US Supreme Court strikes down Roe V. Wade

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What is your definition of “pandering”?

telling the people what they want to hear to win votes

is obvious pandering

[dialamah]

34 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

telling the people what they want to hear to win votes

is obvious pandering

Nice to see you finally admit to some negative political activity by conservative/republican politicians.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, dialamah said:

Nice to see you finally admit to some negative political activity by conservative/republican politicians.

I've never not admitted to it

the lefty partisan hacks are just the last to notice

[herbie]

Doing anything at all that they don't like. Same as their definition of "leftist"

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, herbie said:

Doing anything at all that they don't like. Same as their definition of "leftist"

both sides pander to the mob to win votes

that's how democracy works

politicians who don't pander lose to those who do

Edited August 7, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[herbie]

Only if the mob is a significant voting bloc. Not just a clot of loud morons who think they are.

[Yzermandius19]

33 minutes ago, herbie said:

Only if the mob is a significant voting bloc. Not just a clot of loud morons who think they are.

they tell people what they want to hear to win elections

and the people don't often want to hear the truth

they often don't want to be informed of the constraints of reality

so it is unsurprising that the politicians who get elected don't do that very often

[herbie]

Well after the Kansas vote, it sure looks like GOP picked the wrong group to pander to, doesn't it?

[Yzermandius19]

58 minutes ago, herbie said:

Well after the Kansas vote, it sure looks like GOP picked the wrong group to pander to, doesn't it?

how do you figure that?

Kansas simply didn't want to alter it's constitution

it still supports restrictions on abortion

the Democrats are pandering to the wrong group

as the vast majority of Americans support restrictions on abortion

while they campaign on no restrictions

Edited August 8, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

On 8/7/2022 at 1:36 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

telling the people what they want to hear to win votes

is obvious pandering

So all democracy is “pandering”. Spoken like a true fascist. The ignorant masses don’t know what’s good for them.

[BeaverFever]

On 8/3/2022 at 10:43 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

the only reason they used a referendum was because they wanted to change the state constitution

most red states don't have abortion rights in their state constitution

And therefore Republicans  will never put the issue to a popular vote, they simply decree what they want and force it on the public.   

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, BeaverFever said:

And therefore Republicans  will never put the issue to a popular vote, they simply decree what they want and force it on the public.   

it will be put to a popular vote every election

Republicans and Democrats at the state level will broadly advertise their positions on abortion

and the people will be voting on who their representatives are

[BeaverFever]

13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it will be put to a popular vote every election

Republicans and Democrats at the state level will broadly advertise their positions on abortion

and the people will be voting on who their representatives are

That’s not the same thing and you know it. 

[Aristides]

13 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it will be put to a popular vote every election

Republicans and Democrats at the state level will broadly advertise their positions on abortion

and the people will be voting on who their representatives are

Not the same thing, unless you think every election should be fought on a single issue.

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

That’s not the same thing and you know it. 

it's not the same thing

but it will still be put to a vote

you are the one pretending it won't be

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

Not the same thing, unless you think every election should be fought on a single issue.

if the issue is important to them

they can vote to change it or not

[Aristides]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

if the issue is important to them

they can vote to change it or not

So you do think every election should be fought on one issue.

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Aristides said:

So you do think every election should be fought on one issue.

obviously not

but acting as if the states population views won't be taken into account on abortion policy and will be imposed by the politicians is asinine

Edited August 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

44 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it's not the same thing

but it will still be put to a vote

you are the one pretending it won't be

No a general election is not the same as voting on a single issue and the Republican voters are not going to suddenly vote Democrat just because they disagree with the abortion law their party elites forced on them. 

[Yzermandius19]

22 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

No a general election is not the same as voting on a single issue and the Republican voters are not going to suddenly vote Democrat just because they disagree with the abortion law their party elites forced on them. 

they don't disagree

you assume they do

but you're wrong

it's the Democrat party elites who force their abortion policy on Democrat voters far more often

Democrats are the real abortion extremists, not Republicans

Edited August 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

they don't disagree

you assume they do

but you're wrong

it's the Democrat party elites who force their abortion policy on Democrat voters far more often

Democrats are the real abortion extremists, not Republicans

Lmao you’re ridiculous.
 

1) suggesting Democrat voters are actually anti-choice

2) suggesting that giving people a choice instead of forbidding  them to make their own choice is “forcing policy” on them.

Most Republican voters don’t want abortion banned almost entirely  like it is in Indiana now.  Kansas shows that. 

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Lmao you’re ridiculous.
 

1) suggesting Democrat voters are actually anti-choice

2) suggesting that giving people a choice instead of forbidding  them to make their own choice is “forcing policy” on them.

Most Republican voters don’t want abortion banned almost entirely  like it is in Indiana now.  Kansas shows that. 

1) Democrats want far fewer abortion restrictions than most Democrat voters

2) Abortion has not been banned almost entirely in any state, fake news

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1) Democrats want far fewer abortion restrictions than most Democrat voters

2) Abortion has not been banned almost entirely in any state, fake news

1) what do you base that claim on   What restrictions do claim “Democrats” want anyways?

2) Wrong. Indiana banned all abortions, commencing at ZERO weeks, except in 3 very limited circumstances. 

[Yzermandius19]

31 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1) what do you base that claim on   What restrictions do claim “Democrats” want anyways?

2) Wrong. Indiana banned all abortions, commencing at ZERO weeks, except in 3 very limited circumstances. 

1) most aren't okay with third trimester abortions, yet Democrat politicians support it and even push infanticide

2) they banned all frivolous abortions and that's their prerogative

the exceptions they allow make plenty of sense

Virginia's abortion laws are far more extreme and make no sense

Edited August 11, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[BeaverFever]

18 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1) most aren't okay with third trimester abortions, yet Democrat politicians support it and even push infanticide

2) they banned all frivolous abortions and that's their prerogative

the exceptions they allow make plenty of sense

Virginia's abortion laws are far more extreme and make no sense

1) Some are, some aren’t and some do and some don’t. You’re making overly broad generalizations with no evidence to back up your claims (as usual). And allowing some people to have a choice isn’t “forcing” anything on people who don’t want that choice.  As a fascist you don’t understand that, I know. You fascists believe that if you can’t impose your will on others, your rights are being infringed.
 

Let me dumb it down for you:  Personally I hate pineapple on pizza but allowing YOU to have it if you wish doesn’t “force” anything on me.  Get it? 
 

2) “Frivolous abortions” lmao you kill me.   In woman-hating mind, anything after fertilization is “frivolous” unless you’ve been raped in the last 10 weeks ONLY….so at 11 weeks that 10-yr old rape victim is a “frivolous” slut. And abortions are allowed if a panel of anti-abortionist appointees agree you’re about to die in the first 20 weeks of pregnancy…But if any of those fetal health tests that can’t even be conducted before 20 weeks say its a fatal pregnancy and you get your results at 20 weeks plus a day, you’re a “frivolous” c-nt for wanting to live.
 

But yeah keep claiming they didn’t “almost entirely ban” anything. LMAO your arguments are pathetic. 

Edited August 11, 2022 by BeaverFever