?  The American left did better.  Beri Weiss was all over it.

Generally Canadians have lost their sense of the meaning of a free and truly liberal democracy. You can’t tell them.  It’s all denial and apology from characters like Exflyer. This forum was basically moribund during the protests except among a handful of commentators.  I don’t know what people think a healthy functioning democracy looks like, but Canada hasn’t been it for a while and needs serious restoration.

the Canadian "left" has simply evolved into a self appointed aristocracy

they fancy themselves to be the upper class, the ruling class

their wokeness is really just a way of separating themselves from the lower class proles whom they despise

what these leftist fear most, is being reduced to the proletariat themselves

they are all government apparatchiks,

because the overreaching government empowers them to be the upper class twits

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the Canadian "left" has simply evolved into a self appointed aristocracy

they fancy themselves to be the upper class, the ruling class

their wokeness is really just a way of separating themselves from the lower class proles whom they despise

what these leftist fear most, is being reduced to the proletariat themselves

they are all government apparatchiks,

because the overreaching government empowers them to be the upper class twits

Very true.  They say the most current politically correct things to maintain their power, but they don’t like the working class.  I suspect that they aren’t particularly diverse in their personal lives either.  At the same time they think that they are the vanguard saviours of workers, as only they know what people deserve and how they should live and think.  So much for laissez-faire and self-determination.  

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Very true.

I saw the shift occurring in real time back in the eighties

the leftists stopped defending the working class

and instead started to insinuate themselves into the bloated nanny state government

they simply wanted to live a taxpayer funded life

where they wouldn't have to work at the coal face with the rest of the hoi polloi

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 So much for laissez-faire and self-determination.  

well, this Canadian ruling class has a serious problem now

for years they have been feathering their nests by printing money

and bribing the public to tolerate their corruption by handing out printed money

but now all those printed dollars are flooding the economy, debasing the currency

so not just the working class, but the middle class too, are drowning in the inflation

thus the conditions for a counterrevolutionary upheaval against the self appointed aristocracy are at hand