20th of September 2021, next federal elections

[Army Guy]

9 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Why do you think your figure of 20% in 6 months is so much higher than Stats Canada figures?

https://financialpost.com/executive/executive-summary/posthaste-no-youre-not-imagining-it-food-prices-are-rising-and-theyre-set-to-go-even-higher

According to the article, this is also the case in the USA and Europe as well.

Do you still think the Liberals and the carbon tax are to blame for the increased food costs?  

Why do you think your reasons for the increase are so different than the ones cited by people who study the topic?

 Can stats can explain why my food bill is gone up over 20 %, i guess that would depend on what food your purchasing would it not, your suggesting that everyone's food bill is the same right across the country.   I live in NB , My wife is a health nut and buys shit tones of fresh veg, fruit, and meat  but my food bill has gone up well over 20 %,  when was the last time you paid 45 dollars for 2 cheap steaks other than in a restaurant. 

So what your trying to tell me is carbon pricing is not effecting the rest of the market, how can fuel go from just under a buck a liter, to now over 1. 40 and climbing rapidly not have an effect on the rest of the market.. and since everything we touch is transported by mostly road. and Justin is doubling his carbon taxes to meet his new goals, still think carbon pricing is not having an huge effect. Combine all of this with price gauging from the pandemic and yes i 'm sticking with my 20 % figure. 

[Faramir]

12 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Isn’t that more of a capitalist trait?  Competition to earn the most, and that sort of thing?

But, what does envy have to do with the price of food?

No because while competition is ONE aspect of capitalism, Capitalism is essentially a system of voluntary cooperation.  For example, I trade my labour for the money in your pocket.  I buy the iphone at the source by giving them money. While socialism believes in the state forcing people to act a certain way economically.  Essentially socialism can’t handle that some people will make more money than other people.

[Faramir]

10 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So where do I find these “real numbers”?

Because, from what I have seen, the people who study the topic are using numbers published by places like Stats Canada.  Why do you think these experts are using the fake numbers and not the real ones?

http://www.shadowstats.com/  This explains the numbers.  The USA uses such things as replacement.  If steak gets too expensive you will buy hamburger, thus inflation actually FALLS by their numbers.  They use something called geometric weighting which is just a slight of hand to make inflation look low.  You really only need ONE piece of technology (iphone) but have to eat every day.  

With stats Canada I think they are probably being honest and not underhanded but for some reason publish insanely low levels of inflation.  I imagine they copy some of the methodology from the USA.

[Faramir]

10 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

 Can stats can explain why my food bill is gone up over 20 %, i guess that would depend on what food your purchasing would it not, your suggesting that everyone's food bill is the same right across the country.   I live in NB , My wife is a health nut and buys shit tones of fresh veg, fruit, and meat  but my food bill has gone up well over 20 %,  when was the last time you paid 45 dollars for 2 cheap steaks other than in a restaurant. 

So what your trying to tell me is carbon pricing is not effecting the rest of the market, how can fuel go from just under a buck a liter, to now over 1. 40 and climbing rapidly not have an effect on the rest of the market.. and since everything we touch is transported by mostly road. and Justin is doubling his carbon taxes to meet his new goals, still think carbon pricing is not having an huge effect. Combine all of this with price gauging from the pandemic and yes i 'm sticking with my 20 % figure. 

There are a lot things we don't see.  For instance in BC they apply a massive tax on buying homes that is around $10000 plus every time you buy.  I agree. Anyone who thinks food is affordable must be rich.

[Army Guy]

45 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So where do I find these “real numbers”?

Because, from what I have seen, the people who study the topic are using numbers published by places like Stats Canada.  Why do you think these experts are using the fake numbers and not the real ones?

nobody is saying they manufactured numbers , I'm saying that these numbers do not reflect where i live. You can not use a blanket number for the entire country...

[WestCanMan]

7 hours ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

the turd? classy western canadian lol..   Lewis would be terrible her positions would hurt the party like scheer did... pierre is nothing but a angry  attack dog who needs a  few slaps..   you stuck with trudeau weather u like it or not

He's a turd. Get over it.

Lewis doesn't have to be bright, she just has to be the person who disarm's his virtue-signalling campaign, because outside of that he's an abject failure. 

It's good that Poilievre is an attack dog, because Trudeau is a bitch. Aside from that , P.P. is actually a very bright, on-point politician. He's well-respected among Conservatives and he has a french name, which will get him votes in Quebec that most conservatives otherwise couldn't. 

[EastCanada90]

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

He's a turd. Get over it.

Lewis doesn't have to be bright, she just has to be the person who disarm's his virtue-signalling campaign, because outside of that he's an abject failure. 

It's good that Poilievre is an attack dog, because Trudeau is a bitch. Aside from that , P.P. is actually a very bright, on-point politician. He's well-respected among Conservatives and he has a french name, which will get him votes in Quebec that most conservatives otherwise couldn't. 

 

poilievre   bright?  those 2 words dont belong  near each other he is a dumbass lol..  an lol trudeau a bitch? my bets are trudeau could kick your ass just like he did to the con senator lmao...

[WestCanMan]

5 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Conservative's conservatives don't win the party leadership

Annamie Paul is a black woman, how did that work out for the Green's in the inner cities?

Anamie is a career politician and a race card rebel. She's got a really strong vibe with 2% of the population and that's all she's got.

Lewis is nothing of the sort. She's an extremely accomplished woman with a much more positive outlook on life and she's an intelligent, classy person. 

[WestCanMan]

10 minutes ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

poilievre   bright?  those 2 words dont belong  near each other he is a dumbass lol..  an lol trudeau a bitch? my bets are trudeau could kick your ass just like he did to the con senator lmao...

I know that you find Trudeau dreamy, that's the only reason why anyone would ever actually 'like' him. He's a clueless dolt with the ethics of a snake.

I'd gladly fight Trudeau, no boxing gloves needed, and I can promise you that he'd be on the ground faster than an army led by Joe Biden.

[EastCanada90]

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I know that you find Trudeau dreamy, that's the only reason why anyone would ever actually 'like' him. He's a clueless dolt with the ethics of a snake.

I'd gladly fight Trudeau, no boxing gloves needed, and I can promise you that he'd be on the ground faster than an army led by Joe Biden.

 

lol more like you would be on the ground haha. and no i just think trudeau is the lesser or 2 evils basically. 

[TreeBeard]

54 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

nobody is saying they manufactured numbers , I'm saying that these numbers do not reflect where i live. You can not use a blanket number for the entire country...

So we should take the worst case scenarios?  But the worst case scenario, like where you live, is not reflective of the whole.  Why do you think your grocery bill has increased so much more than the national average?

Should your experience be applied to the country as a whole to show what’s happening?

[TreeBeard]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

 Can stats can explain why my food bill is gone up over 20 %, i guess that would depend on what food your purchasing would it not, your suggesting that everyone's food bill is the same right across the country.   I live in NB , My wife is a health nut and buys shit tones of fresh veg, fruit, and meat  but my food bill has gone up well over 20 %,  when was the last time you paid 45 dollars for 2 cheap steaks other than in a restaurant. 

So what your trying to tell me is carbon pricing is not effecting the rest of the market, how can fuel go from just under a buck a liter, to now over 1. 40 and climbing rapidly not have an effect on the rest of the market.. and since everything we touch is transported by mostly road. and Justin is doubling his carbon taxes to meet his new goals, still think carbon pricing is not having an huge effect. Combine all of this with price gauging from the pandemic and yes i 'm sticking with my 20 % figure. 

I didn’t say that the tax has no effect.  

I am simply quoting what someone who has studied this is saying…. That Canada’s situation of the current inflation is not unique at all.  It seems to be happening all over N. America and Europe.  

However, your situation of 20% increase to groceries in 6 months does seem very unique and not the norm.  

Do you have anything that isn’t anecdotal to your household and might be across your whole province?  

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, EastCanada90 said:

 

lol more like you would be on the ground haha. and no i just think trudeau is the lesser or 2 evils basically. 

After all of his serious ethics breaches, and his decidedly undemocratic ways, what makes you think that he's the 'lesser of two evils"? 

Do you think that O'Toole would use the PMO to enrich his family? Would he give $900M of taxpayer money to his own Hitler Youth Camp?

Would O'Toole create a law specifically for a criminal entity that has a court-documented history of bribing Canadian politicians, force the AG to use the law, and then punt her ass from office if she refused?

Would O'Toole be stupid enough to allow flights from the epicentre of a pandemic without any screening, quarantines, or travel restrictions? Would he get sucked into telling Canadians not to wear masks? Would he be dumb enough to give all of our PPE away at the start of a pandemic? Would he put all of our eggs in the "Chinese vaccine" basket and ignore American vaccines entirely, and then end up poaching the Yank vaxxes from the 3rd world charity pool? Would O'Toole be so stupid that he'd put our country in the top 10 to reach 5,000 covid deaths, when we have the world's 40th-largest population and we're 189th in pop density? Would he allow people to come here right from Wuhan, walk around freely, and then just suddenly prevent Canadians from walking in public parks the next day? 

Where do you get the impression that O'Toole is more undemocratic, stupid or evil than Justin Trudeau is? In what way is he worse?

[TreeBeard]

2 hours ago, Faramir said:

http://www.shadowstats.com/  This explains the numbers.  The USA uses such things as replacement.  If steak gets too expensive you will buy hamburger, thus inflation actually FALLS by their numbers.  They use something called geometric weighting which is just a slight of hand to make inflation look low.  You really only need ONE piece of technology (iphone) but have to eat every day.  

With stats Canada I think they are probably being honest and not underhanded but for some reason publish insanely low levels of inflation.  I imagine they copy some of the methodology from the USA.

So where can I get “real” Canadian numbers?  You say they’re honest….  But that they aren’t reporting real numbers..?  So, wouldn’t that be the opposite of honest?  Wouldn’t that be just like the American fake numbers, that are corrected by this one guy’s website?

Where does the guy behind “Shadow Numbers” get his numbers?  How do you pick which ones are “real”?

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

I'd gladly fight Trudeau, no boxing gloves needed, and I can promise you that he'd be on the ground faster than an army led by Joe Biden.

he's tougher than you'd think

 

[WestCanMan]

16 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

So where can I get “real” Canadian numbers?  You say they’re honest….  But that they aren’t reporting real numbers..?  So, wouldn’t that be the opposite of honest?  Wouldn’t that be just like the American fake numbers, that are corrected by this one guy’s website?

Where does the guy behind “Shadow Numbers” get his numbers?  How do you pick which ones are “real”?

When you start to run a home and you go buy gas, or eggs or a house right now you see the effects of Liberal policies in Canada. You don't need to be told how high inflation is. 

 

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

he's tougher than you'd think

 

With headgear and boxing gloves on. He would have been dead in the first round if not for that.

[WestCanMan]

Brazeau was breathing with his mouth open in the first 30 seconds of the first round ffs. If that guy could run 5 miles in half an hour, Trudeau would have been wasted. 

[Yzermandius19]

if you can't box

then he can take you easy

don't kid yourself

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

I didn’t say that the tax has no effect.  

I am simply quoting what someone who has studied this is saying…. That Canada’s situation of the current inflation is not unique at all.  It seems to be happening all over N. America and Europe.  

However, your situation of 20% increase to groceries in 6 months does seem very unique and not the norm.  

Do you have anything that isn’t anecdotal to your household and might be across your whole province?  

No your just saying my numbers are bullshit , because thats not what stat can has published...Fair enough but you can do the math Gas here in NB has gone up from under a buck a liter, to 1.40 is  40 % increase in price in under 6 months, which in turn would effect everything that travels by road, which would be everything... stats can is saying that it has only increase food prices by 1.5 %.

Quote

 "You could get a six-litre jug of milk for three bucks and you're paying six bucks for four litres here," said Eagles.  

this is another example of the price of milk, and all dairy products compared to Alberta new double the price ...

New Brunswick may be worst off in Canada when it comes to rising food prices | CBC News

Why is it that not everyone is reporting the same figures as stats can, RBC bank is predicting a 3 to 5 % increase

From food to housing: What will cost you more in 2021? | CTV News

or 

Food Price Report 2021 - EN (December 1).pdf (dal.ca) 

these guys are predicting  the same, are they not as smart as stats can, why the difference in numbers....I'm not an expert but here in NB we are feeling a major increase in prices all across the board, from food, services, manufactured products every thing ...

[cougar]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

When you start to run a home and you go buy gas, or eggs or a house right now you see the effects of Liberal policies in Canada. You don't need to be told how high inflation is. 

 

Why blame it on the Liberals?  Did we not have the pandemic in the past 2 years and it is ongoing.  Pandemic means disruptions in all forms of business - manufacturing and services.  one needed to pay for people not working and not producing.  Demand remained there, but supplies were reduced.  Isn't this a reason for inflation?

If not , I do not know what is.

Edited September 22, 2021 by cougar

[Army Guy]

3 hours ago, TreeBeard said:

So we should take the worst case scenarios?  But the worst case scenario, like where you live, is not reflective of the whole.  Why do you think your grocery bill has increased so much more than the national average?

Should your experience be applied to the country as a whole to show what’s happening?

Thats not what i said, I'm saying here in NB our figures do not match your stats can figures, why is that so hard to believe...I can not explain the WHY, other than what i already know, Carbon taxes are effecting prices of everything, Price gouging in the pandemic effects the price as well. here in NB we have had a bumper crop of vegs and fruit prices should have dropped...instead they have risen...

Once again my experience here in NB  does not match stats can, regardless of how smart you think they are, and while i don't expect you to measure the entire country to my standard , it is also assumed prices are not the same across the nation, how stats can came up with their figures is not explained is it ? was it an average, was it guess, what time of the year was it done ? 

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said:

if you can't box

then he can take you easy

don't kid yourself

You mean like this guy knocked out in less than 30 seconds....... my money is on westcanman

 

[TreeBeard]

13 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Thats not what i said, I'm saying here in NB our figures do not match your stats can figures, why is that so hard to believe...I can not explain the WHY, other than what i already know, Carbon taxes are effecting prices of everything, Price gouging in the pandemic effects the price as well. here in NB we have had a bumper crop of vegs and fruit prices should have dropped...instead they have risen...

Once again my experience here in NB  does not match stats can, regardless of how smart you think they are, and while i don't expect you to measure the entire country to my standard , it is also assumed prices are not the same across the nation, how stats can came up with their figures is not explained is it ? was it an average, was it guess, what time of the year was it done ? 

So it’s carbon taxes in Canada…. What is it in the USA?

The article I linked to has some explanations by the people that study the issue.  Did you read it?  It also mentioned when the stats Canada figures for and what they compared. 
 

Interesting links that show your area seems to be affected more than others.  

[WestCanMan]

13 hours ago, cougar said:

Why blame it on the Liberals?  Did we not have the pandemic in the past 2 years and it is ongoing.  Pandemic means disruptions in all forms of business - manufacturing and services.  one needed to pay for people not working and not producing.  Demand remained there, but supplies were reduced.  Isn't this a reason for inflation?

If not , I do not know what is.

We didn't even need to have a pandemic here. 

Our PM said that C19 wouldn't really get here, and he left flights from China wide open for months. His flunkie told Canadians not to wear masks. As a result of his massive stupidity, we were one of the top ten countries to hit 5,000 covid deaths. 

Japan did what anyone with a brain would do: shut down flights from the pandemic's origin and gave every family two N95 masks, and they have a population of 126M (by contrast our PM gave almost all of our PPE to China - we never got any N95s back from them). The entire population of Canada lives within Tokyo's metropolitan area and yet they took several more months to get to 5,000 covid deaths. 

The fact that we experienced so many deaths and then had to endure crazy lockdowns is all on our village idiot. The bought-and-paid-for MSM never said diddly squat about their golden boy though. They said that he was farting rainbows and you sniffed the glory.