The death industry for the disabled, mentally ill, and poor is ramping up in Canada

[blackbird]

The federal government has loosened the laws on Medical Assistance in Dying and is making it more easy to obtain.  Next year the mentally challenged or mentally ill will be free to obtain and there will be no shortage of care people advising them of their options.

FIRST READING: Canada is getting real comfortable with killing its disabled (msn.com)

Edited August 15, 2022 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

22 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The federal government has loosened the laws on Medical Assistance in Dying and is making it more easy to obtain.

Why shouldn’t people be allowed to choose how they wish to die?

[Army Guy]

50 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why shouldn’t people be allowed to choose how they wish to die?

Tell me how a mentally disable person can make those kind of decisions, "that of being of sound mind". and if it is not them making the decision then who?

Why would we not go done this path, i mean abortion is already legal and if we can kill unborn babies then we should be able to kill anything right , and for any reason. can't find an affordable apartment, depression, any excuse i guess... where do we draw the line. It should not be government sponsored, and nobody is stopping anyone from killing themselves, it is called suicide happens everyday. 

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Edited August 15, 2022 by Army Guy

[TreeBeard]

38 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Tell me how a mentally disable person can make those kind of decisions

If they can’t, then they’re not eligible for assisted death. 
 

Did you not read the eligibility criteria?

Edited August 15, 2022 by TreeBeard

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Why shouldn’t people be allowed to choose how they wish to die?

Simple.  If you had read the news article, you would find vulnerable people are having pressure put on them to consider medical assistance in dying.  People with mental issues have already been killed by MAID.  That will get far worse as the amended law allowing mental people to choose MAID kicks into effect next year.   I have a son in his fifties who has serious mental issues.  He is a schizophrenic.  He is not capable of rational thinking.  He should never be given that choice.  Other people with health problems that cost the medical system a lot of money or people with financial troubles or people not being properly treated for pain issues are under pressure and feel compelled to take medical assistance in dying.  One doesn't have to be a genius to see the problem with this system and the numbers of people choosing MAID is increasing by the thousands per year now.  The value of life is being degraded and disrespected.  People falsely think MAID is the answer to their problems when in fact it is only the beginning because they will meet their Creator who may have something to say about taking human life against his command.

Edited August 15, 2022 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

Just now, blackbird said:

Simple.  If you had read the news article, you would find vulnerable people are having pressure put on them to consider medical assistance in dying.  People with mental issues have already been killed by MAID.  That will get far worse as the amended law allowing mental people to choose MAID kicks into effect next year.   I have a son in his fifties who has serious mental issues.  He is a schizophrenic.  He is not capable of rational thinking.  He should never be given that choice.  Other people with health problems that cost the medical system a lot of money or people with financial troubles or people not being properly treated for pain issues are under pressure and feel compelled to take medical assistance in dying.  One doesn't have to be a genius to see the problem with this system and the numbers of people choosing MAID is increasing by the thousands per year now.  The value of life is being degraded and disrespected.

News?  Or Catholic opinion?  I think it’s the latter.  

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

News?  Or Catholic opinion?  I think it’s the latter.  

It is a National Post article, but it simple states the facts which you refuse to accept.

[TreeBeard]

44 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

i mean abortion is already legal and if we can kill unborn babies then we should be able to kill anything right

No, not quite. 
 

Bodily autonomy, unfortunately for the fetus, trumps their right to use the woman’s body.  
 

Just like a 10 year old can be let die if they need their mother’s blood.  They can’t get it without consent. 

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

It is a National Post article, but it simple states the facts which you refuse to accept.

I don’t accept the Catholic criticisms of assisted death.  That much is true. 

[blackbird]

44 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

I don’t accept the Catholic criticisms of assisted death.  That much is true. 

The National Post is not Catholic for one thing.  But even if it was a Catholic website, which it is not, it still states the facts that people who should not be dying are given medical assistance in dying.

[TreeBeard]

38 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The National Post is not Catholic for one thing.  But even if it was a Catholic website, which it is not, it still states the facts that people who should not be dying are given medical assistance in dying.

This article espouses a Catholic viewpoint and the owner of the NP is Catholic. 

[TreeBeard]

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

it still states the facts that people who should not be dying are given medical assistance in dying.

It states some opinions, devoid of most facts. 

[blackbird]

9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

This article espouses a Catholic viewpoint and the owner of the NP is Catholic. 

Some Catholics have enough moral values to recognize the sanctity of life.  Bravo to them.  The liberal mostly Catholic government, not so much.

Edited August 16, 2022 by blackbird

[TreeBeard]

10 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Some Catholics have enough moral values to recognize the sanctity of life.  Bravo to them.  The liberal mostly Catholic government, not so much.

What gives you the right to dictate that someone with a terminal illness can’t die with dignity and has to suffer until their last breath?

[blackbird]

27 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

What gives you the right to dictate that someone with a terminal illness can’t die with dignity and has to suffer until their last breath?

Simple.  Murder has always been illegal.  On top of that, many people are not mentally fit to make such a  decision and are not terminally ill but have their lives ended by this evil system.

[TreeBeard]

49 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Simple.  Murder has always been illegal.  On top of that, many people are not mentally fit to make such a  decision and are not terminally ill but have their lives ended by this evil system.

Murder is a legal term.  And assisted suicide is not murder.  
 

Why should you have a say in my suffering at the end of my life?

[blackbird]

37 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Murder is a legal term.  And assisted suicide is not murder.  
 

Why should you have a say in my suffering at the end of my life?

You are correct about the word "murder".  My apologies.  It is a legal term.  So it is not the correct word in this situation.  Killing is the correct word.  If the killing is unjustified, then that puts it in an entirely different light as well and could perhaps be examined as to it's legality and possibly challenged in a court of law as to whether it met the threshold of the immoral MAID law.

However, killing is condemned by God in the Bible and has historically been wrong.  Canada is one of the few and first countries to legalize euthanasia or doctor-assisted death.  Just because something is legal in one country does not make it moral or right.  Hitler and the Nazis legalized the killing of eight million Jews in the gas chambers.  In fact, some of their militaries committed genocide against the Jews and other people in various locations apart from the gas chambers.  They arbitrarily just executed people and dumped them in a pit.  Just because a state or country legalizes something does not make it right or legal.

As far as suffering, that is debatable as well.  The medical system has drugs they can administer to people for pain.  If someone is not receiving the care they should from the medical system, that is a deficiency in the system and does not justify ending someone's life by lethal injection.

In addition, what we talking about now is the change to the MAID system to allow people who are not suffering from pain and who are not terminally ill to receive doctor-assisted dying.  People who are mentally ill or suffering from depression, which sometimes disappears and sometimes can be treated do not deserve to die simply because they feel depressed and want to end their life at some given point.  That is like suicide.  People who want to commit suicide have always been seen as needing help, not needing lethal injection.  To think otherwise is a sign of serious mental disorder.

Edited August 16, 2022 by blackbird

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

Why shouldn’t people be allowed to choose how they wish to die?

So when someone can’t make medical decisions because they have been declared unable to do so, the power of attorney can say, “Treebird really wanted a painless and quick death.”  Those who are biochemically imbalanced will be able to get a doctor to help them off themselves.  So much for the Hippocratic Oath of doctors to help people who are sick.  This is the final solution of our failed healthcare system.  Welcome to creepy Canada.

Edited August 16, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Zeitgeist]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

No, not quite. 
 

Bodily autonomy, unfortunately for the fetus, trumps their right to use the woman’s body.  
 

Just like a 10 year old can be let die if they need their mother’s blood.  They can’t get it without consent. 

At what point does a fetus become another human in your books deserving of the same right to life as everyone else?  Do you think it’s fine to kill viable fetuses that could survive outside the womb?  How about partial birth abortions just before the due date?  You’re cool with infanticide?

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

What gives you the right to dictate that someone with a terminal illness can’t die with dignity and has to suffer until their last breath?

There is no need to suffer with all the pain-killers and medications available today.  The term "dying with dignity" is a piece of fiction used as a tool to fool people such as yourself.  You obviously have swallowed the lie.  Death by doctor-assisted lethal injection is not "dying with dignity".   It is a combination of suicide and legalized killing.

Edited August 16, 2022 by blackbird

[blackbird]

Euthanasia is very similar to the Russian Putin government ordaining the bombing of civilians or shooting them in the streets, which has been happening.  It is state-sanctioned killing just as euthanasia is in Canada.

[Aristides]

I'm an advocate of MAID but not comfortable with extending it to mental illness. 

[blackbird]

Incidentally, euthanasia or doctor-assisted dying is still illegal in most countries.  The Canadian government for some perverse or bizarre reason considers itself as a leader in the most heinous practice on earth, the death by lethal injection of thousands of people per year at the present time.

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

At what point does a fetus become another human in your books deserving of the same right to life as everyone else?  Do you think it’s fine to kill viable fetuses that could survive outside the womb?  How about partial birth abortions just before the due date?  You’re cool with infanticide?

It’s a medical decision for a woman to make with her doctor.  What I’m ok with is completely irrelevant.   Calling it infanticide is silly, as that’s a legal term that doesn’t apply.  

[TreeBeard]

3 hours ago, blackbird said:

There is no need to suffer with all the pain-killers and medications available today.  The term "dying with dignity" is a piece of fiction used as a tool to fool people such as yourself.  You obviously have swallowed the lie.  Death by doctor-assisted lethal injection is not "dying with dignity".   It is a combination of suicide and legalized killing.

That’s BS.  People suffer unimaginable pain all the time.  You don’t need to lie to try and make it seem as if suffering no longer exists.  BS.