Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: well I think Canada is one of those societies and I do think the bureaucrats set the example that Canadians follow the bureaucrats are not public servants in their minds they are Mandarins, coteries to the powerful their role is not to serve you, but rather dictate to you the arbitrary edicts of the government in power I've worked in the bureaucracy and know all to well what they are. Do a little experiment. Find a burger joint full of native Canadians and rate the service. Then go to a McDonald's and rate the service. Note the accents of the servers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 11 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I've worked in the bureaucracy and know all to well what they are. Do a little experiment. Find a burger joint full of native Canadians and rate the service. Then go to a McDonald's and rate the service. Note the accents of the servers. so you are blaming the immigrants for bad service ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: so you are blaming the immigrants for bad service ? Do the experiment. See for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: Do the experiment. See for yourself. why are you dodging the question ? if you're a nativist, why not be loud & proud about it ? have the courage of your convictions I for one am not a nativist I am British British is not a race, British is not a place the British Empire was majority Indian, Chinese, African & Arab we British made those people British like the Roman Empire, we are the Roma Britannia so long as the immigrant embraces our system of governance, they are British Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: why are you dodging the question ? if you're a nativist, why not be loud & proud about it ? have the courage of your convictions I for one am not a nativist I am British British is not a race, British is not a place the British Empire was majority Indian, Chinese, African & Arab we British made those people British like the Roman Empire, we are the Roma Britannia so long as the immigrant embraces our system of governance, they are British Ah...but do they embrace our system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Ah...but do they embrace our system? I find that the immigrants embrace our system more than the native born the native born are increasingly Woke : anti-Western, anti-British if that's being imported from somewhere, it's coming from America if there is a cultural invasion, it's being led by upper middle class college educated white women Edited July 6, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I find that the immigrants embrace our system more than the native born the native born are increasingly Woke : anti-Western, anti-British if that's being imported from somewhere, it's coming from America What's that got to do with "service"? Been to get a passport lately? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What's that got to do with "service"? Been to get a passport lately? so you are scapegoating immigrants for the delays at the passport office I don't find any evidence of that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExFlyer Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 On 7/4/2022 at 6:35 PM, Nefarious Banana said: Justin believes his own bullshit. Many on this forum/website also believe his bullshit and defend his delusional 'emperor like' manifestations. Justin Trudeau . . . 1/2 leader of the smallest minority government in Canadian history. We should be so proud. I am pretty sure that there are not "many" that defend Trudeau. There are some here that contest the blatherings of a few here that go too far in their diatribes. I am quite certain that many here are aware of the shortcomings of Trudeau but, whether you like to say smallest minority r not, enough Canadians voted for him to be the PM. No sitting government has had admiration by all citizens. Perhaps we should be whining that there are no real leaders in Canada, regardless of party, to lead and run this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: so you are scapegoating immigrants for the delays at the passport office I don't find any evidence of that I'm not scapegoating anybody. I'm saying that "service" in many other societies, has a negative connotation and it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, Nationalist said: I'm not scapegoating anybody. I'm saying that "service" in many other societies, has a negative connotation and it shows. what does it show ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: what does it show ? That "service with a smile" is dying. That pride in getting your order right the first time...is dying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: That "service with a smile" is dying. That pride in getting your order right the first time...is dying. what does that have to do with immigrants ? Edited July 6, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 Just now, Dougie93 said: what does that have to do with immigrants ? I believe its the culture of many immigrants which is watering down our service industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: I believe its the culture of many immigrants which is watering down our service industry. based on what evidence ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: based on what evidence ? The best kind. Personal experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The best kind. Personal experience. you're of course welcome to your opinion, but anecdote is not evidence in proof of argument in terms of the McDonald's experiment, I do often get coffee at McDonald's I can't say I've encountered rude service at any McDonald's ever and if I ever complain at McDonald's they are invariably very apologetic and scurry around trying to fix the problem Edited July 6, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Nationalist said: The best kind. Personal experience. anecdotal evidence is the not the best kind of evidence it's the worst especially when the person interpreting the anecdotal evidence is as biased against immigrants as you are confirmation bias is a helluva drug small sample size for the fail Edited July 6, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 MacDonald's is actually one of the places where you still get old fashioned service even if I show up in a bad mood and tell them what for, I never get any attitude at MacDonald's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 in terms of anecdote, my experience is that most immigrants I encounter in this context are business owners they came here to start a business, usually a family business they are all in, they have no safety net so they tend to be the most business oriented, providing some of the best service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 29 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: anecdotal evidence is the not the best kind of evidence it's the worst especially when the person interpreting the anecdotal evidence is as biased against immigrants as you are confirmation bias is a helluva drug small sample size for the fail You can keep telling yourself that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 at the other end of the spectrum, getting bad service my experience is it tends to be from the native born middle class college educated either government bureaucrats or corporate middle management Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Nationalist said: You can keep telling yourself that. it's logic which dictates anecdote is inherently fallacious doesn't it mean it's not true, it's just not proof of anything argument is to prove something thus argument by anecdote is an inherently weak position our brains are lazy by nature, trying to conserve energy anecdote over proof is intellectual laziness, because your brain would rather do that instead of research Edited July 6, 2022 by Dougie93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: it's logic which dictates anecdote is inherently fallacious doesn't it mean it's not true, it's just not proof of anything argument is to prove something thus argument by anecdote is an inherently weak position our brains are lazy by nature, trying to conserve energy anecdote over proof is intellectual laziness, because your brain would rather do that instead of research I know what my senses tell me. I'm not big on "Don't believe your eyes, believe what we tell you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted July 6, 2022 Report Share Posted July 6, 2022 7 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I know what my senses tell me. I'm not big on "Don't believe your eyes, believe what we tell you." I have no quarrel with your opinion, you are entirely welcome to it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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