Energy Independence

[West]

With the latest breaking news out of the Ukraine, we should blame leftists for inevitable inflation that comes out of this. On both sides of the border they've blocked safe and effective pipeline projects which would've went along way to solving supply issues and made us less reliant on Russia or the Middle East for essentials like oil and gas. 

Thanks leftists

[Zeitgeist]

You’re absolutely right.  Shutting down safe, reliable, abundant energy supply is one of the main reasons for hyperinflation and our vulnerability to foreign powers. The “climate emergency” has been hyped to justify further inflation through carbon taxes and curtailing of pipelines.   Pipelines of course are cleaner and safer energy delivery than trucks and trains, but the foolish narrative sold by the Trudeau-NDP Liberals and Biden Dems has landed us in this mess, not to mention sick totalitarian notions like Great Reset, which our government is trying to impose without the consent of the people.  I mean, who would knowingly and willingly choose to be enslaved?  The pandemic has also been used to justify further government overreach and ideological overspending that has nothing to do with sensible public health measures. 

Edited February 24, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Aristides]

45 minutes ago, West said:

With the latest breaking news out of the Ukraine, we should blame leftists for inevitable inflation that comes out of this. On both sides of the border they've blocked safe and effective pipeline projects which would've went along way to solving supply issues and made us less reliant on Russia or the Middle East for essentials like oil and gas. 

Thanks leftists

When did we rely on Russia for oil and gas?

[West]

6 minutes ago, Aristides said:

When did we rely on Russia for oil and gas?

Despite having the world’s third-largest oil reserves, Canada imports oil from foreign suppliers. Currently, more than half the oil used in Quebec and Atlantic Canada is imported from foreign sources including the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Nigeria and Ivory Coast. In 2019, Canada spent $18.9 billion to import foreign oil. Canada imported more than 660,000 b/d of oil in 2019.

https://www.capp.ca/energy/markets/

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, West said:

Despite having the world’s third-largest oil reserves, Canada imports oil from foreign suppliers. Currently, more than half the oil used in Quebec and Atlantic Canada is imported from foreign sources including the U.S., Saudi Arabia, Russian Federation, United Kingdom, Azerbaijan, Nigeria and Ivory Coast. In 2019, Canada spent $18.9 billion to import foreign oil. Canada imported more than 660,000 b/d of oil in 2019.

https://www.capp.ca/energy/markets/

Guess that’s revenue Russia will no longer be getting.

[Nexii]

Very little of our imported oil comes from Russia or the Middle East. Some from Saudi but they are a close USA ally, not a major concern IMO

 

[Nationalist]

20 minutes ago, Aristides said:

Guess that’s revenue Russia will no longer be getting.

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Oh Gawd! Its GLOBAL WARMING!!! Ahhhh! We all gonna DIIIEEE!!! Quick! Lets grossly over-react! SHUT DOWN THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY! NOW GAWD-DAMNIT!

Morons...Evidently Gawd made a mistake with them and gifted them loud screechy voices to make up for the lack of intelligence.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Nationalist

[West]

6 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Very little of our imported oil comes from Russia or the Middle East. Some from Saudi but they are a close USA ally, not a major concern IMO

 

Canada sends their troops to protect Saudi oil ?

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Very little of our imported oil comes from Russia or the Middle East. Some from Saudi but they are a close USA ally, not a major concern IMO

 

The point is, boost world energy supply, especially to states that can be dominated by states through the cutting of oil and gas supply.  It’s one of the reasons we need to boost domestic oil and gas supply.  Keep the climate and public health puritan fascists out of world and domestic affairs.  Their Great Reset plan is nothing short of slavery.  Believe me, any threats from climate change are far outweighed by the insane oppressive totalitarianism of the WEF and like-minded central planners.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Nexii]

The amount of oil we produce lately has had more to do with global oil prices. As Alberta oil has a high base cost to get out of the ground and refine. I think it's only about break-even at $50 a barrel. If oil stays at $100 a barrel production will naturally pick back up. 

[West]

17 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The point is, boost world energy supply, especially to states that can be dominated by states through the cutting of oil and gas supply.  It’s one of the reasons we need to boost domestic oil and gas supply.  Keep the climate and public health puritan fascists out of world and domestic affairs.  Their Great Reset plan is nothing short of slavery.  Believe me, any threats from climate change are far outweighed by the insane oppressive totalitarianism of the WEF and like-minded central planners.

I dont even mind a North American energy independence plan. At this point the ship has probably sailed to invest in new refineries etc, but pipelines are a relatively easy fix to what already exists and to increase output. 

It's unfathomable to think we are purchasing oil from half way around the world.

Edited February 24, 2022 by West

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Aristides said:

When did we rely on Russia for oil and gas?

Or ... 'who was president when states 'ascended' (LOL) to Nato ?

Clinton: 3
GW Bush: 7
Obama: 2
Trump: 2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO#Member_countries

[Nexii]

We are a net exporter of oil. The only way we aren't independent is that we consume slightly more oil (2.2bb/d) than we can refine (2.0bb/d). The USA refines a lot of Canadian oil for us.

I get the sentiment, we should be self-sufficient for other essentials. But oil/gas isn't really one of them

[Nationalist]

IMO...there is no reason Canada should be importing oil or gas. We have failed miserably in managing our fossil fuel resources. The pipelines need to be completed and Halifax should have a refinery.

As for the "Greenies" and their "Great Reset"...I think they know what they can do with their grandiose ideas.

[Nexii]

Just now, Nationalist said:

IMO...there is no reason Canada should be importing oil or gas. We have failed miserably in managing our fossil fuel resources. The pipelines need to be completed and Halifax should have a refinery.

As for the "Greenies" and their "Great Reset"...I think they know what they can do with their grandiose ideas.

The only reason we import any at all is that pipelines don't exist to all our refineries. Cheaper to bring it in by boat than over land I assume

[Nationalist]

Just now, Nexii said:

The only reason we import any at all is that pipelines don't exist to all our refineries. Cheaper to bring it in by boat than over land I assume

Well don't "assume".

This land of our's is chalk full of almost everything we could need. Its a disgrace that we haven't taken advantage of that. Maybe we should stop letting twits like Freeland negotiate trade deals for us?

[Aristides]

36 minutes ago, Nexii said:

The amount of oil we produce lately has had more to do with global oil prices. As Alberta oil has a high base cost to get out of the ground and refine. I think it's only about break-even at $50 a barrel. If oil stays at $100 a barrel production will naturally pick back up. 

West is right in that we need a way to get it to market. If Canada had oil and gas pipelines to tidewater we could be making a killing. Instead we are stuck with one customer, the US who can dictate prices because they are our only customer. They can buy ours cheap and sell theirs at world price.

Edited February 24, 2022 by Aristides

[Shady]

24 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Or ... 'who was president when states 'ascended' (LOL) to Nato ?

Clinton: 3
GW Bush: 7
Obama: 2
Trump: 2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_states_of_NATO#Member_countries

Take some responsibility for your disastrous anti oil and gas policies that have led us to be more dependent on countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia.  Thanks for that, it's worked out great huh?

[West]

14 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

IMO...there is no reason Canada should be importing oil or gas. We have failed miserably in managing our fossil fuel resources. The pipelines need to be completed and Halifax should have a refinery.

As for the "Greenies" and their "Great Reset"...I think they know what they can do with their grandiose ideas.

Just think of how many reserves could get clean drinking water if we managed our resources properly

[Nexii]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Well don't "assume".

This land of our's is chalk full of almost everything we could need. Its a disgrace that we haven't taken advantage of that. Maybe we should stop letting twits like Freeland negotiate trade deals for us?

Shipping cost goes: pipeline > boat > rail > truck. And it's significantly more at each step

Though environmentalists don't care about cost, it'd be more about which is safest. I'd argue on the whole pipeline is still the best, spills at sea are terrible and rail is more prone to accidents. Truck is just too costly to consider in mass anyways

[West]

3 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Shipping cost goes: pipeline > boat > rail > truck. And it's significantly more at each step

Though environmentalists don't care about cost, it'd be more about which is safest. I'd argue on the whole pipeline is still the best, spills at sea are terrible and rail is more prone to accidents. Truck is just too costly to consider in mass anyways

I'd argue its probably more the billionaire donor class that's the issue RE: transportation. On day 1, Biden's first decision was to kill the pipeline. Why? Well his buddy Warren Buffet gets a percentage on anything that rides on his railcar. 

[Nationalist]

28 minutes ago, West said:

Just think of how many reserves could get clean drinking water if we managed our resources properly

If I'm not mistaken, the bands have been funded...by our tax money...for water purification systems. Where'd all that money go?

[Nationalist]

31 minutes ago, Nexii said:

Shipping cost goes: pipeline > boat > rail > truck. And it's significantly more at each step

Though environmentalists don't care about cost, it'd be more about which is safest. I'd argue on the whole pipeline is still the best, spills at sea are terrible and rail is more prone to accidents. Truck is just too costly to consider in mass anyways

Pipelines are the safest IMO.

[Nationalist]

48 minutes ago, Aristides said:

West is right in that we need a way to get it to market. If Canada had oil and gas pipelines to tidewater we could be making a killing. Instead we are stuck with one customer, the US who can dictate prices because they are our only customer. They can buy ours cheap and sell theirs at world price.

The only issue I'd have with that is I do not want to sell squat to China. Let them burn their coal.

[Moonbox]

2 hours ago, West said:

With the latest breaking news out of the Ukraine, we should blame leftists for inevitable inflation that comes out of this. On both sides of the border they've blocked safe and effective pipeline projects which would've went along way to solving supply issues and made us less reliant on Russia or the Middle East for essentials like oil and gas. 

Thanks leftists

I do have to agree with this.  Biden and Trudeau have egg on their face now and look pretty stupid watching oil prices skyrocket domestically around the world while there's a safe and reliable source sitting at home.  

Trudeau proved himself his father's son in killing Northern Gateway and will ensure Alberta and most of the prairies remain a wasteland for the Liberals for decades.  The democrats will get skewered in the mid-terms as gasoline prices continue to skyrocket over supply concerns like Ukraine.

Alberta oil producers are sitting here like...