West Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: A BC man has just been offered a settlement for serious side effects from the AstraZeneca vaccine. He is one of 10 people affected. Kinda misleading. Regardless, he would've been fine without the vaccine. The vaxx pushers put the guy in a wheelchair 1 Quote
eyeball Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I prefer keeping this issue, the decision to vaccinate, between doctors and patients, not in the hands of politicians. Otherwise we are all lost. Not one single person in Canada has had the decision to be vaccinated made for them by a politician. You prefer to create an issue by pretending otherwise because you're lost. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Queenmandy85 Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 24 minutes ago, West said: Kinda misleading. Regardless, he would've been fine without the vaccine. The vaxx pushers put the guy in a wheelchair The timing of the news item coming on the heels of my unfortunate post is not lost on me. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
eyeball Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said: No. She shouldn’t have to get a vaccine, period. She doesn't, period. She is perfectly free not to be vaccinated. All she needs to comply with is a condition of her employment or choose to work from home and use ZOOM or something. Quote What’s with this creepy invasive idea that any government should be able to mandate any kind of medical program? If it’s effective let it speak for itself. Free markets. It is effective, the 85% vaccination rate in Canada indicates the market for vaccine is speaking. Quote Get these sick communists out of office. They hate America. They hate Canada. Get a grip. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Zeitgeist Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 7 hours ago, eyeball said: She doesn't, period. She is perfectly free not to be vaccinated. All she needs to comply with is a condition of her employment or choose to work from home and use ZOOM or something. It is effective, the 85% vaccination rate in Canada indicates the market for vaccine is speaking. Get a grip. Nope. What government is doing here to force its health program down people’s throats is unethical and unconstitutional. This isn’t even an agree to disagree. It’s just plain evil. 1 Quote
myata Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 11 hours ago, West said: What science??? The rules across Europe define the validity of the q-vaccination for max 270 days (and by the science it's a stretch already). This is as pure and obvious bull as it ever gets. But the country is fine with BS poured down its ears. It's been conditioned for decades and generations and now will swallow pretty much any unlikely BS. Like put a check mark for this pretty face and it's going to change something. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Zeitgeist Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, myata said: The rules across Europe define the validity of the q-vaccination for max 270 days (and by the science it's a stretch already). This is as pure and obvious bull as it ever gets. But the country is fine with BS poured down its ears. It's been conditioned for decades and generations and now will swallow pretty much any unlikely BS. Like put a check mark for this pretty face and it's going to change something. It’s not about following science and/or important constitutional rights about bodily integrity and health discretion. It’s about compliance with arbitrary government decree. Anyone with an ounce of respect for liberal-democratic principles understands that’s what’s taking place in Canada now. Public safety might have been an arguable reason to suspend constitutional rights up until Omicron and what we’ve learned about the effectiveness of vaccination and spread. What we see now is clear cut totalitarianism. Edited June 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist 1 Quote
West Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, myata said: The rules across Europe define the validity of the q-vaccination for max 270 days (and by the science it's a stretch already). This is as pure and obvious bull as it ever gets. But the country is fine with BS poured down its ears. It's been conditioned for decades and generations and now will swallow pretty much any unlikely BS. Like put a check mark for this pretty face and it's going to change something. I know a guy who took 6 Trudeau juices. Got covid and now in hospital Quote
dialamah Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 12 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said: A BC man has just been offered a settlement for serious side effects from the AstraZeneca vaccine. He is one of 10 people affected. I couldn't find this story, do you have a link? Thanks. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 Should she be allowed to smoke cigarettes in Parliament? Should she be allowed to smoke on an commercial flight? Is that not an invasive intrusion by government? The governments and many businesses mandate a ban on smoking in many public places. How is that different than vaccine mandates? 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Zeitgeist Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: Should she be allowed to smoke cigarettes in Parliament? Should she be allowed to smoke on an commercial flight? Is that not an invasive intrusion by government? The governments and many businesses mandate a ban on smoking in many public places. How is that different than vaccine mandates? The science on second hand smoke is clear. Your example doesn’t apply. Refraining from smoking and getting a vaccine of questionable merit that doesn’t prevent spread are not the same. Stupid policies blindly followed reflect negatively on Canada. The Liberals look like dumb bullies. Edited June 6, 2022 by Zeitgeist Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 16 minutes ago, dialamah said: I couldn't find this story, do you have a link? Thanks. BC man among first Canadians approved for COVID-19 ... - CBC https://www.cbc.ca › news › canada › british-columbia Wightman was diagnosed with Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), a rare condition that affects the nervous system, just days after his first and only dose of the vaccine. The condition can cause paralysis, muscle weakness, and even death. Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
dialamah Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 5 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: BC man among first Canadians approved for COVID-19 ... - CBC https://www.cbc.ca › news › canada › british-columbia Wightman was diagnosed with Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS), a rare condition that affects the nervous system, just days after his first and only dose of the vaccine. The condition can cause paralysis, muscle weakness, and even death. Interesting, thank you. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: The science on second hand smoke is clear. So is the science regarding the vaccine. If you actually have any credible evidence showing non- smokers have died from second hand smoke, I would appreciate hearing about it, providing we don't contribute to thread drift. 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Queenmandy85 Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 My point is, the mandates on smoking come from the same people who placed the mandates on vaccine compliance. Members of Parliament ban smoking and they ban unvaccinated (or failure to provide proof of vaccination) people on the hill. Public Health authorities have determined that smoking is harmful to others and they have determined being unvaccinated is harmful to others. Why should there be a double standard? 1 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Zeitgeist Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said: So is the science regarding the vaccine. If you actually have any credible evidence showing non- smokers have died from second hand smoke, I would appreciate hearing about it, providing we don't contribute to thread drift. You need to stop. At least one Ontario court ruling has already overturned a parent’s demand for a vaccine against the wishes of the other parent. On these vaccines at this stage of the pandemic, there’s no justification for vaccine mandates. Quote
Queenmandy85 Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: You need to stop. At least one Ontario court ruling has already overturned a parent’s demand for a vaccine against the wishes of the other parent. On these vaccines at this stage of the pandemic, there’s no justification for vaccine mandates. I hope you are right, but NRKreports, the BA-5 variant of Omicron surging in Portugal, is creating concern in Europe. This new variant is more resistant to vaccine and there may be an need to bring back restrictions again. This is what happens when there are enough unvaccinated people to give the virus a growth medium in which to mutate into a resistant variation. If it takes hold, they will have to de-design the vaccine and we will go through the whole process again. This virus will keep killing us until we take it seriously. Edited June 6, 2022 by Queenmandy85 Quote A Conservative stands for God, King and Country
Zeitgeist Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said: I hope you are right, but NRK, the BA-5 variant of Omicron surging in Portugal, is creating concern in Europe. This new variant is more resistant to vaccine and there may be an need to bring back restrictions again. This is what happens when there are enough unvaccinated people to give the virus a growth medium in which to mutate into a resistant variation. If it takes hold, they will have to de-design the vaccine and we will go through the whole process again. This virus will keep killing us until we take it seriously. It’s a cold for most people. If you’re worried, get boosted, masked, hide in your basement, order through Grocery Gateway, etc. Time to move on. 1 Quote
West Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Posted June 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: Should she be allowed to smoke cigarettes in Parliament? Should she be allowed to smoke on an commercial flight? Is that not an invasive intrusion by government? The governments and many businesses mandate a ban on smoking in many public places. How is that different than vaccine mandates? It's different because they are banning an action, not lack of an action for starters. Quote
West Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Posted June 6, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Queenmandy85 said: My point is, the mandates on smoking come from the same people who placed the mandates on vaccine compliance. Members of Parliament ban smoking and they ban unvaccinated (or failure to provide proof of vaccination) people on the hill. Public Health authorities have determined that smoking is harmful to others and they have determined being unvaccinated is harmful to others. Why should there be a double standard? How is simply being unvaccinated harmful to others? Thats what is at question here. You can say the act of smoking could be harmful. You can't rationally say a healthy unvaccinated person poses any threat. It's political theater and pathetic this is even in discussion in Canada There's certainly enough tripple vaxxed getting and spreading Covid to make the premise of the mandate a joke. The point isn't the safety of others... it's to make her sit on display on a zoom screen so that our pathetic prime minister can try and score some political points. To try and humiliate her into compliance... much the same way the vaccine mandates in businesses tried to do the same. Shaming. Cult like compliance is what psychopaths like Trudeau want Edited June 6, 2022 by West 1 Quote
eyeball Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: What we see now is clear cut totalitarianism. Is it fair to say you have no intention whatsoever to pick up a weapon in defiance of tyranny? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, West said: I know a guy who took 6 Trudeau juices. Got covid and now in hospital Bullshit. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said: The science on second hand smoke is clear. Its increasingly clear on vaccination too. Quote A newly released meta-analysis conducted by the Chinese University of Hong Kong earlier this year assesses the efficacy of different vaccine combinations in protecting against COVID-19. Involving 53 studies that include more than 100 million people, the meta-analysis showed that three doses of an mRNA vaccine were highly effective in protecting against COVID-19 infection, whether symptomatic or asymptomatic, at 96 per cent. Three doses of an mRNA vaccine also had a 95 per cent efficacy rate in reducing COVID-19-related hospitalization. The study concludes that three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine are necessary to protect against infection from the Omicron variant of the virus. https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/authorities-have-got-it-wrong-experts-say-fully-vaccinated-should-refer-to-three-doses-1.5929898 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
West Posted June 6, 2022 Author Report Posted June 6, 2022 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: Bullshit. It's true. Took the AZ, wanted to travel but couldn't with the AZ so took 2 more then took two boosters... Got covid.. in hospital. Quote
ironstone Posted June 6, 2022 Report Posted June 6, 2022 23 hours ago, eyeball said: When did conservatives stop adhering to the old adage the law is the law is the law? Just because you don't agree with a law is no excuse to disobey it. At least that's what I was told by conservatives for years and years and years whenever I complained about some law I didn't like. And now conservative lawmakers are defended for disobeying laws they don't like. Yeah, I suppose that figures. People break laws all the time unfortunately. As usual anyone from the radical left that does it will be considered a hero. I wonder if I should bother with the radical left/left distinction any more. Perhaps now they are one and the same. 1 1 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
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