Is Government too bureaucratic and infringing on freedom of the citizens?

[Dougie93]

29 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure questions, many of them but where are the answers, will we be getting any?

it is moral hazard which is bringing Canada down

decades of money printing and debt financing have come a cropper

Canadians are pitted against one another as the crisis begins to consume their livelihoods

it's becoming increasingly desperate, so increasingly vicious

Darwinian apex predators in an Hobbesian fight for the scraps

Edited July 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[myata]

But there's a positive side here too. Now we have a precedent and thanks to it, we can know finally and factually, if this is country is still a democracy, at least on the level more like it or already not really.

So setting up tables for information of public isn't allowed at a peaceful citizen protest

Government said as much. OK.

It can be wrong, and then that act will be challenged in a court. If not, we are not a full democracy, because a government can say anything and there's no checks on it. If it's challenged in the court and overturned, we know that government has overreached yet again and there were no effective checks on it, stopping the act as opposed to assessing it later after the fact. If that is a consistent, ongoing trend, can we call ourselves a full democracy?

And if it's challenged and found valid then it has to apply to all and any protest. Any case of selective application would mean a deviation from democracy. A government free hand to decide which protest is good and which requires strict application of rules. This is how democracy" works in the third world. This state has little to do with real democracy.

Our options to remain a functional democracy in this century are shrinking. But OK who promised that a free ride would go forever?

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, myata said:

But there's a positive side here too. Now we have a precedent and thanks to it, we can know finally and factually, if this is country is still a democracy, at least on the level more like it or already not really.

democracy is no panacea

there is liberal democracy

there is illiberal democracy

Canada is moving from the former to the latter

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, myata said:

 But OK who promised that a free ride would go forever?

the ultimate democracy is the masses voting with their feet

even an Emperor can be brought down in an afternoon, if his own troops mutiny against him

[Dougie93]

what you have in Canada is the illusion of control

the  Canadian Forces made a report to the government

they said that the army could not handle even taking down the blockade in Alberta, without courting disaster

they don't have the troops to keep a lid on things

the trucker protests would not have to escalate much at all to bring down the government

mind you, I find the truckers to be loyal to the Crown

so it would not be the end of the Canada itself

[myata]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

democracy is no panacea

Democracy is no panacea. A functional democracy is only  a working and reasonably effective instrument to manage public matters and issues of public importance and interest. Now, how likely is it to be performed by a bureaucracy in near complete detachment from the reality of the country that knows only how to take care of itself and throw tons of public money at any problem and haven't done anything else for a long while? All public matters will be in decline there will be enough money only to keep governments going as in the third world. Protests will not fix that, not a chance. What's the point of protesting if there are no better options? Problem is not any Justine, problem is the system. And in Canada folks never bothered even to think how to make one, it was given like Moses's stones from above and sailed never questioned or updated ever since.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, myata said:

Democracy is no panacea. A functional democracy is only  a working and reasonably effective instrument to manage public matters and issues of public importance and interest. Now, how likely is it to be performed by a bureaucracy in near complete detachment from the reality of the country that knows only how to take care of itself and throw tons of public money at any problem and haven't done anything else for a long while? All public matters will be in decline there will be enough money only to keep governments going as in the third world. Protests will not fix that, not a chance. What's the point of protesting if there are no better options? Problem is not any Justine, problem is the system. And in Canada folks never bothered even to think how to make one, it was given like Moses's stones from above and sailed never questioned or updated ever since.

Canada is nothing more than the Confederation

Confederation is simply an agreement

to keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down

there's nothing particularly noble about it

it is in fact an archaic institution of the now long defunct British Empire

Canada is not the sun, nor the moon, nor the rain

what's the point of getting so worked up over Canada ?

when it has already been rendered irrelevant

by the vast majority of Canadians being rendered into de facto Americans now ?

[Dougie93]

for example, if Canada went away, I see no barrier to Ontario being our own country

population of 15 million

three quarters of a trillion dollar GDP

that's the 70th largest country on earth by population

18th largest by GDP

roughly the population and GDP of the Netherlands in fact

tiny Montserrat is its own country, with only 5,000 people and a GDP of only $182 million

Ontario has no need to cling to dysfunctional Canadian Confederation

f*ck Alberta

[Dougie93]

now of course the Parliament Buildings on the Hill are a Gothic Revival treasure

but we can make that the Ontario legislature

just sell Queen's Park in Toronto, turn it into condos, just like the rest of Toronto

the Militia regiments in Ontario will be our army

we will mount Ceremonial Guard as ever

Loyalists of Upper Canada

once again, the Red Ensign will fly as our national colours

the Maple Leaf Forever, our national anthem

who needs Quebec ?

[Dougie93]

British is not a race

British is not a place

British is a system of governance called Parliamentary Supremacy founded by William of Orange in 1688

Canadian Confederation is not required to sustain it

the Westminster Parliament of Ontario is entirely viable, without these other culture of dependency colonies

British North America is just a state of mind

we Loyalists of Upper Canada did not even come from England

we came from Pennsylvania to Ontario in fact

[myata]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Ontario has no need to cling to dysfunctional Canadian Confederation

It has the same archaic system of governance no checks no controls red pill or blue one. What next, where?

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, myata said:

 What next, where?

we are the Guardians of Confederation

I am the Guardians of Confederation

when the likes of me say it is at an end

that is the death throes by definition

the woke lunatic Millennials are merely passengers

they have no history, so are very easy to control

come and try to take this Red Ensign from our cold dead hands, Americanized Communist traitors

that will be your undoing, and our triumph in the end

back to the future

a better Upper Canada, freed from the shotgun marriage of Confederation with Quebec

God, Queen, Country

the story of our people

Alexander Muir wrote our national anthem

upon serving with the Queen's Own Rifles at Ridgeway

we are British, and the immigrants who come here want to join us

we don't need the Confederation

we are Canada

that was our project all along

and it no longer serves our purposes

thus, jettison this dead weight, keep calm & carry on

Edited July 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

now of course I should say, there are some Millennials who wish to have a history

there are some Millennials who wish to know the story of their people

there are some Millennials who would reject the Americanization of the invading Democrat Party

but then those men would cease to be Millennails therein

as they would return to their homeland, to be Loyalists of Upper Canada once again

choose your own identity, don't let the Americans impose one upon you

we fought at the Heights of Queenston and defeated that, against ten to one odds

God save the Queen & Her Mohawk Warriors

Brock & Tecumseh, our founding fathers

Edited July 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

now of course I should say, there are some Millennials who wish to have a history

there are some Millennials who wish to know the story of their people

there are some Millennials who would reject the Americanization of the invading Democrat Party

but then those men would cease to be Millennails therein

as they would return to their homeland, to be Loyalists of Upper Canada once again

woop woop

feels good man

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

woop woop

feels good man

throw down the Liberal Party of Canada flag chosen by committee by a mail in contest in 1965

take up the colours which our boys actually fought and died for

the truth will set you free

 

[Nefarious Banana]

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpoYEbzyS4k

Rex Murphy and Jordan Peterson discuss the shortcomings of PM Justin Trudeau.

Edited July 4, 2022 by Nefarious Banana

[Dougie93]

41 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

https:www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpoYEbzyS4k

Rex Murphy and Jordan Peterson discuss the shortcomings of PM Justin Trudeau.

Justin is not a cause, he is a result

of this dynasty established in the 1970s

but Justin does not live up to PET's legacy

not only is he Maggie's son more than Pierre's

but he is obviously a pathological lying psychopath

he is  mentally ill and it's not subtle

if you've watched him since he was a boy, you can see it there too, he's always been a demon seed

the Liberals are all vacuous cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors

so it's not like they are a good judge of character

they've done us a favour by making this madman their leader

their undoing therein is already in progress

Edited July 4, 2022 by Dougie93

[Nefarious Banana]

36 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Justin is not a cause, he is a result of this dynasty established in the 1970's

He is obviously a pathological lying psychopath. He is  mentally ill and it's not subtle.

If you've watched him since he was a boy, you can see it there too, he's always been a demon seed.

The Liberals are all vacuous cowards, sycophants, cronies & traitors.

So it's not like they are a good judge of character.

They've done us a favour by making this madman their leader. Their undoing therein is already in progress.

Justin believes his own bullshit. Many on this forum/website also believe his bullshit and defend his delusional 'emperor like' manifestations. 

Justin Trudeau . . . 1/2 leader of the smallest minority government in Canadian history. We should be so proud.

[myata]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

Justin is not a cause, he is a result

of this dynasty established in the 1970s

Absolutely he is! And we must be thankful to him for showing what the system is and what can be done with it. Here we have a self-loving do-gooder plus a flu-like epidemics et voila! Imagine what someone with a bit more, or seriously more nefarious will and cause, along with a few buddies and persistence could do in his shoes? And what would be there to slow them down? Did we see anything out there, hello? So thank you, Justin much sincerely! A blind wouldn't see, a dumb wouldn't understand but is it any of his doing?

Edited July 4, 2022 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

Our government believes the stories it tells itself about compulsive control and so-called “safety” when it comes to maintaining stupid discriminatory bureaucracy like the ArriveCan app.  The public isn’t buying it anymore and the rest of the world, especially the Americans who are deterred from crossing the border to spend money, are shaking their heads.  Our airports and airlines are the biggest travel nightmares in the world.  How much longer does our government think it can maintain stupid policies and stories?

[myata]

The system has not been updated since it was created and by now is pretty much absorbed in itself. There may be better PMs and worse ones, but that is and will be its substance going forward. We cannot have real change by a pretense, a meaningless ritual of pseudo changing. We are either too dumb or deliberately careless and lazy to not understand this obvious conclusion in such a time. I don't see any other explanations.

Edited July 5, 2022 by myata

[blackbird]

19 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Our government believes the stories it tells itself about compulsive control and so-called “safety” when it comes to maintaining stupid discriminatory bureaucracy like the ArriveCan app.  The public isn’t buying it anymore and the rest of the world, especially the Americans who are deterred from crossing the border to spend money, are shaking their heads.  Our airports and airlines are the biggest travel nightmares in the world.  How much longer does our government think it can maintain stupid policies and stories?

If we had an honest opposition (NDP, Conservative, and Bloq), they would defeat the government and throw it out of power on the basis of the government's complete incompetence and mismanagement of the airports, passport offices, Canadian Forces, and many other things.  But the NDP and perhaps the Bloq to some extent have sold out to the government and will do anything to avoid facing the voters.  They are in it for themselves and not for the people.

[Nationalist]

On 7/3/2022 at 9:24 AM, Dougie93 said:

in Canada, it seems like many people, particularly younger people,  think providing service is a lowly job

like they were meant for something better, these people who want service are annoyoing

whereas the business of America is business

it's not a lowly job, it's what we do, and we take pride in being good at it

 

This is interesting. Its It's unfortunate but, in many societies the word "service" has a negative connotation. 

[Dougie93]

23 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

This is interesting. Its It's unfortunate but, in many societies the word "service" has a negative connotation. 

well I think Canada is one of those societies

and I do think the bureaucrats set the example that Canadians follow

the bureaucrats are not public servants in their minds

they are Mandarins, coteries to the powerful

their role is not to serve you, but rather dictate to you the arbitrary edicts of the government in power

[Dougie93]

the word for what Canada has become, is Byzantine

Canada does not serve you

Canada does not protect you, protect your rights, protect your property

Canada is a Self Licking Ice Cream Cone

a vast and excessively complicated bureaucracy for its own sake, existing only to perpetuate itself