Great American Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 6 hours ago, eyeball said: My view is that it's in our nature to change our nature. That's why we're civilized. It must be nice to be so blissfully hopeful. Natures do not change. You think we are more civilized? LOL. Take away the technology and the creature comforts and people would resort to animal violence in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faramir Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Great American said: It must be nice to be so blissfully hopeful. Natures do not change. You think we are more civilized? LOL. Take away the technology and the creature comforts and people would resort to animal violence in a heartbeat. which is why you can have the best system of government still turn to tyranny. hopefully bidenflation will help lead Americans to a better political future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 3:02 AM, Great American said: Why You Should Be a Nationalist It’s undeniable: Around the world, nationalism is on the march, and the media and reigning political elites would have you believe this is a dangerous disaster in the making. So, why is Yoram Hazony, author of The Virtue of Nationalism, unafraid? Watch to understand. They can try and sell nationalism to the poor or working class. (although the definition of nationalism is now so stretched as to be meaningless) The rich will always be globalists , trying to control the world while hiding behind different nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Share Posted May 13, 2022 On 5/11/2022 at 4:35 AM, Nationalist said: Well I am a Nationalist. And I agree with everything Hazony said here. Now it's time for a complete re-birth of Nationalism. Especially in Canada. Would you accept me as a member of your nation? Should I take you as an equal and belonging to the same nation as me? Look at all those exotic faces, dresses, cultures and attitudes. You are asking for the impossible. Canadian citizens are by default nationless, if they want to turn their back on their home country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Great American said: More ignorance from the woman who thinks killing children is all gravy. Nationalism did NOT get us two world wars. In Hitler's case, is was a maniacal insane despot dictator who got us into a world war . . . a war which, by the way, was won by a very nationalist America, and we did not keep the lands we fought for but instead gave it all back it its rightful owners. How about just saying Thank You and then shutting up. Dumb. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, cougar said: Would you accept me as a member of your nation? Should I take you as an equal and belonging to the same nation as me? Look at all those exotic faces, dresses, cultures and attitudes. You are asking for the impossible. Canadian citizens are by default nationless, if they want to turn their back on their home country. Any migrant who becomes a citizen of Canada and lied during their swearing of allegiance...should be escorted out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Any migrant who becomes a citizen of Canada and lied during their swearing of allegiance...should be escorted out. When have you ever sworn allegiance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Great American said: It must be nice to be so blissfully hopeful. Natures do not change. Of course natures change, in our own case our adaptability is our species greatest asset - it's made us the planet's ultimate weedy species. We can thrive virtually anywhere we go. 5 hours ago, Great American said: You think we are more civilized? LOL. Take away the technology and the creature comforts and people would resort to animal violence in a heartbeat. So apply more technology. Use it to penetrate and dissolve as much of the secrecy that surrounds our governance as possible. Cameras, microphones, GPS, contact tracing. Politicians will balk? Ok, I get it, just compensate them more. Lobbyists will cry at the loss of their safe spaces behind closed doors? Boo hoo, improve your skills so you can convince and sell your issue to the public as well. Turn the 'Telescreens' around. Who cares if the government can pry into our privacy so long as we can pry into its secrecy? There is a very distinct difference between secrecy and privacy btw but in my experience the two are conflated, often deliberately and disengenusly when it comes to making governments transparent and accountable. People are funny this way. Most cry like babies at how corrupt politicians are yet remain steadfastly committed to the idea there's nothing that can be done to rectify the problem. I've almost come to the conclusion many people privately believe doing anything serious about corruption would be as damaging to our economy as its imagined action against climate change would be. What this has to do with nations btw is that they provide too many shells for people to play the old shell game. It's not a right vs left thing it's a top vs bottom thing - the real division in society is between the governed and their governments and has been for some time. Edited May 14, 2022 by eyeball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great American Posted May 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 (edited) Quote Aristides said: Nationalism got us two world wars (and many others). Why not go for more. Quote Great American said: More ignorance from the woman who thinks killing children is all gravy. Nationalism did NOT get us two world wars. In Hitler's case, is was a maniacal insane despot dictator who got us into a world war . . . a war which, by the way, was won by a very nationalist America, and we did not keep the lands we fought for but instead gave it all back it its rightful owners. How about just saying Thank You and then shutting up. On 5/13/2022 at 8:27 PM, Aristides said: Dumb. Brilliant response. Does anyone think that America did NOT win WWII? A moment of honest please: Many nations fought and many brave men died and I respect their sacrifice, but the truth is that the American manufacturing power and might is what armed the West. Production in England was obliterated and France had lost and other nations did not have the capacity. America's 2-ocean fleet and our war production machine is what won the war. And we were very nationalist, in the good way. Edited May 15, 2022 by Great American Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great American Posted May 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Of course natures change No, they do not. The Laws of nature are immutable. We may grow and learn more, and society and laws, under threat of jail, may force us to tap down or inner beasts and change our behaviors, as well as faith in God too, but in the end we are what we are, human beings, and our human nature is what it is. At any rate, none of that really has to do with the topic. Reflections on Hungary’s nationalism and whether the criticism it receives is fair. Should you be proud of your nation? Is it dangerous or unifying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 7 hours ago, Aristides said: When have you ever sworn allegiance? Every day when I read the destructive trash on this site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great American Posted May 14, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 My video of why I am a nationalist: Independence Day - Why America is GreatMy Independence Day thoughts on why America is a exceptional nation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 10 hours ago, Nationalist said: Any migrant who becomes a citizen of Canada and lied during their swearing of allegiance...should be escorted out. the oath of allegiance is to the British Crown, the House of Windsor at Buckingham Palace so you are invoking Monarchism not Nationalism here Canada is a Scots German Empire seeking a Northwest Passage to India 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 if you invoke a Canadian Nationalism, you will quickly find out that Canada is a French nation founded on 22 June 1603 French Canadian ethno-nationalism or American republicanism are the default Nationalist positions the Confederation of Canada is a supra nationalist state born of the German of House of Hanover Monarchy is the only thing binding Canada together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 the Battle of Quebec, 13 September 1759 the Battle of Queenston Heights, 13 October 1812 the Battle of Ridgeway, 2 June 1866 the Battle of Batoche, 12 May 1885 these are the formation wars of Canada to keep the French in, the Americans out, and the Indians down for Victoria Queen & Empress Mother Canada Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 if you invoke the Vimy Myth ? "a Nation forged in fire atop Vimy Ridge" then you are invoking Monarchy once again as who was the Canadian Corps fighting for ? Saxe, Coburg & Gotha Queen Victoria's family by marriage to Prince Albert the German Royal Family of Belgium in Flanders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 and of course, if you are Quebecois you have no need of Canadian Nationalism as you have a much older nationalism of your very own Je me souviens Que né sous le lys Je croîs sous la rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 ultimately tho, in your contemporary Canada, the nation is bound by the Canada Act 1982 the first 35 Sections of which are the Charter of Rights & Freedoms enshrined Patriated from Great Britain by the Liberal Party of Canada and in the preamble of said constitution, is a very American nation “Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law” inalienable rights endowed by the Creator Jesus of Nazareth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Great American said: No, they do not. The Laws of nature are immutable. We may grow and learn more, and society and laws, under threat of jail, may force us to tap down or inner beasts and change our behaviors, as well as faith in God too, but in the end we are what we are, human beings, and our human nature is what it is. At any rate, none of that really has to do with the topic. The Laws of nature are not human nature. Your argument may be mutable but you're not fooling anyone by changing the topic to avoid addressing mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 6 hours ago, Nationalist said: Every day when I read the destructive trash on this site. Seriously, when have you taken a sworn oath of allegiance before witnesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 17 hours ago, Great American said: More ignorance from the woman who thinks killing children is all gravy. Nationalism did NOT get us two world wars. In Hitler's case, is was a maniacal insane despot dictator who got us into a world war . . . a war which, by the way, was won by a very nationalist America, and we did not keep the lands we fought for but instead gave it all back it its rightful owners. How about just saying Thank You and then shutting up. It was nationalism that put Hitler in power in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 14, 2022 Report Share Posted May 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, Aristides said: It was nationalism that put Hitler in power in the first place. the National Socialists were neither national nor socialist Hitler invoked a supra national state, a Third Empire to rule all the nations of Europe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great American Posted May 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 17 hours ago, Dougie93 said: the National Socialists were neither national nor socialist Hitler invoked a supra national state, a Third Empire to rule all the nations of Europe You cannot reason with imbeciles like @Aristides . They block out all facts and reality and live in a world of slogans and stupidity. A true nationalist is a patriot who cares about his country first, and such a person does not drag his country into wars of conquest and empire building, because in the end that is never good for your country.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great American Posted May 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 Well, here is a different POV, and a darn good one. Perhaps I have more analyzing to do on this topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted May 15, 2022 Report Share Posted May 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Great American said: You cannot reason with imbeciles like @Aristides . They block out all facts and reality and live in a world of slogans and stupidity. A true nationalist is a patriot who cares about his country first, and such a person does not drag his country into wars of conquest and empire building, because in the end that is never good for your country.. the problem with Nationalism in Canada is that Canada is two nations in one English v French thus if you invoke Nationalism in Canada, you are on trajectory to a civil war so Canada actually avoids Nationalism, to keep the peace it's called Les Deux Solitudes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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