Moonbox Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 But that's not what Russia Today or the conspiracy twats he trawls off of Youtube and Twitter are talking about, Boges. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 36 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: Its called chess. This is a chess move. War is a calculated game of chess. Russia has miscalculated throughout the conflict, and are prepared to go as far as they can, to save face. Russia is using the only leverage it has, albeit highly illegal, to force Ukraine and NATO at the negotiation table, or worse, to wave white flags which I don't see happening for the latter. This would cause the US to lose face to Russia, which would be unnacceptable to them. Like I have said before. This is a d*** measuring contest. Ukraine put king sized balls on the table. Paid for it, but has put Russia on notice. Russia is saying "we didn't have Viagra handy last time we measured" and the US, is acting as if it was petrified of making a mistake, which Putin is picking on. They don't have any balls on the table, and will need to bring them sooner or later. They're otherwise that guy at the club that keeps mentioning they will f*** you up asking their friends to hold them back, while moving away from you. They have committed so many war crimes that this being the basis of advancing, would be ridiculous. If there is a refusal from Russia to budge, you are contemplating military conflict with a military armed with nuclear war heads in the thousands as a sound option. This is not an option that belongs on the table. You force a country likely bluffing on the global stage and put them in a position where they have to consider suicidal moves vs losing face. You have very good instincts on this. And yes, this has devolved into a d*** measuring contest. None of this situation or the history behind it all is what we could call "good". The basic problem Ukraine and NATO have always had is attrition. Ukraine cannot beat the Russian forces without direct NATO forces in the battle. That's been obvious since before this chickenshit started. Thus the outcome has always been inevitable. Yet...NATO, the EU and the USA all figure this is worth dragging on as long as possible. I would propose that, with the blind-assed acceptance of anything the MSM tells them, they cut a deal that half-saves everyone's face. Except Old Joe's who's face is going to get smeared...even more. Meh...a fool's errand executed by fools. What the hell can be expected? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 Of course NATO could block Russian access to the Baltic in retaliation. Putin's hand isn't that strong if he wants to escalate on sea. Russia's access to the worlds oceans could be limited to the Arctic and Pacific. Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Ukraine cannot beat the Russian forces without direct NATO forces in the battle. Ukraine has beaten Russia in battle in just about every instance since the Summer of 2022. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Boges said: Ukraine has beaten Russia in battle in just about every instance since the Summer of 2022. Oh really? Who's controlling Bakhmut again? Who controls the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant again? Who's electrical infrastructure has been devastated again? I know you'd love to see Russia get a sound spanking, and maybe that's what Putin needs to finally leave politics. But in this instance one side has always held the decisive advantage and that side has never been Ukraine. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 17 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Oh really? Who's controlling Bakhmut again? Who controls the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant again? Who's electrical infrastructure has been devastated again? I know you'd love to see Russia get a sound spanking, and maybe that's what Putin needs to finally leave politics. But in this instance one side has always held the decisive advantage and that side has never been Ukraine. There is no decisive advantage, that is why there is no end in sight to this war. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Aristides said: There is no decisive advantage, that is why there is no end in sight to this war. Now ur dreamin' in technicolor. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Boges Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 23 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Oh really? Who's controlling Bakhmut again? Who controls the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant again? Who's electrical infrastructure has been devastated again? I know you'd love to see Russia get a sound spanking, and maybe that's what Putin needs to finally leave politics. But in this instance one side has always held the decisive advantage and that side has never been Ukraine. How many lives were lost taking the strategically insignificant Bakhmut? It's weird you'd use that to spike the football. You're just a Putin Cheerleader. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 26 minutes ago, Boges said: How many lives were lost taking the strategically insignificant Bakhmut? It's weird you'd use that to spike the football. You're just a Putin Cheerleader. And who controls it? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 32 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And who controls it? The Russians control a pile of rubble now, and it cost them over 20,000 deaths, and they're looking like they're about to lose it anyways. ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Guest Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 28 minutes ago, Boges said: How many lives were lost taking the strategically insignificant Bakhmut? Both sides took heavy losses. It was a killing field. Many buildings were leveled. Not much cover. Easy pickings ambushes. The west only showed heavy Russian losses, but many solders on both sides recorded video. I have seen plenty of video. I don't trust the news. It was a killing field. Show the true scale, and people would demand a stop to the war. Doesn't fit the narrative, that Russia is being trunced and humiliated and is the only side taking heavy losses. Ukraine is winning. While no responsible news have outright said this, what they show heavily insinuates it. 1 hour ago, Boges said: Ukraine has beaten Russia in battle in just about every instance since the Summer of 2022. This is what happens when exposed to media, and not the stark reality. 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Of course NATO could block Russian access to the Baltic in retaliation. And escalate tensions vs diffuse. Ratcheting up tensions, elevates stakes and essentially dares Russia to start a global conflict, dragging in China and others into the mix. This puts more pressure on the US to stop than it would on Russia. Quote
Moonbox Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 19 minutes ago, Perspektiv said: This is what happens when exposed to media, and not the stark reality. This is what happens when you decide what you want to believe first, and only trust the things that say that. Western media did plenty of reporting in the initial months of the invasion where Russia was taking large swathes of territory. That stopped happening by the summer of 2022, and Russia has done nothing but lose net territory ever since. Even discontented Russian generals are confirming western sources. ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Guest Posted July 20, 2023 Report Posted July 20, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: And who controls it? The narrative must be Ukraine winning. Remember Afghanistan? That was a success. No service dogs were left behind. Just billions in deadly equipment. Of course, disabled equipment, as leaving fully functional equipment would be silly. Truth be told, in a perfect world, there would never have been an invasion. Reality of the matter, is Russia holds the bulk of the region and both have their propaganda machines in full flight, to spare damaged egos. Trusting the news during war, is like trusting the wife when she tells you sharply, that she's "fine". Edited July 20, 2023 by Perspektiv Quote
Aristides Posted July 25, 2023 Report Posted July 25, 2023 On 7/22/2023 at 4:52 AM, Contrarian said: The Russian ambassador to Poland was called "urgently" to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, on Saturday, following Vladimir Putin's threatening statements on Friday, described as "provocative" by Warsaw, reports AFP. On Friday evening, Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki tweeted back at Putin, repeating that "Stalin was a war criminal, responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Poles" during and after World War II. According to Jablonski, it is "an attempt to rehabilitate the war criminal who was Stalin by another war criminal who is Putin today." Katyn Massacre Quote
Aristides Posted July 25, 2023 Report Posted July 25, 2023 40 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Some say this accident was part of that massacre:Smolensk Air Disaster I would say "some" are wrong. Quote
Nationalist Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/ukraine/2023/07/27/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/70475598007/ OOPS. A negotiated peace will end the war. The NYT and many other news outlets are also saying the same. Well...so much for Ukraine winning. Reality is finally setting in. Let's see if all the warmonger begin to change their tune now as well... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 41 minutes ago, Nationalist said: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/ukraine/2023/07/27/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates/70475598007/ OOPS. A negotiated peace will end the war. The NYT and many other news outlets are also saying the same. Well...so much for Ukraine winning. Reality is finally setting in. Let's see if all the warmonger begin to change their tune now as well... Will you change your tune Putin fan boy? Quote
Nationalist Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Aristides said: Will you change your tune Putin fan boy? Why would I? From the beginning of this I've said 2 things. 1. NATO needs to stay out of this. 2. Ukraine and MSM insistence that Ukraine can and will defeat Russia and take back the eastern regions, was folly. On point 1, NATO poured billions into Ukraine and have not effected any victory. All they've done is drain our own military stores and increased our debt. On point 2 it looks like I was and remain...correct. Reality. It can be uncomfortable when one tries to deny it. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: 1. NATO needs to stay out of this. So that Russia could do what it pleases in Ukraine, which is what you wanted to see. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: 2. Ukraine and MSM insistence that Ukraine can and will defeat Russia and take back the eastern regions, was folly. You just posted an MSM article in another thread saying this might not happen, so once again you screech "MSM media bad reeee!" until it says something you want to hear. 2 hours ago, Nationalist said: On point 1, NATO poured billions into Ukraine and have not effected any victory. All they've done is drain our own military stores and increased our debt. It stopped Russia in its tracks and forced them to bunker down well short of their declared goals, at the very least. Thanks for coming out again, genius. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 49 minutes ago, Moonbox said: So that Russia could do what it pleases in Ukraine, which is what you wanted to see. You just posted an MSM article in another thread saying this might not happen, so once again you screech "MSM media bad reeee!" until it says something you want to hear. It stopped Russia in its tracks and forced them to bunker down well short of their declared goals, at the very least. Thanks for coming out again, genius. Lol...what a goof. How's that reality taste moonbat? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Moonbox Posted July 30, 2023 Report Posted July 30, 2023 You'll never know, living in the clownworld as you do. How's Tucker Carlson's ass taste? ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Nationalist Posted August 1, 2023 Report Posted August 1, 2023 Here's an opinion piece from that bastion of truth...WAPO. I'm posting this to provide an excuse or semi-arguement for the bloodsport lovers to use as this little war winds down. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/18/ukraine-war-west-gloom/ Enjoy that and... never say I never gave y'all nothin'. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Nationalist Posted August 3, 2023 Report Posted August 3, 2023 On 8/2/2023 at 9:03 AM, Contrarian said: ⬆️ ?? Romania accuses ?? Russia of war crimes over Danube grain port bombing. Russia attacks ?? Ukrainian port of Izmail on the River Danube, a key route for grain exports through the Black Sea. Full Details:https://www.politico.eu/article/romania-accuse-russia-war-crimes-danube-izmail-grain-port-bombing/ Was Romania hit? No? Bye bye... Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
Aristides Posted August 3, 2023 Report Posted August 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Nationalist said: Was Romania hit? No? Bye bye... We know that you are fine with Russia targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure. Quote
Guest Posted August 3, 2023 Report Posted August 3, 2023 On 7/30/2023 at 2:48 PM, Moonbox said: How's Tucker Carlson's ass taste? Like him or not, I was told his ass tasted of freedom of speech. I asked for elaboration, and was told it was a mix between humble pie and a steady dose of reality. I pressed for a closer ingredient list, and was told I had to taste it myself, to truly know. I responded that I wouldn't be eating any ass. Ever. Then they laughed and replied: "that's the beauty of it. You don't like eating ass...don't.". Then I thought to myself, that was the most awkward conversation I have ever had while pressing the talk button to talk to the gas station attendant from the pump o_O Quote
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