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6 hours ago, Colin Norris said:

The GOP wants to close voting booths in black areas and limit their access. They want voter ID because they know it intimidates them and will probably stop them from voting. 

 

You don't honestly expect anybody to believe that, do you? Tell you what. If you can find someone who thinks that makes sense you can keep 'em.

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3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

You don't honestly expect anybody to believe that, do you? Tell you what. If you can find someone who thinks that makes sense you can keep 'em.

You don't honestly expect people to not believe it when they pushed for vthe closure of 24 booths in the south. 

I don't care what anyone thinks because, like you, most of them don't think at all. 

Like yourself, You don't care about democracy. All you want is for republicans to win at any cost. The capitol riots and the lack condemnation from you lot is proof you don't support democracy. You still believe the election was stolen and support that but lie with no evidence. 

I suggest you think before you get on some high moral ground. At least get some facts. 

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I don't know what you're talking about concerning "closure of 24 booths in the south" but I notice you're hesitant about offering a link. Generally when people do that it's because there's more or less to it than what they're suggesting and they're hoping nobody will notice.

As far as one of us being mistaken on the nature of democracy, I suggest it's you. Democracy is not opening up election rules to allow one party (in this case, the Democrats) to exploit them. Rules need to be fair while being as open as possible to both sides and secure from outside intervention. This is what the recent Republican tweaks attempt, following the Democrats taking advantage of the pandemic and unclear rules in 2020 to rig the election.

(Notice, I didn't say fraud, so don't try to divert me there. Others of your ilk have tried. Didn't work for them. Won't work for you.)

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42 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

I don't know what you're talking about concerning "closure of 24 booths in the south" but I notice you're hesitant about offering a link.

He's fresh from the deepest, darkest echo chamber in the land. Leftist platitudes are his cites. 

The things people who watch the news knew of in advance for years, he's still yet to hear to hear about. If he googles Clinesmith or Sussman his head will explode. 

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On 1/10/2022 at 12:41 PM, Nationalist said:

Elections Commission rejects Racine County sheriff's claim of voting violations at nursing homes

AP, LEE ENTERPRISES

YORKVILLE — Five of the six members of the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission shot back late Thursday night against allegations from a Wisconsin sheriff and former supporter of President Donald Trump who accused the commission of breaking the law during last year’s election by not sending poll workers into nursing homes to help residents vote.

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In a 75-minute presentation streamed on his Facebook page, Schmaling said eight residents of the Ridgewood Care Center in Racine County cast ballots in the November election even though their families believed they did not have the capacity to vote. Without the poll workers, known as special voting deputies, to assist them, Schmaling suggested someone else had to have helped the voters, possibly even filling out their ballots for them.

Three Democratic and two Republican appointees to the commission issued a statement Thursday expressing their “strenuous disagreement” with Schmaling’s allegations…..

 

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections-commission-rejects-racine-county-sheriffs-claim-of-voting-violations-at-nursing-homes/article_89726738-a1d0-5594-89d1-94c9cf22437c.html
 

 

Meanwhile back in reality most ACTUAL PROVEN voter fraud attempts weren’t Republican 

 

Three Republican supporters from Trump-backing Florida complex The Villages arrested for voter fraud

The three have been accused of voting more than once in the 2020 elections
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/republicans-trump-florida-vote-fraud-b1976344.html?amp

 

4th resident of The Villages charged with voter fraud

Charles Barnes, 64, was arrested Tuesday and charged with voter fraud for casting more than one ballot, according to an arrest affidavit filed in court.
 

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/01/06/4th-resident-of-the-villages-charged-with-voter-fraud/?outputType=amp
 

 

 

Another voter fraud accusation blows up in Republicans' faces

Washington(CNN)  The mysterious case of Rosemarie Hartle's vote in the last presidential election, three years after her death, was trumpeted in November 2020 by the Nevada Republican Party and various prominentconservatives. From then-President Donald Trump on down, Republicans used stories about phony votes cast under the names of dead people as key evidence for their claim that Joe Biden's victory was marred by major fraud. 

The Hartle mystery is now solved. And it turns out that the fraud was committed by a Republican.

Hartle was married to Las Vegas businessman Donald Kirk Hartle, a registered Republican. In November 2020, Hartle told Las Vegas television station 8 News Now (KLAS-TV) that he felt "disbelief" when he found out that a mail-in ballot was submitted in his late wife's name. It was "pretty sickening," he said at the time, adding that he didn't know how it could've happened. 

 

But Hartle had actually cast the phony ballot himself. 

On Tuesday, Hartle pleaded guilty to the crime of voting more than once in the same election. The judge, 8 News Now reported, said Hartle had pulled what seemed like a "cheap political stunt that kind of backfired and shows that our voting system actually works because you were ultimately caught." 

Indeed. And it isn't the first time something like this has happened. 

In November 2020, the Trump campaign highlighted a case in which a ballot was cast in the name of a long-dead Pennsylvania woman. Her son later pleaded guilty to casting that ballot for Trump, saying, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, he had "listened to too much propaganda and made a stupid mistake."
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/21/politics/fact-check-republicans-voter-fraud-kirk-hartle/index.html

 

Republican official in Ohio faces charge for voting twice in November election

"I was simply trying to execute a dying man’s wishes," Ed Snodgrass said.

By Corky Siemaszko
June 22, 2021, 5:23 PM EDT

Republican lawmakers in Ohio pushing for more “safety and security” at the ballot box can now point to a clear example of voter fraud in the November 2020 presidential election.

Unfortunately for them, it involves another Republican.

Edward Snodgrass, who is a Porter Township trustee, has admitted to forging his dead father’s signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself, court records and other sources revealed.
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1271985

 

Pennsylvania Man Charged With Voter Fraud For Casting Ballot For Trump Under Dead Mother’s Name

Alison Durkee05:16pm EST

A supporter of President Donald Trump in Marple Township, Pennsylvania, has been charged with voting for the president under the name of his deceased mother, the Delaware County District Attorney announced Monday, becoming the third Republican to be prosecuted for voter fraud in the battleground state.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/21/pennsylvania-man-charged-with-voter-fraud-for-casting-ballot-for-trump-under-dead-mothers-name/amp/
 

Scottsdale woman indicted for casting dead mother’s ballot

BY: JEREMY DUDA - JULY 13, 2021 8:17 AM
 

A grand jury has indicted a Scottsdale Republican woman for allegedly casting her dead mother’s early ballot in the November election in a rare prosecution for voter fraud in Arizona. 
 

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/voter-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/
 

 

man this is tiring work I haven’t even come close to getting through all instances of dumbass Republican ms who tried and failed to cast fraudulent votes   And that’s only from the 2020 election, plenty results were coming up for previous years too.   I’m taking a break 

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24 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I already explained the difference a hundred times, dummy  

Only a retard could think Trumps assault on democracy  and attempt to complete undine faith in the electoral system was merely another “contentious election”   

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19 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Elections Commission rejects Racine County sheriff's claim of voting violations at nursing homes

AP, LEE ENTERPRISES

YORKVILLE — Five of the six members of the bipartisan Wisconsin Elections Commission shot back late Thursday night against allegations from a Wisconsin sheriff and former supporter of President Donald Trump who accused the commission of breaking the law during last year’s election by not sending poll workers into nursing homes to help residents vote.

…..

In a 75-minute presentation streamed on his Facebook page, Schmaling said eight residents of the Ridgewood Care Center in Racine County cast ballots in the November election even though their families believed they did not have the capacity to vote. Without the poll workers, known as special voting deputies, to assist them, Schmaling suggested someone else had to have helped the voters, possibly even filling out their ballots for them.

Three Democratic and two Republican appointees to the commission issued a statement Thursday expressing their “strenuous disagreement” with Schmaling’s allegations…..

 

https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections-commission-rejects-racine-county-sheriffs-claim-of-voting-violations-at-nursing-homes/article_89726738-a1d0-5594-89d1-94c9cf22437c.html
 

 

Meanwhile back in reality most ACTUAL PROVEN voter fraud attempts weren’t Republican 

 

Three Republican supporters from Trump-backing Florida complex The Villages arrested for voter fraud

The three have been accused of voting more than once in the 2020 elections
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/republicans-trump-florida-vote-fraud-b1976344.html?amp

 

4th resident of The Villages charged with voter fraud

Charles Barnes, 64, was arrested Tuesday and charged with voter fraud for casting more than one ballot, according to an arrest affidavit filed in court.
 

https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/01/06/4th-resident-of-the-villages-charged-with-voter-fraud/?outputType=amp
 

 

 

Another voter fraud accusation blows up in Republicans' faces

Washington(CNN)  The mysterious case of Rosemarie Hartle's vote in the last presidential election, three years after her death, was trumpeted in November 2020 by the Nevada Republican Party and various prominentconservatives. From then-President Donald Trump on down, Republicans used stories about phony votes cast under the names of dead people as key evidence for their claim that Joe Biden's victory was marred by major fraud. 

The Hartle mystery is now solved. And it turns out that the fraud was committed by a Republican.

Hartle was married to Las Vegas businessman Donald Kirk Hartle, a registered Republican. In November 2020, Hartle told Las Vegas television station 8 News Now (KLAS-TV) that he felt "disbelief" when he found out that a mail-in ballot was submitted in his late wife's name. It was "pretty sickening," he said at the time, adding that he didn't know how it could've happened. 

 

But Hartle had actually cast the phony ballot himself. 

On Tuesday, Hartle pleaded guilty to the crime of voting more than once in the same election. The judge, 8 News Now reported, said Hartle had pulled what seemed like a "cheap political stunt that kind of backfired and shows that our voting system actually works because you were ultimately caught." 

Indeed. And it isn't the first time something like this has happened. 

In November 2020, the Trump campaign highlighted a case in which a ballot was cast in the name of a long-dead Pennsylvania woman. Her son later pleaded guilty to casting that ballot for Trump, saying, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer, he had "listened to too much propaganda and made a stupid mistake."
 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/11/21/politics/fact-check-republicans-voter-fraud-kirk-hartle/index.html

 

Republican official in Ohio faces charge for voting twice in November election

"I was simply trying to execute a dying man’s wishes," Ed Snodgrass said.

By Corky Siemaszko
June 22, 2021, 5:23 PM EDT

Republican lawmakers in Ohio pushing for more “safety and security” at the ballot box can now point to a clear example of voter fraud in the November 2020 presidential election.

Unfortunately for them, it involves another Republican.

Edward Snodgrass, who is a Porter Township trustee, has admitted to forging his dead father’s signature on an absentee ballot and then voting again as himself, court records and other sources revealed.
 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1271985

 

Pennsylvania Man Charged With Voter Fraud For Casting Ballot For Trump Under Dead Mother’s Name

Alison Durkee05:16pm EST

A supporter of President Donald Trump in Marple Township, Pennsylvania, has been charged with voting for the president under the name of his deceased mother, the Delaware County District Attorney announced Monday, becoming the third Republican to be prosecuted for voter fraud in the battleground state.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2020/12/21/pennsylvania-man-charged-with-voter-fraud-for-casting-ballot-for-trump-under-dead-mothers-name/amp/
 

Scottsdale woman indicted for casting dead mother’s ballot

BY: JEREMY DUDA - JULY 13, 2021 8:17 AM
 

A grand jury has indicted a Scottsdale Republican woman for allegedly casting her dead mother’s early ballot in the November election in a rare prosecution for voter fraud in Arizona. 
 

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/voter-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/
 

 

man this is tiring work I haven’t even come close to getting through all instances of dumbass Republican ms who tried and failed to cast fraudulent votes   And that’s only from the 2020 election, plenty results were coming up for previous years too.   I’m taking a break 

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38 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Rig? Again...do tell.

1. Gerrymandering swing-state legislatures. It all begins here. Any effort to change election laws or to argue that legislatures have the power to appoint electors themselves requires Republican control of battleground state legislatures.

2. Restricting access to the polls. In 2021, 19 states enacted 34 laws making it more difficult to cast a ballot. They included 2020’s fiercest battlegrounds, Arizona (decided in 2020 by just 10,457 votes) and Georgia.

3. Capturing electoral administration. Republican legislatures in eight states, sometimes overriding the vetoes of Democratic governors, have claimed partisan control of crucial electoral responsibilities or shifted them away from elected secretaries of state. Georgia Republicans censured Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state who refused to be cowed by Trump’s attacks on the electoral process, then removed him as chair of the state election board – and seizedthat power for the legislature itself. Another law gives this board the power to claim control of the vote-counting process in individual counties, such as heavily Democratic Fulton county, home to Atlanta. Arizona barred its secretary of state from representing the state in litigation defending its election code – that is, until 2 January 2023, when the Democrat who currently holds the position leaves office. Texas now requires the governor, lieutenant governor and the house speaker each to sign off on any grants over $1,000 to local election boards, grants having been a popular method of expanding voting access in cities and rural areas in 2020 when states cited financial reasons for shuttering precincts.

4. Pressuring – and criminalizing – the work of election officials. Many new state laws don’t simply make it harder for citizens to vote, they make it tougher for non-partisan election workers to do their jobs. Georgia, Texas and Florida have created civil penalties and fines of up to $25,000 for minor, technical infractions – for the kind of help non-partisan officials offer when needed, or obstructing the view of partisan poll workers – and even opened them to criminal prosecution.

According to a Brennan Center and Bipartisan Policy Center study, a third of election workers report feeling unsafe in their jobs. As many as 25% say the toxic, bullying climate could cause them to leave their jobs. Their replacements, in positions that had once been non-partisan, non-competitive and volunteer? The big lie’s truest believers, seeking the offices some believe stole the 2020 election from them. This is a “five-alarm fire”, the Michigan secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, told the New York Times.
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/10/republicans-election-democracy-seven-ways-trump
 

Slow-motion insurrection:’ How Republicans seize election power

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-slow-motion-insurrection-how-republicans-seize-election-power/
 

 

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I already explained the difference a hundred times, dummy  

Only a retard could think Trumps assault on democracy  and attempt to complete undine faith in the electoral system was merely another “contentious election”   

A retard? Huh...

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of Karma.

See...a reasonable man might not want the eventuality of a mid-term sweep, to turn the assault of lies and condescension libbies...like you exemplify here...like to heap on us back-asswards conservatives, back in your faces with the same vigor. It would be...lowering ourselves and forsaking our local-yokle principles. 

But ya know...you can only play this mud-slinging game so long, before we dumb-ass bumpkins...

Say, "Naw fuckit. Destroy the childish little brats."

;)

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5 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Yes more! Find more!

Well there’s about 475 documented cases of voter fraud in 2020. Most seem to be dumbassTrump supporters trying and failing to steal the election for Trump just at Trump tried and failed to steal the election with his lies. But still only 475 isn’t enough to tip the results either way. 
 

A yearly later and the Big Lie suckers can’t produce a single shred of evidence to prove what would be the biggest, most implausible, hardest to conceal conspiracy of all time, and despite claiming over a year ago that you already have all the undeniable, incontrovertible evidence and would reveal it all at any moment. And yet not only do you somehow still cling to this idiotic delusion after getting laughed out of every court and official venue in the land, you still expect Americans to actually depose the elected president and install Trump in light of the above?  Ridiculous 

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Just now, Nationalist said:

A retard? Huh...

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of Karma.

See...a reasonable man might not want the eventuality of a mid-term sweep, to turn the assault of lies and condescension libbies...like you exemplify here...like to heap on us back-asswards conservatives, back in your faces with the same vigor. It would be...lowering ourselves and forsaking our local-yokle principles. 

But ya know...you can only play this mud-slinging game so long, before we dumb-ass bumpkins...

Say, "Naw fuckit. Destroy the childish little brats."

;)

Well I’m sure if you lose you’ll just scream “CONSPIRACY!!!’” again. That’s the great thing about screaming “CONSPIRACY!!” it can be used for situations or fact’s you don’t like and nobody can prove you wrong. 
 

Besides Republicans can hardly get any more vile and vindictive than they already are. 

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13 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

1. Gerrymandering swing-state legislatures. It all begins here. Any effort to change election laws or to argue that legislatures have the power to appoint electors themselves requires Republican control of battleground state legislatures.

2. Restricting access to the polls. In 2021, 19 states enacted 34 laws making it more difficult to cast a ballot. They included 2020’s fiercest battlegrounds, Arizona (decided in 2020 by just 10,457 votes) and Georgia.

3. Capturing electoral administration. Republican legislatures in eight states, sometimes overriding the vetoes of Democratic governors, have claimed partisan control of crucial electoral responsibilities or shifted them away from elected secretaries of state. Georgia Republicans censured Brad Raffensperger, the Republican secretary of state who refused to be cowed by Trump’s attacks on the electoral process, then removed him as chair of the state election board – and seizedthat power for the legislature itself. Another law gives this board the power to claim control of the vote-counting process in individual counties, such as heavily Democratic Fulton county, home to Atlanta. Arizona barred its secretary of state from representing the state in litigation defending its election code – that is, until 2 January 2023, when the Democrat who currently holds the position leaves office. Texas now requires the governor, lieutenant governor and the house speaker each to sign off on any grants over $1,000 to local election boards, grants having been a popular method of expanding voting access in cities and rural areas in 2020 when states cited financial reasons for shuttering precincts.

4. Pressuring – and criminalizing – the work of election officials. Many new state laws don’t simply make it harder for citizens to vote, they make it tougher for non-partisan election workers to do their jobs. Georgia, Texas and Florida have created civil penalties and fines of up to $25,000 for minor, technical infractions – for the kind of help non-partisan officials offer when needed, or obstructing the view of partisan poll workers – and even opened them to criminal prosecution.

According to a Brennan Center and Bipartisan Policy Center study, a third of election workers report feeling unsafe in their jobs. As many as 25% say the toxic, bullying climate could cause them to leave their jobs. Their replacements, in positions that had once been non-partisan, non-competitive and volunteer? The big lie’s truest believers, seeking the offices some believe stole the 2020 election from them. This is a “five-alarm fire”, the Michigan secretary of state, Jocelyn Benson, told the New York Times.
 

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/10/republicans-election-democracy-seven-ways-trump
 

Slow-motion insurrection:’ How Republicans seize election power

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/world/article-slow-motion-insurrection-how-republicans-seize-election-power/
 

 

 

 

 

 

Lol...gerrymandering...

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Just now, BeaverFever said:

Well I’m sure if you lose you’ll just scream “CONSPIRACY!!!’” again. That’s the great thing about screaming “CONSPIRACY!!” it can be used for situations or fact’s you don’t like and nobody can prove you wrong. 
 

Besides Republicans can hardly get any more vile and vindictive than they already are. 

Huh...

Does it hurt...physically I mean...to be so overcome with such pure hatred?

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7 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Well there’s about 475 documented cases of voter fraud in 2020. Most seem to be dumbassTrump supporters trying and failing to steal the election for Trump just at Trump tried and failed to steal the election with his lies. But still only 475 isn’t enough to tip the results either way. 
 

A yearly later and the Big Lie suckers can’t produce a single shred of evidence to prove what would be the biggest, most implausible, hardest to conceal conspiracy of all time, and despite claiming over a year ago that you already have all the undeniable, incontrovertible evidence and would reveal it all at any moment. And yet not only do you somehow still cling to this idiotic delusion after getting laughed out of every court and official venue in the land, you still expect Americans to actually depose the elected president and install Trump in light of the above?  Ridiculous 

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This has been illuminating. My conclusion:

US politics have gone off the rails completely. Today the POTUS insinuated...in a none too veiled fashion...that anyone who does not agree with his bullshit, are domestic enemies. Bravo Joe.

The liberal/progressive mind has lost its collective marbles. They have allowed hatred to fill their souls and its pushing them to attack...their own people. Half the nation.

There are so many BIG LIES being passed as truth...blatant lies that are incredibly obvious...that it's now a bloody joke.

Do I...personally...think the left cheated in 2020? LOL...read this thread and tell me...do they sound desperate enough and deranged enough to cheat in a presidential election? 

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7 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I don't know what you're talking about concerning "closure of 24 booths in the south" but I notice you're hesitant about offering a link.

I never mentioned 24 booths. You did. 

Generally when people do that it's because there's more or less to it than what they're suggesting and they're hoping nobody will notice.

Don't generalise me into one of your pathetic categories.

As far as one of us being mistaken on the nature of democracy, I suggest it's you. Democracy is not opening up election rules to allow one party (in this case, the Democrats) to exploit them.

Now we get to your hypocrisy. Show the link with irrefutable evidence the democrats exploited anything. I know you can't so it's best you retract that lie. 

Rules need to be fair while being as open as possible to both sides and secure from outside intervention.

Is your definition of fairness closing booths what normally favour the Democrat black voters? To be a good liar, you need a good memory. 

This is what the recent Republican tweaks attempt, following the Democrats taking advantage of the pandemic and unclear rules in 2020 to rig the election.

Again, where's your evidence of that because I know it's your hate filled ignorant opinion and that's all. You are still belching the lie it was stolen because Lord trump said so. Not one court challenge proved anything but a Neville nobody like you has all the information to prove it was rigged. Don't make me vomit.  

(Notice, I didn't say fraud, so don't try to divert me there. Others of your ilk have tried. Didn't work for them. Won't work for you.)

Say what you like.  I know what you mean. You're a Republican so there's a massive intellectual vacuum which is heredity. 

 

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3 hours ago, Colin Norris said:

[Psycho Prog-speak]

What is it with you guys with crazier opinions that you can't at least figure out how the quote function works? Here, I'll help you.

See, how I'm typing below the quote box. You can do that every time you click the quotation mark icon in the chat box.

Now as to this idea of yours that it's hypocritical of me not to give you links as to where I got the idea Democrats exploited weaknesses in the system during the pandemic year of 2020 while noticing how you keep posting some insane claim that republicans are closing polling stations to keep blacks from voting without showing where you discovered such an outrageous claim. 

I actually have posted links to support how rules were changed or advantaged to exploit the year of the Chi-Com virus. More than once. You seem to have missed it. I'll give them to you again if you like but first let's educate you on your idea Republicans won't let blacks vote.

Many poll sites have been closed down since 2012. Here's why:

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ATLANTA – Nearly 1,700 voting precincts in 13 states have been shut down since 2012, many  in black or Latino communities, after a landmark court decision that removed federal oversight of local voting practices, according to a new report. 

That was 2012. If you can't remember who was President in 2012 to 2017, it was Barrack Obama. Then it wasn't. When it wasn't the closures became an issue Democrats and their corporate media wanted to whine about. They claimed it could affect black votes. However, it wasn't just blacks who were affected:

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Georgia's counties saw a higher percentage of polling location closures than any other state. According to the report, Lumpkin County, a majority-white county in the north central part of the state, closed 89% of its polling places. Warren County, a majority-black county east of Atlanta, closed 83%.

Now we see why you didn't want to offer a link. 

As to my hypocrisy...

Would you like to see a link giving an example of how Democrats were able to advantage the pandemic to create new rules? Here ya go. The link's in the title. Click it.

Jim Crow 2.0? How Kentucky’s Poll Closures Could Suppress Black Votes

And let's remember Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear at the time was a Democrat.

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