Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: what I find odd, is that you say you are a Nationalist but then you oppose Ukrainian nationalism in favour of Russian imperialism seems contradictory I don't "favour" either. I "favour" reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: I don't "favour" either. I "favour" reality. but the reality for all Nationalists is that they have to fight formation wars of independence to found their nations empire is the antithesis of nationalism Nationalists are bound to fight for their freedom from foreign rulers therein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: but the reality for all Nationalists is that they have to fight formation wars of independence to found their nations empire is the antithesis of nationalism Nationalists are bound to fight for their freedom from foreign rulers therein Very true. I would salute the Ukrainians who signed up to defend their nation. However...truth being what it is...they signed up for a beating. That's just cold truth. No bias. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Very true. I would salute the Ukrainians who signed up to defend their nation. However...truth being what it is...they signed up for a beating. That's just cold truth. No bias. but that is your team that is the power of nationalism the most powerful force on earth the evil empire will be defeated in the end, no matter how long it takes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: but that is your team that is the power of nationalism the most powerful force on earth the evil empire will be defeated in the end, no matter how long it takes That's a common problem. Tell me...why should I pick a side? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Nationalist said: That's just cold truth. the cold truth for the Russians is that they are making the same mistake America made in Vietnam trying to fight nationalism in the name of the Domino Theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: the cold truth for the Russians is that they are making the same mistake America made in Vietnam trying to fight nationalism in the name of the Domino Theory Yes well...America needs to focus on its own nation for a change. Running about the planet playing cop...ain'-a-workin' out too well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: That's a common problem. Tell me...why should I pick a side? I don't require you to pick the Nationalist side I am not on team Nationalism Canada is an Empire America is the Empire of Liberty I'm on team Imperialism since my ancestor was press ganged by the Royal Navy into founding Canada in the Seven Years War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 Just now, Nationalist said: Yes well...America needs to focus on its own nation for a change. Running about the planet playing cop...ain'-a-workin' out too well. Russia is making war against America because Russia is revanchsit against America for inciting the collapse of the Soviet Union Ukraine is just a proxy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Russia is making war against America because Russia is revanchsit against America for inciting the collapse of the Soviet Union Ukraine is just a proxy If you say so. Oh BTW...looks like America is losing yet another proxy war... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Yes well...America needs to focus on its own nation for a change. America is the global Hegemon King Dollar Freedom of Navigation Self Determination security & prosperity for all that is the source of all American wealth & power Isolation is a disastrous course British isolationism caused the First World War American isolationism caused the Second World War Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: If you say so. Oh BTW...looks like America is losing yet another proxy war... I don't see it that way Russia has trapped itself in a Vietnam like quagmire this pins the Russians down, knocks them out of the fight allowing America to focus on China in the Pacific America must fight a two theatre war but preferably not at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 48 minutes ago, Nationalist said: I "favour" reality. but you say you love Canada love it or leave it yet what has Canada always done ? Canada has always fought for the Empire the Anglo American Empire of Liberty from Second Ypres to Apeldoorn so what would you have me do ? abandon the Canadian mission ? again, I don't demand anything from you I simply find your positions to be contradictory because if you say to me : "Canada, love it or leave it" that binds me to fight for the Empire on the Western Front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: America is the global Hegemon King Dollar But waning. 14 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Self Determination security & prosperity for all that is the source of all American wealth & power Which may be why the Petro-Dollar is waning. Its security and prosperity for whom? 15 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Isolation is a disastrous course British isolationism caused the First World War American isolationism caused the Second World War Who said isolationism would be good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: But waning. Which may be why the Petro-Dollar is waning. Its security and prosperity for whom? the US dollar is not under any threat from Russia nor China neither Russia nor China would ever allow their currency to be the reserve currency even if they could because reserve currency requires you to allow your currency to float and Russia & China would never allow that for their currency rumours of America's imminent demise as he global Hegemon are just culture war noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 53 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Very true. I would salute the Ukrainians who signed up to defend their nation. However...truth being what it is...they signed up for a beating. That's just cold truth. No bias. They didn't sign up for anything, Russia invaded their country FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Who said isolationism would be good? abandoning the Ukrainians to their fate is the isolationist postiion you seem to be taking that position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 23 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I don't see it that way Russia has trapped itself in a Vietnam like quagmire this pins the Russians down, knocks them out of the fight allowing America to focus on China in the Pacific America must fight a two theatre war but preferably not at the same time This may also be true. Both can be at the same time. I hope the USA doesn't get caught with a 2-front war. We will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: the US dollar is not under any threat from Russia nor China neither Russia nor China would ever allow their currency to be the reserve currency even if they could because reserve currency requires you to allow your currency to float and Russia & China would never allow that for their currency rumours of America's imminent demise as he global Hegemon are just culture war noise If the USD is not globally accepted as the currency of choice, it loses its value. That would hurt the USA quite a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: abandoning the Ukrainians to their fate is the isolationist postiion you seem to be taking that position OK. Its not our war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 9 minutes ago, Aristides said: They didn't sign up for anything, Russia invaded their country FFS. And that's our business...why? And sure they signed up. Or were grabbed and put on the battle field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Contrarian said: @Nationalist is quick to criticize Ukrainian nationalists, it's worth noting that if Russia were to invade Canada, he would likely be one of the first to call for assistance from the international community, from the Orange Order, from Catholics, new immigrants, and anyone else who could provide aid. Despite this, he continues to criticize the Ukrainian people for defending their homeland at every turn. the threat to Canada is infinitely worse than invasion the threat is unchecked Russian & Chinese aggression inciting a conflagration plausibly escalating into an interpolar thermonuclear exchange Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And that's our business...why? And sure they signed up. Or were grabbed and put on the battle field. No doubt you would have been rooting for the US during the War of 1812 as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aristides Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 3 minutes ago, Nationalist said: And that's our business...why? And sure they signed up. Or were grabbed and put on the battle field. If that were the case they are doing a hell of a lot better than the Russians who were grabbed and put on the battle field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted April 18, 2023 Report Share Posted April 18, 2023 6 minutes ago, Contrarian said: @Nationalist is quick to criticize Ukrainian nationalists, it's worth noting that if Russia were to invade Canada, he would likely be one of the first to call for assistance from the international community, from the Orange Order, from Catholics, new immigrants, and anyone else who could provide aid. Despite this, he continues to criticize the Ukrainian people for defending their homeland at every turn. OK Tweedle-Dee...show me where I criticized the Ukrainian military. I identified many of them as neo-NAZIs...and that happens to be true. If they want to defend their nation...good for them. We (NATO) have no stake in this war. If Russia were to invade Canada, they'd likely go through Alaska. I would die fighting...once they passed Alaska, I suppose. There are worse ways to die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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