Russia's Civil War

[athos]

3 hours ago, August1991 said:

Precisely, what's the difference between English-Canadians and Americans?

Or, French-Canadians?

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Ukrainian? Russian? This is "nationalism" at its most basic level.

IMHO, we in the civilized West should have nothing to do with this Slavic fight. 

 

Ukrainian is a geographical category. Without cultural identity there is no national identity. Russian and Ukrainian (Slavic) cultural and national identities are identical. Unfortunately, Canada, as a colonial melting pot,to this day still remains a British colony with the British monarch as the Canadian head of state, which, among other things, prevents Canada from building its own cultural and national identity.

 

[athos]

Slavs and Anglo-Saxons are even more incompatible than Anglo-Saxons and Chinese. The Anglo-Saxons are compatible only with the Khazarians who currently rule the Anglo-Brotherhood.

[athos]

Many in the West do not know the mentality of Russians and write nonsense.
God forbid that there should be a direct conflict with NATO, because then the Russians will show all their power and determination.
This with Ukraine is a completely different story that mediocre people do not understand.
The Anglo-Khazarian brotherhood and the EU, with their NATO pact, have two options, either to accept that they will never threaten and impose their will on anyone again, or to prepare for nuclear hell!

Satanism is best cured in fire.

 

Edited April 17, 2022 by athos

[Infidel Dog]

There are no Khazarians anymore.

The idea Khazarians became Jews and run the word now is pure tin foil. It's David Icke, lizard people level of conspiracy.

If you're telling us you believe in current Khazarians or that they manage world events you're telling us you're nuts.

It's a kind of craziness that's starting to make some things add up though. I couldn't understand how the more whack-a-doodle Russian promoters were saying Zelensky was a Nazi but also a Jew.

Then Athos started to talk about Khazarians and the light bulb went off. It's because there are no Jews, just Khazarians. Right Athos. And the jews, pardon me the Khazarians run the world. Right Athos?

Oh and if there is no distinctive Ukrainian language, culture or people why has there been so much effort over the years to wipe them out. Tell us about the Holodomor, Athos. Tell us why when Lenin's soldiers went into Kyiv they were shooting people on the streets for speaking Ukrainian.

Edited April 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

13 hours ago, August1991 said:

Precisely, what's the difference between English-Canadians and Americans?

Or, French-Canadians?

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Ukrainian? Russian? This is "nationalism" at its most basic level.

IMHO, we in the civilized West should have nothing to do with this Slavic fight. 

 

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying here.

Are you saying French and English don't exist or are you saying they don't exist when they come to Canada and become Canadians?

On the latter, yeah OK, I don't know, maybe. On the former though, Huh? 

Because the Ukrainians didn't leave anywhere. They've always been there. 

Oh, also are you saying you only don't support war if it's nationalistic but you can support it if it's a race war?

[Infidel Dog]

Myself I'm with this opinionator from The Hill:

‘De-Ukrainization’ is genocide — Biden was right to sound the alarm

I don't care if somebody somewhere did invent a label of "Slav" and put both Russians and Ukrainians in it's description.

I come out against the Russians bombing, raping, torturing and shooting Ukrainians like the ones in the picture below:

Edited April 17, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[athos]

9 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

There are no Khazarians anymore.

The idea Khazarians became Jews and run the word now is pure tin foil. It's David Icke, lizard people level of conspiracy.

If you're telling us you believe in current Khazarians or that they manage world events you're telling us you're nuts.

It's a kind of craziness that's starting to make some things add up though. I couldn't understand how the more whack-a-doodle Russian promoters were saying Zelensky was a Nazi but also a Jew.

Then Athos started to talk about Khazarians and the light bulb went off. It's because there are no Jews, just Khazarians. Right Athos. And the jews, pardon me the Khazarians run the world. Right Athos?

Oh and if there is no distinctive Ukrainian language, culture or people why has there been so much effort over the years to wipe them out. Tell us about the Holodomor, Athos. Tell us why when Lenin's soldiers went into Kyiv they were shooting people on the streets for speaking Ukrainian.

It doesn't mean that there are no Khazars anymore because you say so. Yes there are Khazars And this can be determined by a simple DNA test.

"The Khazars (Ashkenazi) (/ˈxɑːzɑːrz/) were a semi-nomadic Turkic people that in the late 6th-century AD established a major commercial empire covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia, southern Ukraine, Crimea, and Kazakhstan" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars).
Being a Jew is a religious and not a national category. Just as with Christians or Muslims there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicity and races. No DNA test of ethnicity will tell you whether you are a Jew, Christian,  Buddhist, atheist ... but it will tell you what percentage you are Khazar (Ashkenazi), Slav, Celtic and so on.
So don't mix apples and pears and don't put in my mouth what I didn't say, but you would like me to say that in order to suit your narrative.

"Ignorance and arrogance are twins who like to be together"

Lao Tzu

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by athos

[Yzermandius19]

18 hours ago, athos said:

Ukrainian is a geographical category. Without cultural identity there is no national identity. Russian and Ukrainian (Slavic) cultural and national identities are identical. Unfortunately, Canada, as a colonial melting pot,to this day still remains a British colony with the British monarch as the Canadian head of state, which, among other things, prevents Canada from building its own cultural and national identity.

Ukrainians don't agreed 

if they thought they were Russians

they wouldn't be fighting a war against Russia

fighting a war against them

has solidified that national identity

[athos]

9 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Myself I'm with this opinionator from The Hill:

‘De-Ukrainization’ is genocide — Biden was right to sound the alarm

I don't care if somebody somewhere did invent a label of "Slav" and put both Russians and Ukrainians in it's description.

I come out against the Russians bombing, raping, torturing and shooting Ukrainians like the ones in the picture below:

No one "invented" Slavs. Slavs exist as a race and ethnicity.

 

[athos]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Ukrainians don't agreed 

if they thought they were Russians

they wouldn't be fighting a war against Russia

fighting a war against them

has solidified that national identity

One way to apply the method of divide and conquer is to create new artificial nations without cultural and national identity.

The ultimate aim of the west (NATO) is to conquer Russia.

[Infidel Dog]

3 hours ago, athos said:

It doesn't mean that there are no Khazars anymore because you say so. Yes there are Khazars And this can be determined by a simple DNA test.

"The Khazars (Ashkenazi) (/ˈxɑːzɑːrz/) were a semi-nomadic Turkic people that in the late 6th-century AD established a major commercial empire covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia, southern Ukraine, Crimea, and Kazakhstan" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars).

Being a Jew is a religious and not a national category. Just as with Christians or Muslims there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicity and races. No DNA test of ethnicity will tell you whether you are a Jew, Christian,  Buddhist, atheist ... but it will tell you what percentage you are Khazar (Ashkenazi), Slav, Celtic and so on.
So don't mix apples and pears and don't put in my mouth what I didn't say, but you would like me to say that in order to suit your narrative.

"Ignorance and arrogance are twins who like to be

 

Yeah right. Pull the other one. It's got bells.

You used the term Khazarian Mafia and anybody who wants to know where that conspiracy theory goes just has to find a search engine and follow the links.

But you and I know they won't. You're counting on it. So it falls on me to tell them what they'd find.

Yes, the Khazars were a people about a thousand years ago. They had a little empire for awhile. Then they got their asses kicked and the way the story I heard goes they were given a choice by the chief ass kicker to pick one of the Abrahamic religions. The story says they picked Jewish. 

After that it becomes this convoluted mess that weaves around eventually telling us the current Jews aren't actually Jews. They're descendants of Khazar through Ashkenzi. So tin foil says, anyway. Keep following the mess and eventually you'll wind into where they tell you how Rockefellers are Khazarian and how Jews run the world.

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

As to this claim of yours - "Yes there are Khazars And this can be determined by a simple DNA test."

Curious that you should mention DNA tests.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews

Also...this from your Wikipedia link:

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Claims of Khazar origins for peoples, or suggestions that Khazars were absorbed by them, have been made regarding the Kazakhs, the Hungarians, the Slavic Judaising Subbotniks, the Muslim Karachays, Kumyks, Avars, the Cossacks of the Don and Ukrainian Cossacks (see Khazar hypothesis of Cossack ancestry), the Turkic-speaking Krymchaks and their Crimean neighbours the Karaites to the Moldavian Csángós, the Mountain Jews and others.^{[20][197][21][22]} Turkic-speaking Crimean Karaites (known in the Crimean Tatar language as Qaraylar), some of whom migrated in the 19th century from the Crimea to Poland and Lithuania have claimed Khazar origins. Specialists in Khazar history question the connection.^{[198][199][note 89]} Scholarship is likewise sceptical of claims that the Tatar-speaking Krymchak Jews of the Crimea descend from Khazars.^[200]

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Yzermandius19]

3 hours ago, athos said:

One way to apply the method of divide and conquer is to create new artificial nations without cultural and national identity.

The ultimate aim of the west (NATO) is to conquer Russia.

Ukraine was an artificial nation

then Russia made it the real Mccoy

by trying to exploit that through warfare

Russia being paranoid about being conquered

causes it to lash out and try to conquer others

but that doesn't justify their warmongering

Edited April 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[athos]

16 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Yeah right. Pull the other one. It's got bells.

You used the term Khazarian Mafia and anybody who wants to know where that conspiracy theory goes just has to find a search engine and follow the links.

But you and I know they won't. You're counting on it. So it falls on me to tell them what they'd find.

Yes, the Khazars were a people about a thousand years ago. They had a little empire for awhile. Then they got their asses kicked and the way the story I heard goes they were given a choice by the chief ass kicker to pick one of the Abrahamic religions. The story says they picked Jewish. 

After that it become this convoluted mess that weaves around eventually telling us the current Jews aren't actually Jews. They're descendants of Ashkenzi. So tin foil says, anyway. Keep following the mess and eventually you'll wind into where they tell you how Rockefeller is a Khazarian and how Jews run the world.

Curious that you should mention DNA tests though. Because the way I heard it those say the story about Jews being Ashkenzi is BS.

Yes there are Khazarian mafia (In Yiddish "Kosher Nostra" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish-American_organized_crime )   The same as there is Italian Mafia.

Yes there are Ashkenazi over 90% of them are not Semitic race but manly Khazarians mixed with Europeans. The language that they use is Yiddish (Unlike Hebrew) which manly consist of German vocabulary. Therefore Yiddish is the language of the Ashkenazim, central and eastern European Khazars and their descendants. Very small number of today Jews are Semites unlike Arabs who are over 90% Semitic race. It is absurd and ridiculous to accuse Arabs, who are Semites, of being anti-Semites when they criticize Israelis. So they accuse Semites to be antisemitic for criticizing those who are not Semites???????

Political correctness is nothing else but a form of legal deceit. The best way to resist manipulation is to go back to first principles of common sense. Those who are at a disadvantage without common sense should learn mathematical logic or Aristotelian syllogism to prevent their own brainwashing.

 

 

[athos]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Ukraine was an artificial nation

then Russia made it the real Mccoy

by trying to exploit that through warfare

Russia being paranoid about being conquered

causes it to lash out and try to conquer others

but that doesn't justify their warmongering

Was Kennedy reasonably concerned or paranoid during in 1962 Cuban missile crisis in spite of the fact that America has never been conquered by others in the past?

On the other hand, Russia has been attacked and conquered several times in history.

 

[athos]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

As to this claim of yours - "Yes there are Khazars And this can be determined by a simple DNA test."

Curious that you should mention DNA tests.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews

Also...this from your Wikipedia link:

 

There is evidence of Khazar (Ashkenazi) origin.

Those people https://www.ancestry.com.au/dna/ did the DNA test for me and the result was that I have 3% Khazar (Ashkenazi) origin. My religion is Christian.

 

 

[Yzermandius19]

2 hours ago, athos said:

Russia has been attacked and conquered several times in history.

so what?

that doesn't excuse them doing it others

whether the insecurity is justified or not

does not give them the right to invade a sovereign nation using that insecurity as an excuse

Edited April 18, 2022 by Yzermandius19

[Nationalist]

On 3/17/2022 at 11:29 PM, eyeball said:

And Putin has no business in Ukraine.

You know me, I've been advocating a hard strict line on the issue of coddling dictators for years and at this point I think I'm almost ready to accept a nuclear exchange if that's what it takes for humanity to wake up.

If humanity can't or won't then so be it.  At least if its now then many of the people who should have known better than to make authoritarianism respectable will live long enough to see and suffer the consequences of their moral failure.

The path to enlightenment is painful and there's probably no turning back at this point. But that said, is there really anything worth going back to?

Ready for a nuclear exchange are you? Just to get your point across? How nice for you...

And for what? "moral failure". What a pea-brain.

Yet...for your own "moral" edification...enjoy some perspective...

https://therussophile.com/the-truth-about-the-odessa-massacre.html

 

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, athos said:

One way to apply the method of divide and conquer is to create new artificial nations without cultural and national identity.

The ultimate aim of the west (NATO) is to conquer Russia.

I'm on board with much of your arguments here but this...is a bridge too far.

NATO has no intentions of conquering Russia. However...Trump was right that the USA and Russia should be allies.

[Nationalist]

12 hours ago, athos said:

It doesn't mean that there are no Khazars anymore because you say so. Yes there are Khazars And this can be determined by a simple DNA test.

"The Khazars (Ashkenazi) (/ˈxɑːzɑːrz/) were a semi-nomadic Turkic people that in the late 6th-century AD established a major commercial empire covering the southeastern section of modern European Russia, southern Ukraine, Crimea, and Kazakhstan" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars).
Being a Jew is a religious and not a national category. Just as with Christians or Muslims there are Jews of different nationalities, ethnicity and races. No DNA test of ethnicity will tell you whether you are a Jew, Christian,  Buddhist, atheist ... but it will tell you what percentage you are Khazar (Ashkenazi), Slav, Celtic and so on.
So don't mix apples and pears and don't put in my mouth what I didn't say, but you would like me to say that in order to suit your narrative.

"Ignorance and arrogance are twins who like to be together"

Lao Tzu

 

They way I understand it is, the Ashkenazi were trouble makers in Palestine during the Roman occupation. So...the Romans turfed them all. They migrated to Babylon where over time they began to gain power and wealth so...the Babylonians turfed them. They headed north to settle in lower Russia, where again, they slowly took control and were turfed. The Ashkenazi moved north into Russia proper as well as Central Europe and Germany. By the time Hitler and Stalin took power, they'd begun to take control of finance again and were turfed by what we know as the Holocaust.

The Ashkenazi tribe has been doing the same thing, over and over, for thousands of years. They took Palestine after the Holocaust by use of the monetary power they'd accumulated and the sympathy of the western nations. Interestingly...it was the money and power of the Rothchild family which was primarily responsible for the take over of Palestine via back-handed deals with Ottoman elite. Yet they have never set foot in what we know as Israel.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Nationalist

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Ready for a nuclear exchange are you? Just to get your point across? How nice for you...

And for what? "moral failure".

More like a smack upside humanity's head for a near complete absence of morality.

We have it coming.

[Infidel Dog]

4 hours ago, Nationalist said:

...it was the money and power of the Rothchild family which was primarily responsible for the take over of Palestine via back-handed deals with Ottoman elite. Yet they have never set foot in what we know as Israel.

And now the rest of the story:

 

So basically one of the Rothschilds received a copy of the Balfour declaration. He was a Zionist and had some influence with the Jewish diaspora in Europe. But so what? There were many, many more hands in that Zionist Pie than the Rothchild who was pushing for a national home for the Jewish people.

The fact that it's a concern and presented as some kind of proof of something insinuated as nefarious goes back to this:

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As a Jewish family, the Rothschilds have been targeted by conspiracy theorists as a prime example of Jews allegedly using their money to control global financial institutions. These claims have been roundly condemned and proven false, but they continue to persist. What are the origins of the anti-Semitism directed at the Rothschild family, and how have these conspiracy theories resurfaced in the 21st century?

In 2015 the British newspaper The Independent published an investigation of anti-Semitic claims against the Rothschilds. Journalism professor Brian Cathcart traced the first widespread conspiracy theory to a political pamphlet called Histoire édifante et curieuse de Rothschild I^er, roi des juifs, which began rolling off European printing presses in 1846. Written by Georges Dairnvaell under the pseudonym “Satan,” this pamphlet narrates the history of the Rothschild family and its influence in Europe. According to Cathcart, its most famous passage details Nathan Rothschild’s involvement in the Battle of Waterloo on June 18, 1815. Immediately after the battle, according to the pamphlet, Rothschild was rushed to the Belgian coast and paid a fortune to cross the English Channel in the middle of a thunderstorm. He arrived in London 24 hours before news of Napoleon’s defeat was officially announced, “Satan” claims, and, as a result, he “suddenly won 20 million [francs], while his other brothers seconded him; the total profit made in this fatal year amounted to 135 MILLION!”

Although this account became instantly popular across Europe, it was both false and dangerous. Cathcart’s research found that on June 18, 1815, Nathan Rothschild was nowhere near Waterloo. There were no reports of a storm over the English Channel at that time. And while the Rothschilds did profit immensely off the war effort against Napoleon, they did not make millions from announcing the Allied victory at Waterloo. The fact that these claims were so readily believed draws on the pernicious history of European anti-Semitism. 

From the Encyclopedia Britannica 

Where Do Anti-Semitic Conspiracy Theories About the Rothschild Family Come From?  

Edited April 18, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

This Khazar as Ashkenzi as Jews that run the world is a high level whack-a-doodle conspiracy theory and you can see that by how Athos is forced to run around in circles trying to make sense of the ridiculous now that he's been called out on it.

[Infidel Dog]

11 hours ago, athos said:

There is evidence of Khazar (Ashkenazi) origin.

Those people https://www.ancestry.com.au/dna/ did the DNA test for me and the result was that I have 3% Khazar (Ashkenazi) origin. My religion is Christian.

I see so would you be one of these Anglo-Khazarian-Mafioso you're telling us about then? No? Go ahead then. Name names. Tell us exactly who they are. Yiddish mobsters, you say? Which ones specifically are responsible for this invasion of Ukraine then? I'm assuming you believe you know or why would you be blaming them?

[sharkman]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

More like a smack upside humanity's head for a near complete absence of morality.

We have it coming.

If we all only knew how true this is.  And I think we will see it unfold this year, starting with Saudi Arabia signing a major oil contract with China, now that they realize that Biden’s administration is incapable of protecting them.  Then the dominoes will start to fall.