Conservative party leadersip (erin otoole)

[Queenmandy85]

1 hour ago, EastCanada90 said:

are you still a tory supporter? i'll be honest otoole was the first time i debated voting for them until about 2 weeks in campaign when i stopped .

There is no Federal Tory Party. Peter MacKay killed it. I was all set to vote for Mr. O'Toole in this past election until he promised to re-start the Northern Gateway pipeline. It is the wrong route. Trans Mountain is the better route because there is already a line there.

I live in hope that Mr. O'Toole will give us our Tory Party back.

I am a Poor Fellow Soldier of Clark, a Happy Warrior in the Great Tory Crusade.

Edited October 11, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, EastCanada90 said:

lol a right wing party never takes less money from  ordinary people.. big business and stuff sure.

Canadians don't elect right wing parties

the countries that do

do occasionally take less money from ordinary people

what you say is demonstrably false

[Cannucklehead]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Canadians don't elect right wing parties

the countries that do

do occasionally take less money from ordinary people

what you say is demonstrably false

That explains why Harper was pm for 9 years.  

 

Election interference I guess?  

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Cannucklehead said:

That explains why Harper was pm for 9 years.  

 

Election interference I guess?  

Harper was a cuck

Canadian Conservatives are not right wing

and they never have been

Edited October 11, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Cannucklehead]

4 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Harper was a cuck

Canadian Conservatives are not right wing

The party sits at the centre-right to the right of the Canadian political spectrum, with their federal rivals, the Liberal Party of Canada, positioned to their left. The Conservatives are defined as a "big tent" party, practising "brokerage politics" and welcoming a broad variety of members.  

 

I guess they're just not hard core enough for you?  

[Yzermandius19]

16 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

The party sits at the centre-right to the right of the Canadian political spectrum, with their federal rivals, the Liberal Party of Canada, positioned to their left. The Conservatives are defined as a "big tent" party, practising "brokerage politics" and welcoming a broad variety of members.  

 

I guess they're just not hard core enough for you?  

Canada's overton window is firmly on the left

being to the right of the Liberals doesn't make them the right

they ain't the Republicans bro

the CPC are far to the left of GOP

they are definitely closer to Democrats than Republicans

the CPC are basically Democrats

the LPC and NDP are also basically Democrats

that's how little political choice there is in Canada

America has a much wider overton window than Canada

which is why a viable right wing party exists in America

but not in Canada

Edited October 11, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Army Guy]

8 hours ago, EastCanada90 said:

the government owes me  lots and whatever i say they do lmao.. they waste everyones money  so yea i will damn make sure i get my money back and then some for taking it in the first place and goodluck ever cutting Ei seriously lol atlantic canada would riot .

Your taxes pay for the services you receive everyday, they are not free, the government owes you jack shit,  welcome to the real world...Justin is not going to deliver to many of his promises i can tell you that, and you would have better luck buying a lotto ticket if your looking for the grand payout...

Your right about the riot those that wanted to work are working or have already moved out west...what is left are either retired or totally dependent on the government for everything in life, sucking on the big government tit....entire generations of people to lazy to get off welfare..

As for the riots "giver", burn the place to the ground...it would be the best thing to ever happen to this province...

[EastCanada90]

26 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Your taxes pay for the services you receive everyday, they are not free, the government owes you jack shit,  welcome to the real world...Justin is not going to deliver to many of his promises i can tell you that, and you would have better luck buying a lotto ticket if your looking for the grand payout...

Your right about the riot those that wanted to work are working or have already moved out west...what is left are either retired or totally dependent on the government for everything in life, sucking on the big government tit....entire generations of people to lazy to get off welfare..

As for the riots "giver", burn the place to the ground...it would be the best thing to ever happen to this province...

lol like i said before the government owes me whatever i say  . welfare is different then ei.. welfare should be cut long ago cause they wont even work seasonal jobs most of them lol.

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, EastCanada90 said:

lol like i said before the government owes me whatever i say  . welfare is different then ei.. welfare should be cut long ago cause they wont even work seasonal jobs most of them lol.

There both government hand outs, to many taking advantage and gaming the system, don't tell me a lobster fishermen that makes 90k to 250 k in a season deserves to go on UI...it's bullshit... or entire families on welfare pumping out kids like rabbits, pretty common where I live at its sickening.    

[EastCanada90]

2 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

There both government hand outs, to many taking advantage and gaming the system, don't tell me a lobster fishermen that makes 90k to 250 k in a season deserves to go on UI...it's bullshit... or entire families on welfare pumping out kids like rabbits, pretty common where I live at its sickening.    

 

depends the deckhands and  stuff yea they deserve ei..  the boat owners no they don't.

[Argus]

On 10/11/2021 at 7:45 PM, EastCanada90 said:

lol like i said before the government owes me whatever i say 

The government has no money. Whatever it gives you it has to take from people who worked for it.

[WestCanMan]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

The government has no money. Whatever it gives you it has to take from people who worked for it.

Or in Trudeau's case, from people who aren't even born yet. 

[EastCanada90]

11 hours ago, Argus said:

The government has no money. Whatever it gives you it has to take from people who worked for it.

 

and i work also  so  that includes me

[Argus]

5 hours ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

and i work also  so  that includes me

I doubt that. It sounds like you're among the 40% or more of Canadians who is a net drain on the treasury - who wind up paying no income tax.

[EastCanada90]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

I doubt that. It sounds like you're among the 40% or more of Canadians who is a net drain on the treasury - who wind up paying no income tax.

lol i pay taxes thanks very much i aint on welfare.

[Argus]

Doesn't mean you pay anything. Lots of people earn low wages and get everything that's taken off their cheque back at tax time. Others pay a little but get far more back, esp those getting untaxable child benefit cheques.

[dialamah]

13 hours ago, Argus said:

Doesn't mean you pay anything. Lots of people earn low wages and get everything that's taken off their cheque back at tax time. Others pay a little but get far more back, esp those getting untaxable child benefit cheques.

I guess if we hadn't been primed to think we deserve cheap goods and services,  corporations and businesses could pay their staff good wages and people wouldn't have poverty level income, requiring that they pay no income tax to (barely) get by.   

Edited October 14, 2021 by dialamah

[Yzermandius19]

33 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I guess if we hadn't been primed to think we deserve cheap goods and services,  corporations and businesses could pay their staff good wages and people wouldn't have poverty level income, requiring that they pay no income tax to (barely) get by.   

how is less goods and services being sold going to result in higher wages?

[Argus]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

I guess if we hadn't been primed to think we deserve cheap goods and services,  corporations and businesses could pay their staff good wages and people wouldn't have poverty level income, requiring that they pay no income tax to (barely) get by.   

Primed to believe the world owes you a living. Primed to believe other people should be forced to give their money to you so you can have more. 

I'm not in favour of allowing people to freeze or starve to death in the dark. But I don't owe you a good living. If you don't have any skills, education, drive or initiative you SHOULD be barely getting by.

As for exporting our manufacturing base, I'm not a historian but I don't recall life before we started doing that was so much greater or that there was a generally higher standard of living. The biggest influence on wages over the past fifty years has been women essentially doubling the workforce without any real rise in demand for goods and services.

Edited October 14, 2021 by Argus

[dialamah]

22 minutes ago, Argus said:

Primed to believe the world owes you a living. Primed to believe other people should be forced to give their money to you so you can have more. 

So someone looking for work gets work at a wage that won't pay for food and shelter, including, and you are mad they get a break on taxes 

23 minutes ago, Argus said:

not in favour of allowing people to freeze or starve to death in the dark.

But that's exactly what your uncompromising and compassionless rhetoric supports 

24 minutes ago, Argus said:

The biggest influence on wages over the past fifty years has been women essentially doubling the workforce without any real rise in demand for goods and services.

Wow, you are old aren't you!  

[Argus]

8 minutes ago, dialamah said:

So someone looking for work gets work at a wage that won't pay for food and shelter, including, and you are mad they get a break on taxes 

Don't ascribe your emotionalism to me. I'm merely stating a logical and economic fact. Capitalism works on the incentives people have to improve themselves by gaining more skills and looking for better jobs. It was certainly motive for me to not settle for the crap jobs I had when I was young and to keep plugging away, keep trying to improve myself, keep looking for better paying jobs.

8 minutes ago, dialamah said:

But that's exactly what your uncompromising and compassionless rhetoric supports 

I love how you're so 'compassionate' with other people's money. The Left always does this. It pretends its own views are the moral ones and the ones made by the right are cruel and immoral. Bullshit. You want to give people enough money so they 'settle' for that, robbing them of the motivation to improve themselves, robbing society of a labour force which is continually improving itself and increasing its production, putting a heavy burden on wage earners and companies. Lower wage jobs might not pay enough for a good living but you're not going to starve on them unless you're a moron or have too many expensive vices. Take the bus and share an apartment like I did.

8 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Wow, you are old aren't you!  

I'm merely stating an economic fact, you old crone. Though I understand how facts outage the Left.

[dialamah]

33 minutes ago, Argus said:

1.  Don't ascribe your emotionalism to me. I'm merely stating a logical and economic fact. Capitalism works on the incentives people have to improve themselves by gaining more skills and looking for better jobs. It was certainly motive for me to not settle for the crap jobs I had when I was young and to keep plugging away, keep trying to improve myself, keep looking for better paying jobs.

2, I love how you're so 'compassionate' with other people's money.

3.  The Left always does this. It pretends its own views are the moral ones and the ones made by the right are cruel and immoral. Bullshit. You want to give people enough money so they 'settle' for that, robbing them of the motivation to improve themselves, robbing society of a labour force which is continually improving itself and increasing its production, putting a heavy burden on wage earners and companies. Lower wage jobs might not pay enough for a good living but you're not going to starve on them unless you're a moron or have too many expensive vices.

4. Take the bus and share an apartment like I did.

5. I'm merely stating an economic fact,

6. you old crone.

7.  Though I understand how facts outage the Left.

1.  You get so het up about things.  Anyway, capitalism is failing millions of people who got the education and are looking for better jobs, but can't find them.  Capitalism also ensures that the rarer things have more value attached to them: consequently, higher paying jobs are less common and harder to get than low-paying jobs.  If everyone currently working at McDonalds got themselves an "education" to better themselves, there wouldn't be enough of those "better" jobs for them all, and a shit-ton of retail and fast food joints would be desperate for employees.  Well, they are anyway as people really don't want to work for shit wages.

2.  It's "my" money I'm being generous with; I pay taxes and don't get anything back at tax time.  Not to mention, the money spent by the government isn't your money or mine; it's the government's money.  The law mandates taxes; those taxes contribute to a better country for us all and are your contribution to that better country for all.  It's not your money; it's everybody's money, inasmuch as the government represents everybody.

3. Plenty of conservatives don't begrudge taxes or social programs; my impression is that you are one of the few.   Of course, helping others is a 'moral' issue; the means is what is at issue.  I support corporations and businesses paying workers more, so that 1. government doesn't have to; 2. people don't have to live on poverty wages; 3. more taxes can go to government.  You support ... well, I guess it's that everybody get educated to obtain jobs that aren't there while corporations continue to get government handouts while paying their workers shit wages.

4. Many do, including the immigrants you love to hate and denigrate for sharing houses and taking all the low-paying jobs.

5. Your "facts" only tell part of the story and are overshadowed by your emotionalism.

6.  ???

7.  Why do you insist on insulting an entire group of people when there are variations of belief and attitudes among any group.  You're an individual with views and beliefs I consider dunderheaded.  But not everybody who leans right is the same as you, so no point in calling all right-wingers 'dunderheads'; just the ones who are.

Edited October 14, 2021 by dialamah

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

But that's exactly what your uncompromising and compassionless rhetoric supports

not at all

one of the great mistakes is to judge policies and programs by their intentions rather than their results

the road to hell is paved with good intentions

those with the "uncompromising and compassionless" rhetoric

tend to support programs and policies that yield better results for the downtrodden

than those constantly harping about empathy and claiming the most vocally to be the champions of the downtrodden

Edited October 14, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[TreeBeard]

On 10/11/2021 at 9:10 AM, Queenmandy85 said:

There is no Federal Tory Party. Peter MacKay killed it. I was all set to vote for Mr. O'Toole in this past election until he promised to re-start the Northern Gateway pipeline. It is the wrong route. Trans Mountain is the better route because there is already a line there.

I live in hope that Mr. O'Toole will give us our Tory Party back.

I am a Poor Fellow Soldier of Clark, a Happy Warrior in the Great Tory Crusade.

Do you think a Tory O’Toole would not have been in favour of Northern Gateway, as opposed to the CPC O’Toole?

[Argus]

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

1.  You get so het up about things.

Nope. When people are reasonable and polite so am I. You are rarely either.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Anyway, capitalism is failing millions of people who got the education and are looking for better jobs, but can't find them. 

Is it? Or are they failing? Capitalism always has winners and losers. Just because you get an education it doesn't mean it's the right education. Choices you make freely impact how successful you will be in life. 

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

Capitalism also ensures that the rarer things have more value attached to them: consequently, higher paying jobs are less common and harder to get than low-paying jobs. 

Of course. The rarer your skillset the more income you can command. That's how Capitalism works.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

If everyone currently working at McDonalds got themselves an "education" to better themselves, there wouldn't be enough of those "better" jobs for them all, and a shit-ton of retail and fast food joints would be desperate for employees. 

The way it works is most of the people in those jobs are young. I had the same crap jobs when I was young. You're supposed to learn from them and progress upward. As you do, more younger people move in behind to take those jobs you left behind.

And I couldn't care less if there are fewer fast food places.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

 It's not your money; it's everybody's money, inasmuch as the government represents everybody.

I'm okay with the government taking my money for necessary expenditures. Not enthusiastic, but okay. What i resent is the government taking my money and wasting it, which it does all too much of. And that includes inserting too much socialism into the system because the losers in the game of Capitalism don't have as nice a house as I do.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

3. Plenty of conservatives don't begrudge taxes or social programs; my impression is that you are one of the few. 

Not many of them started out poor, were poor for decades, and now send off 25k to the government every quarter. And I don't resent social programs when used to keep people from starving or freezing. I don't resent health care - only its incompetence. I resent the idea people deserve my money because they don't have a nice house and good cable and nice clothes and a cell phone otherwise.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

 Of course, helping others is a 'moral' issue; the means is what is at issue.  I support corporations and businesses paying workers more, so that 1. government doesn't have to;

Yeah, yeah, of course you do. The problem with that is the higher the taxes are on corporations and businesses the less profits they make the fewer people they hire. Your way only leads to higher unemployment and more misery, not less. People need to help themselves, not get handouts.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

2. people don't have to live on poverty wages;

Right. They can improve their skills and find better jobs.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

3. more taxes can go to government. 

So they can hire more public servants, and meanwhile business is driven away, foreign investment dries up because there are more profitable countries to invest in, and unemployment rises. Nice job!

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

You support ... well, I guess it's that everybody get educated to obtain jobs that aren't there while corporations continue to get government handouts while paying their workers shit wages.

Nice try. I'm just as much opposed to corporate welfare, except in certain, limited cases due to foreign subsidies. though even there I'd rather see tariffs on imports. Your typical leftist disdain for business and their profits results in more poverty, not less.

5 hours ago, dialamah said:

4. Many do, including the immigrants you love to hate and denigrate for sharing houses and taking all the low-paying jobs.

I don't denigrate immigrants. I denigrate those who bring them here when they don't have the necessary skills to support themselves. Why would I support bringing in people who will never have good enough jobs to pay taxes? They'll just add to the leaches whose health care I have to pay for. We have too many of those already.

And by the way, if we weren't bringing in all those immigrants to take low paying jobs guess what would happen? They'd have to raise wages! This is the insanity of the Left. Fighting desperately to achieve the results they say they're fighting against. You claim you're opposed to poverty level wages but zealously support polices which keep those wages low!

 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Argus