War In Ukraine

[Nationalist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

what I find odd, is that you say you are a Nationalist

but then you oppose Ukrainian nationalism in favour of Russian imperialism

seems contradictory

I don't "favour" either. I "favour" reality.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

I don't "favour" either. I "favour" reality.

but the reality for all Nationalists

is that they have to fight formation wars of independence to found their nations

empire is the antithesis of nationalism

Nationalists are bound to fight for their freedom from foreign rulers therein

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

but the reality for all Nationalists

is that they have to fight formation wars of independence to found their nations

empire is the antithesis of nationalism

Nationalists are bound to fight for their freedom from foreign rulers therein

Very true. I would salute the Ukrainians who signed up to defend their nation. However...truth being what it is...they signed up for a beating. That's just cold truth. No bias.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Very true. I would salute the Ukrainians who signed up to defend their nation. However...truth being what it is...they signed up for a beating. That's just cold truth. No bias.

but that is your team

that is the power of nationalism

the most powerful force on earth

the evil empire will be defeated in the end, no matter how long it takes

[Nationalist]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but that is your team

that is the power of nationalism

the most powerful force on earth

the evil empire will be defeated in the end, no matter how long it takes

That's a common problem. Tell me...why should I pick a side?

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

That's just cold truth.

the cold truth for the Russians

is that they are making the same mistake America made in Vietnam

trying to fight nationalism in the name of the Domino Theory

[Nationalist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the cold truth for the Russians

is that they are making the same mistake America made in Vietnam

trying to fight nationalism in the name of the Domino Theory

Yes well...America needs to focus on its own nation for a change. Running about the planet playing cop...ain'-a-workin' out too well.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

That's a common problem. Tell me...why should I pick a side?

I don't require you to pick the Nationalist side

I am not on team Nationalism

Canada is an Empire

America is the Empire of Liberty

I'm on team Imperialism

since my ancestor was press ganged by the Royal Navy into founding Canada in the Seven Years War

[Dougie93]

Just now, Nationalist said:

Yes well...America needs to focus on its own nation for a change. Running about the planet playing cop...ain'-a-workin' out too well.

Russia is making war against America

because Russia is revanchsit against America for inciting the collapse of the Soviet Union

Ukraine is just a proxy

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Russia is making war against America

because Russia is revanchsit against America for inciting the collapse of the Soviet Union

Ukraine is just a proxy

If you say so. Oh BTW...looks like America is losing yet another proxy war...

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes well...America needs to focus on its own nation for a change.

America is the global Hegemon

King Dollar

Freedom of Navigation

Self Determination

security & prosperity for all

that is the source of all American wealth & power

Isolation is a disastrous course

British isolationism caused the First World War

American isolationism caused the Second World War

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

If you say so. Oh BTW...looks like America is losing yet another proxy war...

I don't see it that way

Russia has trapped itself in a Vietnam like quagmire

this pins the Russians down, knocks them out of the fight

allowing America to focus on China in the Pacific

America must fight a two theatre war

but preferably not at the same time

[Dougie93]

48 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

 I "favour" reality.

but you say you love Canada

love it or leave it

yet what has Canada always done ?

Canada has always fought for the Empire

the Anglo American Empire of Liberty

from Second Ypres to Apeldoorn

so what would you have me do ?

abandon the Canadian mission ?

again, I don't demand anything from you

I simply find your positions to be contradictory

because if you say to me : "Canada, love it or leave it"

that binds me to fight for the Empire on the Western Front

[Nationalist]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

America is the global Hegemon

King Dollar

But waning.

14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Self Determination

security & prosperity for all

that is the source of all American wealth & power

Which may be why the Petro-Dollar is waning. Its security and prosperity for whom?

 

15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Isolation is a disastrous course

British isolationism caused the First World War

American isolationism caused the Second World War

Who said isolationism would be good?

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Nationalist said:

But waning.

Which may be why the Petro-Dollar is waning. Its security and prosperity for whom?

the US dollar is not under any threat from Russia nor China

neither Russia nor China would ever allow their currency to be the reserve currency even if they could

because reserve currency requires you to allow your currency to float

and Russia & China would never allow that for their currency

rumours of America's imminent demise as he global Hegemon are just culture war noise

[Aristides]

53 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Very true. I would salute the Ukrainians who signed up to defend their nation. However...truth being what it is...they signed up for a beating. That's just cold truth. No bias.

They didn't sign up for anything, Russia invaded their country FFS.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Who said isolationism would be good?

abandoning the Ukrainians to their fate is the isolationist postiion

you seem to be taking that position

[Nationalist]

23 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't see it that way

Russia has trapped itself in a Vietnam like quagmire

this pins the Russians down, knocks them out of the fight

allowing America to focus on China in the Pacific

America must fight a two theatre war

but preferably not at the same time

This may also be true. Both can be at the same time.

I hope the USA doesn't get caught with a 2-front war. We will see.

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the US dollar is not under any threat from Russia nor China

neither Russia nor China would ever allow their currency to be the reserve currency even if they could

because reserve currency requires you to allow your currency to float

and Russia & China would never allow that for their currency

rumours of America's imminent demise as he global Hegemon are just culture war noise

If the USD is not globally accepted as the currency of choice, it loses its value.

That would hurt the USA quite a bit.

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

abandoning the Ukrainians to their fate is the isolationist postiion

you seem to be taking that position

OK.

Its not our war.

[Nationalist]

9 minutes ago, Aristides said:

They didn't sign up for anything, Russia invaded their country FFS.

And that's our business...why?

And sure they signed up. Or were grabbed and put on the battle field.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

@Nationalist is quick to criticize Ukrainian nationalists, it's worth noting that if Russia were to invade Canada, he would likely be one of the first to call for assistance from the international community, from the Orange Order, from Catholics, new immigrants, and anyone else who could provide aid.

• Despite this, he continues to criticize the Ukrainian people for defending their homeland at every turn. 

the threat to Canada is infinitely worse than invasion

the threat is unchecked Russian & Chinese aggression inciting a conflagration

plausibly escalating into an interpolar thermonuclear exchange

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And that's our business...why?

And sure they signed up. Or were grabbed and put on the battle field.

No doubt you would have been rooting for the US during the War of 1812 as well.

[Aristides]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

And that's our business...why?

And sure they signed up. Or were grabbed and put on the battle field.

If that were the case they are doing a hell of a lot better than the Russians who were grabbed and put on the battle field.

[Nationalist]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

@Nationalist is quick to criticize Ukrainian nationalists, it's worth noting that if Russia were to invade Canada, he would likely be one of the first to call for assistance from the international community, from the Orange Order, from Catholics, new immigrants, and anyone else who could provide aid.

• Despite this, he continues to criticize the Ukrainian people for defending their homeland at every turn. 

OK Tweedle-Dee...show me where I criticized the Ukrainian military.

I identified many of them as neo-NAZIs...and that happens to be true.

If they want to defend their nation...good for them.

We (NATO) have no stake in this war.

If Russia were to invade Canada, they'd likely go through Alaska. I would die fighting...once they passed Alaska, I suppose. There are worse ways to die.