Dbl- And Triple-Jabbed Deaths Vastly Outnumber Unvaxed Deaths Since Dec 2021.

[WestCanMan]

ALL OF THESE STATS ARE FROM CANADA, ONLY.

The charts below show the number of covid deaths in Canada since Dec of 2020, back when there were exactly ZERO people in Canada with even one dose of the vax. That was the heart of flu season, so they got a huge head start on the dbl-vaxed, who didn't start appearing on the scene until the summer of '21, long after the 2020/21 flu season was over. 

The chart with the lower numbers is from mid-Dec 2021, and the one with the new, fifth column, is the most recent one, which now has a separate stat for boosted vaxxers.

I can't tell how they're going to show up in this post because they're just queued up at the bottom of my text box. 

Anyhow, since Dec of 2021 which is shown in one graph, 'til this latest data came out a few days ago, unvaxed deaths are up by 1,023, dbl-vaxed are up by 1,048 and dbl+boost are at 868.

The total for the vaxed [1048 + 868] is 1,916 since mid-Dec.

1916/1023 = 1.87x as many vaxed people dead from covid. IE, there are almost two times as many vaxed deaths as unvaxed since mid-Dec. 2.5 months ago.

This is the first flu season data that we got for the vaxes and it's definitely not looking vax-like. I don't think that there were as many deaths among people who were vaccinated for polio since 1960 as there were among the covid vaxed this month. It's performing a bit better than being completely unvaxed, but we don't know how many of the unvaxed were so close to death that they didn't bother vaxing. 

 

Meanwhile, only 392 people under 40 have died since the very beginning of covid in January 2020, and that was over two years ago. But let's force them all to vax, right? [21,545 people 80+ have died since the beginning]

 Conclusions?

1) It's not a "PANDEMIC OF THE UNVACCINATED!"

2) There's nothing supporting Trudeau's theory that the gov't needs to own the rights to your veins and arteries, especially in people under 40. 

[WestCanMan]

 guess the second chart is here loI. Oops.

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1.87x as many vaxed people dead from covid. IE, there are almost two times as many vaxed deaths as unvaxed since mid-Dec. 2.5 months ago.

There's nothing the least bit surprising, shocking, weird or conspiratorial about this given there's 8 times the number of vaccinated people.

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“There are more vaccinated people out there,” he told CTVNews.ca in a phone interview on Wednesday. “When the vaccinated make up 80 to 90 per cent of the population, they will make up more of the hospitalizations.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/making-sense-of-the-numbers-greater-proportion-of-unvaccinated-are-being-hospitalized-1.5770226

 

 

Go figure.

Edited February 26, 2022 by eyeball

[West]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

“There are more vaccinated people out there,” he told CTVNews.ca in a phone interview on Wednesday. “When the vaccinated make up 80 to 90 per cent of the population, they will make up more of the hospitalizations.”

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/making-sense-of-the-numbers-greater-proportion-of-unvaccinated-are-being-hospitalized-1.5770226

 

Again totally irrelevant as a very tiny fraction of people infected actually die from covid. Most would recover without any need for hospitalizations so it's just an abuse of the statistics again. 

[West]

https://www.thestar.com/amp/news/gta/2022/02/22/increase-risk-of-cancer-health-canada-recalls-more-hand-sanitizers.html

Recalls on hand sanitizers now due to increased risk of cancer. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, West said:

Again totally irrelevant as a very tiny fraction of people infected actually die from covid. Most would recover without any need for hospitalizations so it's just an abuse of the statistics again. 

Very tiny and most are an extreme abuse of statistics, especially when the statistics are coming from a poster who claims 100% correctness and infallibility 100% of the time.

Figures don't lie when liars figure no one is paying attention to what's relevant. In this case what's actually relevant here is being 100% deliberately ignored in the OP and overlooked by you - that it is still a much higher proportion of the 20% of unvaccinated people who are getting sicker and hospitalized and dying than the 80% of vaccinated people who are getting sick, hospitalized and dying.   

Edited February 26, 2022 by eyeball

[West]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Very tiny and most are an extreme abuse of statistics, especially when the statistics are coming from a poster who claims 100% correctness and infallibility 100% of the time.

Figures don't lie when liars figure no one is paying attention to what's relevant. In this case what's actually relevant here is being 100% deliberately ignored in the OP and overlooked by you - that it is still a much higher proportion of the 20% of unvaccinated people who are getting sicker and hospitalized and dying than the 80% of vaccinated people who are getting sick, hospitalized and dying.   

It's total nonsense and dishonest to count the millions of people who very likely WOULD NOT have ever ended up in hospital or dead when comparing the numbers. You and I both know it's ridiculous.

If you can explain why the under 40 with no comorbities and basically no risk of serious illness or death is relevant in the statistical analysis, I'm all ears.

Edited February 26, 2022 by West

[eyeball]

11 minutes ago, West said:

It's total nonsense and dishonest to count the millions of people who very likely WOULD NOT have ever ended up in hospital anyways. You and I both know it's ridiculous.

Why are you counting them then? 

[West]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Why are you counting them then? 

You are ?. The vaxx saved a life that would've never been lost to begin with eh

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, eyeball said:

 there's 8 times the number of vaccinated people.

Go figure.

1) Your math is wrong because only 85% of people have been dbl-vaxed, so it's less than 6x, but that has nothing to do with it. 

2) The number of vaxed people between 5-40 doesn't matter because they won't die either way. They didn't die before there was a vax and they didn't die after there was a vax. All that the high vax rate does in that population demographic is pump up the vaccines' success rates. 

3) All that really matters is the vaccination rate among the 70+ with co-morbidities crowd because that's where 80% of the deaths come from, and we don't know those stats at all. Even the 70+ and 80+ stats aren't that big of a deal because over 95% of the people who die have co-morbidities. 

4) Even the triple-vaxed stat is almost as high as the unvaxxed stat, 868 vs 1023 [84.8%], and not a lot of people are triple-vaxed [if the jabs were working then triple-vaxed people wouldn't be dying from covid]. Furthermore, almost no one had the 3rd does 2 weeks before Dec 14th. It was 8% on Dec 11th:

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccination-coverage/

There's an interactive graph on that page that shows the number of triple-vaxed on certain dates, and on Dec 18th only 13% of Canadians were triple vaxed. On Jan 13th it was only 33%. And a lot of those people aren't in the at-risk category so they don't matter. Our daughter is a teacher and she said that she's the only teacher she knows of at her school that only has two doses. Seeing as almost zero % of teachers are over 70, almost none of the teachers being triple-vaxed would be at risk of dying even if they were unvaxed.

I'm not a huge believer in the pseudo-vaccines but even I'm surprised how many deaths there are in that category. 868 is a lot in a very short period of time among so few people. I was expecting maybe 50 or so. 200 would have been a lot, because 3 vaxes is a lot. 

Honestly, knowing that almost no Canadians were triple vaxed 10 weeks ago, aren't you surprised that almost 1,000 have died? Assuming that there were very in Dec, because there were so few T-V'd, there must be well over 100/week now. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, West said:

You are ?.

Really. Can you show me precisely where I counted or even mentioned the millions of people who very likely WOULD NOT have ever ended up in hospital anyways.

No you can't, because it didn't happen. Why? Because it has nothing to do with the ignoring the proportion of vaccinated vs unvaccinated that are dying and why that's more relevant than anything in the thread title, OP or graph used to substantiate these.

[Infidel Dog]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

There's nothing the least bit surprising, shocking, weird or conspiratorial about this given there's 8 times the number of vaccinated people.

And here's what you guys who keep bringing this "8 times as vaxxed" non-point up refuse to acknowledge.

The key point is "Pandemic of the unvaccinated." Is it one or isn't it one?

It's not and here's why:

The jab will not stop you from transmitting the virus. It may serve as a sort of medicine controlling symptoms. (The naturally immune offer the same protection.) The non-symptomatic don't transmit the virus. So fewer of the vaccinated and the naturally immune transmit the virus. However as you said there are 8 times as many jabbed and the symptomatic among them can still transmit the virus so even though fewer are symptomatic your chances of running into an infectious one of them are about as good as running into an infectious member of the non-compliant.

Then you can add into that the short term of efficacy of the vaccine. It can be as low as 3 months or as high as 21 for the naturally immune. Your stats now will be borrowing off the naturally immune pressured into getting jabbed as well. 

So let's go back to the main point. Is it a "pandemic of the unvaccinated if you're just as likely to be infected by jabbed or unjabbed whether there are 8 times as many jabbed or not? The result is still the same. Let's say 50/50 although with Omicron I think your odds of getting infected by the jabbed is much greater. 

So after you factor out all the bafflegab it doesn't matter. There is no pandemic of the unvaccinated which is what the confusing distraction of "8 time as many vaccinated" is really about. 

Why do we need a Vax pass then?

I'll answer that one for you. We don't.

Edited February 27, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[eyeball]

53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

3) All that really matters is the vaccination rate

No it doesn't because it has nothing to do with the proportion of vaccinated vs unvaccinated that are dying and why that's more relevant than anything in the thread title, OP or graph used to substantiate these.

53 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Our daughter is a teacher and she said that she's the only teacher she knows of at her school that only has two doses.

The fact that our Queen has COVID, is 95, fully vaccinated and only suffering mild symptoms is a more relevant indicator that vaccines work.

I'm assuming your trying to prove they don't.  

Edited February 27, 2022 by eyeball

[Infidel Dog]

And here's something else:

The dangers posed by the vaccinated is not just an increasing problem in Canada. 

COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations Jump Among Vaccinated: CDC Data

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

 So after you factor out all the bafflegab it doesn't matter.

 Of course it matters to acknowledge that; “When the vaccinated make up 80 to 90 per cent of the population, they will make up more of the hospitalizations.”  when you're trying to say its relevant that Dbl- And Triple-Jabbed Deaths Vastly Outnumber Unvaxed Deaths Since Dec 2021.

When you do acknowledge the proportions the point of the thread title is just straight up misinformation.

[eyeball]

8 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

And here's something else:

The dangers posed by the vaccinated is not just an increasing problem in Canada. 

COVID-19 Cases, Hospitalizations Jump Among Vaccinated: CDC Data

Epoch Times = ?

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https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-epoch-times/

[West]

23 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Really. Can you show me precisely where I counted or even mentioned the millions of people who very likely WOULD NOT have ever ended up in hospital anyways.

No you can't, because it didn't happen. Why? Because it has nothing to do with the ignoring the proportion of vaccinated vs unvaccinated that are dying and why that's more relevant than anything in the thread title, OP or graph used to substantiate these.

How does it not? 

All those 5+ year olds who probably not die, vaccinated or not, are part of your argument of there being "8x number of vaccinated". 

[Aristides]

So 1.87 times the deaths from 8 times the population.

[eyeball]

17 minutes ago, West said:

How does it not? 

All those 5+ year olds who probably not die, vaccinated or not, are part of your argument of there being "8x number of vaccinated". 

No it's part of the argument you're having with a hallucination you believe is me.

[WestCanMan]

35 minutes ago, eyeball said:

No it doesn't because is nothing to do with the proportion of vaccinated vs unvaccinated that are dying and why that's more relevant than anything in the thread title, OP or graph used to substantiate these.

From your limited understanding, sure, but there are people who are fully expected to die if they get covid (the vaccination rate among those people is the key to understanding whether or not the vaccines do anything) and people who almost certainly won't die if they get covid (they just pump up the success rates of whichever group they're in, so their stats just muddy the waters). 

All of the stats that we have access to are a mix of both groups. 

One thing that we do know for sure is that a lot of triple-vaxed people are dying.

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The fact that our Queen has COVID, is 95, fully vaccinated and only suffering mild symptoms is a more relevant indicator that vaccines work.

Wrong.

1) If she doesn't have any co-morbidities she's not at a super high risk of dying. Most people who die have 1 or more. The majority of people have many. 

2) If you think that she's getting the same quality of care that you or I would, you're off your rocker. When Trump had it they were putting antibodies into him from other people who successfully fought covid. The cost was prohibitive. 

3) Is she really vaccinated? And with the same thing as you? Highly doubtful.

4) Omicron is a weak variant and not many people get very sick from it. 

 

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I'm assuming your trying to prove they don't.  

It's obvious that they don't work well enough to be inflicted upon people who don't need it and won't benefit from it. That's all that matters for the point of this discussion.

The omicron variant is not deadly enough, nor the 'vax' effective enough, to warrant J Trudeau claiming sovereignty over our veins and arteries. It's not even debatable. 

[eyeball]

26 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

The omicron variant is not deadly enough, nor the 'vax' effective enough, to warrant J Trudeau claiming sovereignty over our veins and arteries.

I bet General Ripper would conclude the very same thing.

Have you submitted your conclusions for peer review? You'll probably be hearing from the Nobel Committee. 

[eyeball]

35 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

3) Is she really vaccinated? And with the same thing as you? Highly doubtful.

I doubt she got one with the chip.

[WestCanMan]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I doubt she got one with the chip.

You can peddle conspiracy theories all you want, like CTV is a news channel, I'm not interested. 

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You can peddle conspiracy theories all you want, like CTV is a news channel, I'm not interested. 

You can peddle statistical theories all you want but until the day they start showing up in scientific journals you'll simply be a crackpot full of hooey.

[Moonbox]

13 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

You can peddle conspiracy theories all you want, like CTV is a news channel, I'm not interested. 

but youtubers and blogs/websites run from Mom's basement are reliable.   ?

Edited February 27, 2022 by Moonbox