Yzermandius19 Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nationalist said: Addiction and violent crim are a result of drugs and illegal guns dopey. no they aren't these are people problems not object and substance problems you can do drugs and not be an addict you can use guns and not commit violent crimes you are targeting the wrong things Edited June 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 14 hours ago, Dougie93 said: unrealistic the government doesn't have the manpower nor resources there aren't enough cops there aren't enough prosecutors there aren't enough courts there aren't enough jail cells the justice system is completely log jammed as it is Gee...that's a lot of excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 12 hours ago, Dougie93 said: you don't seem to have thought this part through logically the people buying the drugs are junkies they are addicted to the drugs so if you make the drugs more expensive the junkies will simply have to commit more crimes to get the money to feed their addiction making the drugs more expensive also makes them that much more valuable to the gangsters so the gangsters will escalate the levels of violence in order to control their territory your simplistic "War on Drugs" solution is simply going to increase the levels of violent crime as a result More excuses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: no they aren't these are people problems not object and substance problems you can do drugs and not be an addict you can use guns and not commit violent crimes you are targeting the wrong things And you're making excuses for criminals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: More excuses... your position is as illogical as Justin Trudeau's he bans guns you will ban gangs the Government of Oz need only to pass a law and magically the problems will be solved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And you're making excuses for criminals. these are the kinds of childish ad hominem strawmen you resort to when you have no good points typical Nationalist Edited June 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Dougie93 said: your position is as illogical as Justin Trudeau's he bans guns you will ban gangs the Government of Oz need only to pass a law and magically the problems will be solved I don't understand why you would not want the laws, already on the books, enforced? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: these are the kinds of childish ad hominem strawmen you resort to when you have no good points typical Nationalist Oh don't be so full o' shit. You have no resolutions, just excuses. The result...more illegal guns, more shoot-outs in the streets, more drugs for less cost. What a wonderful world that would be... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Oh don't be so full o' shit. You have no resolutions, just excuses. The result...more illegal guns, more shoot-outs in the streets, more drugs for less cost. What a wonderful world that would be... the only solutions you have make the problem worse even if my position was the strawman you are making of my position that's still notably superior to your position you can't even out argue the strawman that you constructed to make your idiotic idea sound better by comparison in a false dichotomy that's how stupid you're policy proposals are you can twist my words into dumbest possible version of my argument and it still dunks on the steelman of your argument puhthetic Edited June 3, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 3, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: the only solutions you have make the problem worse even if my position was the strawman you are making of my position that's still notably superior to your position you can't even out argue the strawman that you constructed to make your idiotic idea sound better by comparison in a false dichotomy that's how stupid you're policy proposals are you can twist my words into dumbest possible version of my argument and it still dunks on the steelman of your argument puhthetic Nice bullshit. The bottom line is, criminals should be caught and charged. If found guilty, they should go to jail. If this simple, yet common logic fails you...I guess the progressive bug is more potent than I thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 3, 2022 Report Share Posted June 3, 2022 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: I don't understand why you would not want the laws, already on the books, enforced? strawman fallacy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 8 hours ago, Nationalist said: Nice bullshit. The bottom line is, criminals should be caught and charged. If found guilty, they should go to jail. If this simple, yet common logic fails you...I guess the progressive bug is more potent than I thought. criminals should be caught and charged for things that should be crimes not things that shouldn't be crimes you want to include the latter in the former, which means less policing of the things that should be crimes which means you are the pro-criminal one here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 15 hours ago, Dougie93 said: strawman fallacy A guy loads a gun, goes to Danforth and opens fire on innocent people and kills several including a kid. Should he be arrested? Yes. A gang has a stash of guns and ammo. All illegal. Should they all be busted? Yes. What strawman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 9 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: criminals should be caught and charged for things that should be crimes not things that shouldn't be crimes you want to include the latter in the former, which means less policing of the things that should be crimes which means you are the pro-criminal one here What an asinine warp of reality. So you think possessing illegal firearms should not be a crime? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Nationalist said: What an asinine warp of reality. So you think possessing illegal firearms should not be a crime? I think that you and most Canadians think waaay too many guns should be illegal and possessing many of those guns shouldn't be a crime Edited June 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted June 4, 2022 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 42 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: I think that you and most Canadians think waaay too many guns should be illegal and possessing many of those guns shouldn't be a crime I see. Ok. You're disqualified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I see. Ok. You're disqualified. your opinion on disqualification isn't relevant you have terrible arguments and you concoct idiotic reasons to ignore far better ones so you can maintain your delusional perception of being smarter than everyone who disagrees with you Edited June 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: A guy loads a gun, goes to Danforth and opens fire on innocent people and kills several including a kid. Should he be arrested? Yes. A gang has a stash of guns and ammo. All illegal. Should they all be busted? Yes. What strawman? non sequitur I don't get why you're being so disingenuous you said that the solution is enforcement in order to increase the price of drugs I said that would backfire, because the stakes would increase therein, leading to an escalation of crime not reduction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: I think that you and most Canadians think waaay too many guns should be illegal and possessing many of those guns shouldn't be a crime indeed suddenly Nationalist has adopted the Liberal Party of Canada's position that guns are the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: indeed suddenly Nationalist has adopted the Liberal Party of Canada's position that guns are the problem and he has the gall to call us progressives lulz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 28 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: your opinion on disqualification isn't relevant you have terrible arguments and you concoct idiotic reasons to ignore far better ones so you can maintain your delusional perception of being smarter than everyone who disagrees with you now Nationalist is adopting the Liberal Party of Canada's position that you have 'unacceptable views' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: now Nationalist is adopting the Liberal Party of Canada's position that you have 'unacceptable views' a progressive who calls us progressive a Russian imperialist who call himself Nationalist he's a living oxymoron Edited June 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: and he has the gall to call us progressives lulz he's the typical Canadian "Progressive Conservative" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yzermandius19 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: he's the typical Canadian "Progressive Conservative" conserving the Liberal Party of Canada brand of progressive that's what Canadian nationalism has devolved into Edited June 4, 2022 by Yzermandius19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted June 4, 2022 Report Share Posted June 4, 2022 34 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: conserving the Liberal Party of Canada brand of progressive that's what Canadian nationalism has devolved into they don't call it the Natural Governing Party for nothing the Liberals have successfully ingrained their dogma as the essence of Canadian culture itself there is nothing but the Liberal Post National State, that is all Canada is now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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