Quebec 101 bashing

[myata]

The question is simple: will progressive (in its own interpretation) media and political elites reignite separatist feelings, and agenda in Quebec?

I'm counting the number of "Miss Fatima" and le Loi 101 stories in the national media. The count is at 5 in only a few days. At which point someone would stop and think what effect they produce with their actions? Unless of course, there's only one kind of action possible, and then no thinking necessary, just nail it in.

Edited December 15, 2021 by myata

[myata]

When an idiot feels that they are right there's no stopping them. Unfortunately for everybody else.

[Nefarious Banana]

Quebec brings fuck-all to the picnic, eats everyone else's sandwiches, then whines and bitches about it.

Sad thing is, the rest of the picnic goers listen to the whining and bitching, and promise to bring more/better sandwiches.

Nutshell:  This country's fucked if Quebec's involved.

Take the medicine, and shit this parasitic tapeworm out. 

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Quebec brings fuck-all to the picnic, eats everyone else's sandwiches, then whines and bitches about it.

Sad thing is, the rest of the picnic goers listen to the whining and bitching, and promise to bring more/better sandwiches.

Nutshell:  This country's fucked if Quebec's involved.

Take the medicine, and shit this parasitic tapeworm out. 

 

New France has a nice ring to it.

[myata]

Like it would be a better country. There was a massive in-depth discussion in the society about the law. The rationale and the reasons are very well spelled and they are real. Forming of subconscious bias is real.

What essential issue is being discussed to even remotely similar extent, where? What the government spends its (sic) next XYZ billions on (not what results it would produce for the society). Sure keep dreaming that Quebec is the cause and and instant solution to your problems. Sometimes sticking a bandaid helps.

[Nefarious Banana]

40 minutes ago, myata said:

Sure keep dreaming that Quebec is the cause and and instant solution to your problems. 

Quebec has made it abundantly clear that it doesn't consider itself a part of Canada.  Does 1982 ring any bells for you?

[myata]

Quebec is still Canada of course, but what a dead boring country would it be without it. When was the time you saw a new party, new issues, new agenda? Endless talking heads talking, talking, talking.... about nothing. Can it get any more boring, guessing China and Russia.

[Nefarious Banana]

7 minutes ago, myata said:

Quebec is still Canada of course, but what a dead boring country would it be without it. When was the time you saw a new party, new issues, new agenda? Endless talking heads talking, talking, talking.... about nothing.

Quebec is a parasite.  You seem to think that pouring tax payers $$ into Quebec will relieve your boredom.  Sad.

[ironstone]

I think the law goes too far. If they would have just banned the burka I don't see that as a bad thing at all. Because we are talking about precious spoiled Quebec most politicians are having to tread extremely carefully in order to not offend or lose votes in that province.

It's kind of a catch 22 for progressives, very similar to their belief that people of colour absolutely cannot be racist.

[myata]

Well, imagine a bunch of 5 year old kids looking and seeing that some women do/have to/can cover their faces, in a position of authority and as a matter of normal, while men never ever do that. Every day and possibly, for years. How would they interpret the equality chat later on if / when a subconscious bias has already formed? Who of the progressive (so called) even thought; considered; discussed that? Why would they even need, to think?

Edited December 15, 2021 by myata

[Nefarious Banana]

^  ^  ^  What's your point?

[ironstone]

At that time years ago when the Taliban were forced out in Afghanistan, do you remember seeing the images of so many women thrilled to not be forced to wear the burka anymore? The burka was still present during those years but it wasn't as bad as under Taliban rule.

Afghan Women Disappear Under Burqas Amid Taliban Advance (rferl.org)

To be clear, the burka is the only so-called religious symbol that I would be happy to see banned. If I have to deal in person with any government official or even a cashier, I want to see their face. Masks for covid are something different as it's supposed to be for everyone's personal safety.

Afghan women’s defiance and despair: ‘I never thought I’d have to wear a burqa. My identity will be lost’ | Global development | The Guardian

[CITIZEN_2015]

Quebec government and those idiots who support the bill proved tht they are as bad as Islamic republic of Iran subhuman rulers or ape Taliban rulers but in opposite direction both being against a woman's choice enforcing mandatory rule as how a woman should dress. Fuck both sides.

[myata]

48 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

^  ^  ^  What's your point?

The point is that imposing a self-righteous dogma blindly and without a trace of intelligent conversation on someone who is at least trying to think with their own mind is likely to cause a backlash. Only from own experience of course.

[myata]

And at the same time we see mandatory restrictions way more severe imposed without any explanation, discussion of reasons and benefits, no questions asked and answered. Weird. Bizarre. But maybe only because we forgot because that's what they do in an absolute unrestricted monarchy. Here, just do it, for your own good. No questions needed.

[Queenmandy85]

The best way to protest Bill 21 would be for all of the teachers, men and women, to show up for work wearing a hijab. Is the government going to remove them all from teaching?

Edited December 15, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[myata]

50 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

to show up for work wearing a hijab

Sure you can do that and more (like that). What does it have to do with teaching though, but who cares the train (of reason and intelligence) long gone.

[Queenmandy85]

It shows solidarity. If you discriminate against one of us, you discriminate against all of us. It would be even better if everyone who opposed Bill 21, wore an hijab, a cross and a Star of David, not just teachers. 

[Queenmandy85]

Maybe challenge the Premier, "I won't wear a hijab if you don't wear pants or shorts." 

[myata]

Isn't it cute how bleeding hearts are so for the rights and choice, right till the point where they feel that you have to do something for them. Sure, mandatory. Yes, with a loss of job and benefits. Nope, no explanation needed.

I work with intelligent machines and they can be easily biased by what they see implicitly. There's no way a intelligent being like a child could not being affected by a repeated show of extreme gender bias, don't mine nice inclusive chit-chat they cannot make sense of but what they see affects forming values.

But sure we can have freedom and choice, just let's be fair about it. You pay for the school where all kind of religious symbols compete for the attention. And I like mine inclusive, objective and secular both students and teachers can choose and exercise their rituals elsewhere, entirely free. Can we have that choice, please?

[suds]

In 2017, the Quebec liberals pass Bill 62 which required government service workers (when dealing with  the public) to have faces uncovered. It also required the public (when dealing with those same government workers) to uncover theirs as well.  In 2019, the CAQ pass Bill 21 (basically an extension of Bill 62) to ban the wearing of religious symbols in most public sectors. While Bill 62 is disproportionately aimed at one religion, Bill 21 is aimed at all religions and although somewhat less discriminatory is far more reaching in scope.  2/3 of Quebec citizens support Bill 21 and would have to assume that number includes a large number of school teachers as well. I see nothing wrong with wearing a hijab (headscarf in particular, or as long as the face is showing) or the wearing of religious symbols if kept to a certain number and size. My opinion is that while Bill 62 makes a certain amount of sense, Bill 21 is a perfect example of government overreach.

[QuebecOverCanada]

6 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Quebec brings fuck-all to the picnic, eats everyone else's sandwiches, then whines and bitches about it.

Sad thing is, the rest of the picnic goers listen to the whining and bitching, and promise to bring more/better sandwiches.

Nutshell:  This country's fucked if Quebec's involved.

Take the medicine, and shit this parasitic tapeworm out. 

I completely agree with you.

We should separate.

[taxme]

9 hours ago, myata said:

The question is simple: will progressive (in its own interpretation) media and political elites reignite separatist feelings, and agenda in Quebec?

I'm counting the number of "Miss Fatima" and le Loi 101 stories in the national media. The count is at 5 in only a few days. At which point someone would stop and think what effect they produce with their actions? Unless of course, there's only one kind of action possible, and then no thinking necessary, just nail it in.

i have been in favor for decades now to see Quebec separate and get lost. They have and always will be a burden on the rest of English Canada. French Quebec, and all of their french leaders that have become PM's from french Canada, has been responsible for all the many communist like programs and agendas that has pretty much turned the rest of Canada into a socialist country. The west would be far better off getting rid of Quebec and out of their hair and let us separate from the east. We would be a lot richer people and a lot better off if we separated from the eastern Marxists. Go, Quebec, Go. ?

[Queenmandy85]

Freedom of Religion is the most important freedom we have. As for face coverings, well that ship has sailed since Covid came to be with us. Why is it necessary to have your face uncovered? Wearing a burka is the same as being clothed from the waist down. It is a question of modesty. Why is it the government's business what someone wears? It is almost as if the Quebec government hates religion.

 

[myata]

6 minutes ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Freedom of Religion is the most important freedom we have

Are you confusing freedom (for you) with an obligation, for others? Just as usual?