Happy Canada Day to all Canadians.

[Zeitgeist]

59 minutes ago, myata said:

This is exactly as it is today because there was no oversight back then and so it dragged itself into the future, that is now. Where was the oversight over sponsorship scandal and travel from Wuhan? Ditto some decades from now. Where there's no possibility of change, where would a change come from?

You’re dealing with human nature.  Short of total surveillance and control, there’s no way to prevent people from doing bad things.  Even then people may be willing to accept the consequences for a sick short-term pleasure.  We don’t want more surveillance and control.  People have unrealistic expectations of people.  They expect more of others than they expect of themselves.  At least we closed our residential schools.  China is actively running them for adults.  I also think if we didn’t provide free education for Indigenous, which was only possible through residential schools for kids from small remote areas, the Canadian governments of the past would stand accused of depriving children of education.  Uninformed people are leading the witch hunts right now and using sensational headlines as the excuse.  Canada is a great accomplishment with imperfect founders, as is the case in all great countries.  Vilifying them and erasing their positive achievements because of negative ones only deemed as such by today’s standards is unfair.

https://apple.news/ALnjykRNSQDGDL97LZLAPuA

https://apple.news/Am1_JVJctTnak99FRtGId9A

 

Edited July 8, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

?  We did not have an electric chair in my school either.  But then, we did not have a mass grave in the school yard too.

What can I say - keep beating around the bush, maybe a rabbit will magically appear.

It might disappoint you but there were no "mass graves".  That was fake news.  There were unmarked graves, which could have easily happened because wooden markers or crosses rot and disappear.  Mass graves are the kind found in the holocaust where a large hole is dug and a large number of bodies are dumped in the same hole.  That is not what occurred at residential schools.

[myata]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re dealing with human nature.  Short of total surveillance and control, there’s no way to prevent people from doing bad things. 

Wow. I'm talking about oversight of the citizens over the governments and the powers, not the other way around. It's citizens who should have been concerned about whats going in the schools, with their money in the sponsorship business and so on. For that we need 1) transparency and 2) accountability and in 160 years of great democracy we couldn't be bothered to create either.

[cougar]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

It might disappoint you but there were no "mass graves".  That was fake news.  There were unmarked graves, which could have easily happened because wooden markers or crosses rot and disappear.  Mass graves are the kind found in the holocaust where a large hole is dug and a large number of bodies are dumped in the same hole.  That is not what occurred at residential schools.

I will accept your statement above at face value..  If those were mass graves there should have been firing squads assigned to each residential school.  They only had one electric chair.

Edited July 9, 2021 by cougar

[myata]

The system of top-down management of public services, without any oversight to stop and prevent bad decisions is grossly outdated and not adequate to the current reality. In this fire and forget for two decades mode the only scenarios for the near future would be a serious failure like this epidemics could have been with different parameters; or slow deterioration of services, as seen with health and higher education. What's concerning is that yet again governments make important decisions as massive increase in immigration, with massive and multiple potential impacts on the society with the same unconcerned lightheartedness as "travel from Wuhan". It looks like a train accelerating down the track to an unknown destination and the passengers couldn't be bothered which one.

Edited July 9, 2021 by myata

[Zeitgeist]

50 minutes ago, myata said:

The system of top-down management of public services, without any oversight to stop and prevent bad decisions is grossly outdated and not adequate to the current reality. For the near future the only scenarios are a serious failure like this epidemics could have been with different parameters; or slow deterioration of services, as can be seen with health and higher education. What's concerning is that yet again governments make important decisions as massive increase in immigration, with massive and multiple potential impacts on the society with the same unconcerned lightheartedness as "travel from Wuhan". It looks like a train accelerating down the track to an unknown destination and the passengers wouldn't even care which one.

Well that’s all true.   Bringing 400,000 immigrants per year, doubling the number of refugees, and adding another 200,000 immigrants to make up for the pandemic wipes out the value of any “climate change initiative” and attempt by governments to make housing more affordable.  It’s the constant attempt to pay today’s debts with tomorrow’s new workers.  It’s no way for a country to shape its future.   Canada is being held back right now by cultural conflicts, such as Indigenous versus non-Indigenous, Muslim versus other religions, French versus English.  There’s a tribal backlash underway against multiculturalism as different groups try to assert their identity.   That’s identity politics.  Yet the American melting pot that subordinates all identities to an American one is segregating over political lines, right versus left, Republican versus Democrat.

We’re seeing similar polarization in Canada, though not as extreme.  Canadians don’t have the same history of slavery as in the US, yet we’ve imported BLM’s rhetoric. The main difference between Canada and the US on Indigenous affairs isn’t residential schools, as Americans had them too, it’s that Indigenous are less assimilated in Canada to mainstream society. Some would celebrate this, especially on the left, as groups being able to express their culture as part of the cultural mosaic, but to some extent identity politics is threatening the coherence of the country.  The pandemic worsened this phenomenon as people retreated deeper into their ethnic neighborhood or identifying groups.  You’d think that social media would bring people together beyond their physical location, and it has in some ways, but mostly people are returning to their identifying groups through the internet.

Canadian leaders need to stand up for Canada and illustrate what unifies us or else the country will remain torn between people’s identity groups and some form of post-national state internationalist man, something like Soviet man, without culture, spirituality, or individuality. China likes that.  

Edited July 9, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[CITIZEN_2015]

19 hours ago, taxme said:

Anyone using the words "white trash" are racists trash themselves. No one ever calls blacks or Asians or whomever as people of color trash. I only ever hear those white trash words on TV or here. Indeed, there may be plenty of white trash out there but if you are only going to say the words white trash only and not people of color trash anywhere, well than, that is not acceptable to me. I will take offence to the use of the words white trash. ?

 Listen I have nothing against people of white skin. I have myself the whitest possible skin on the planet though I agree referring to skin color as trash is racism however, my post was clear it was the evil acts and not skin color the word trash was referring to.

[blackbird]

4 hours ago, myata said:

The system of top-down management of public services, without any oversight to stop and prevent bad decisions is grossly outdated and not adequate to the current reality. In this fire and forget for two decades mode the only scenarios for the near future would be a serious failure like this epidemics could have been with different parameters; or slow deterioration of services, as seen with health and higher education. What's concerning is that yet again governments make important decisions as massive increase in immigration, with massive and multiple potential impacts on the society with the same unconcerned lightheartedness as "travel from Wuhan". It looks like a train accelerating down the track to an unknown destination and the passengers couldn't be bothered which one.

Socialist type governments like the NDP in Victoria think if they push money out in every direction, everything will be fine.  They got caught with their pants down this past few weeks when the heat dome hit B.C.  People called the ambulance in metro Vancouver because they were dying of heat stroke and had to wait around four hours for an ambulance and many died.  Some were dead when the ambulance arrived. About 700 people died from the heat in B.C.  Many died in the Vancouver metro area. Yet the head of the Coastal ambulance service apparently said they didn't do a bad job.  The NDP didn't spend enough money on staff and ambulances and did not take action to prepare for the heat dome.  There should have been a huge number of extra ambulances and staff on the job.  They should have been prepared for a vast increase in emergency calls.  It is disgusting.  One of the causes is likely Socialist bureaucracy which means any changes requires a long, bureaucratic process to approve it.  Socialism is not flexible but hamstrings fast responsive action.  The NDP has increased the numbers of government employees by apparently tens or hundreds of thousands since they came into power a few years ago.  What were all these employees and the politicians doing when the heat dome was coming and warnings were given?

Edited July 9, 2021 by blackbird

[myata]

Except this has little to do with ideology and conservative governments are just as happy to rule without checks or limits in this happy duopoly. Gobble at the public trough till full to the gills and a bit higher, bloat, timeout at the useless question period show and back to the business of ruling, with no checks and few limits.

Edited July 9, 2021 by myata

[Argus]

On 7/7/2021 at 5:17 PM, cougar said:

You wipe out the kids of one culturally diverse group and in a generation or two , the group is gone; this is what genocide is. 

Wait. You're telling me the natives are gone now? They are assimilated and have lost their culture?

[Zeitgeist]

Hard not to be cynical when groups who don’t have to pay taxes but get free health and education ask for more freebies.  After receiving $4.8 billion in residential school payments, this from the new Assembly of First Nations Chief RoseAnne Archibald:

https://apple.news/AmHjZtPzNT9yjyBaUS5E66w

[Argus]

44 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Hard not to be cynical when groups who don’t have to pay taxes but get free health and education ask for more freebies.  After receiving $4.8 billion in residential school payments, this from the new Assembly of First Nations Chief RoseAnne Archibald:

https://apple.news/AmHjZtPzNT9yjyBaUS5E66w

There's no stupid idea American progressives and race hustlers come up with which doesn't get transplanted to the empty-headed progressives and race hustlers in Canada.

[Zeitgeist]

Good article on the ridiculous identity politics afoot in academia and the workplace:  https://apple.news/ApqMhydi9SU6Hl98K4RmDtQ

[blackbird]

On 7/7/2021 at 2:17 PM, cougar said:

All the proof is in the media. See how some indigenous people were enticed to give up their heritage and aboriginal rights in exchange for keeping their kids with them, instead of the latter being sent to a Residential school.

You wipe out the kids of one culturally diverse group and in a generation or two , the group is gone; this is what genocide is.   You do not need to shoot 'em in the head with a 22 gauge.

Why do I have to explain the very obvious to you?? Aren't you a bit embarrassed?

If we go by your definition of genocide, perhaps the white man, who is becoming extinct in Canada, could make the same kind of claim.  The aboriginal red power activists have figured out how to demand and claim everything for themselves.  Victimhood is the key tool.

Quote  Nearly 1.7 million people identified as Aboriginal in the 2016 census, Statistics Canada says – a 4.9 per cent share of the total population and a breathtaking 42.5 per cent increase since 2006, a growth rate more than four times that of their non-Indigenous counterparts. Unquote   -  global news.ca

The aboriginals will be in the driver's seat before too many years.  They have figured out massive population growth is the key to gaining more.  Their new AFN leader is demanding compensation for colonizing Canada.  Wow!  Canadians better expect to start paying big money to these privileged people many of whom think they own all the land and the rest of us are just invaders.  That will be a big problem in the future.  Many of us will not accept that claim.  I don't think they have a perpetual claim to land that their ancestors wandered on, a vast land that had very few people on it.  The whole world was settled by people migrating from somewhere else.  That is the history of mankind.  Nobody who had ancestors living in a given country previously receives compensation.  Only in Canada could such a thing be imagined by some people.

Edited July 10, 2021 by blackbird

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

If we go by your definition of genocide, it the white man which is becoming extinct in Canada.

Quote  Nearly 1.7 million people identified as Aboriginal in the 2016 census, Statistics Canada says – a 4.9 per cent share of the total population and a breathtaking 42.5 per cent increase since 2006, a growth rate more than four times that of their non-Indigenous counterparts. Unquote   -  global news.ca

The aboriginals will be in the driver's seat before too many years.  Their new AFN leader is demanding compensation for colonizing Canada.  Wow!  Canadians better expect to start paying big money to these privileged people many of whom think they own all the land and the rest of us are just invaders.  That will be a big problem in the future.  Many of us will not accept that claim.  I don't think they have a perpetual claim to land that their ancestors wandered on, a vast land that had very few people on it.  The whole world was settled by people migrating from somewhere else.  That is the history of mankind.  Nobody who had ancestors living their previously receives compensation.  

Indigenous seem to be the only people trying to make claims on lands that have been settled for centuries and that were contested by various Indigenous groups. The Loyalists lost their land in the US and never received compensation.  It’s a game of always asking more from taxpayers.  Misrepresenting history by inaccurately using words like genocide and atrocity has certainly garnered attention and might win more payouts.  

[blackbird]

On 7/7/2021 at 2:17 PM, cougar said:

All the proof is in the media. See how some indigenous people were enticed to give up their heritage and aboriginal rights in exchange for keeping their kids with them, instead of the latter being sent to a Residential school.

You wipe out the kids of one culturally diverse group and in a generation or two , the group is gone; this is what genocide is.   You do not need to shoot 'em in the head with a 22 gauge.

Why do I have to explain the very obvious to you?? Aren't you a bit embarrassed?

I guess you could say the same thing about every race or ethnic group in Canada.  Not sure how you figure an ethnic group is gone.  The Caucasian race is actually declining in North America and could become near extinct in the not too distant future.  Many different ethnic groups immigrated to Canada.  What makes aboriginals so special that they cannot assimilate into society like everyone else?  Every ethnic group in the world fluctuates with the changing demographics caused by various factors.  Furthermore many natives married French people and formed the Metis, another group that considers themselves special and demands to be recognized and receive special rights in Canada.  No matter how little aboriginal blood one has, they try to capitalize on that and claim special status.  Playing into that narrative and encouraging it is a sign of a sick country.  The Liberals and NDP really play into that and exploit it for all it's worth for votes.  In worrying about aboriginal heritage, you have also bought into that racial nonsense like a good little liberal puppet.  Nobody is stopping anybody from doing their cultural dances and singing if that's what they want to do.

Edited July 10, 2021 by blackbird

[Antichrist]

On 7/2/2021 at 12:42 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

I am Catholic

the Catholics are better off that they lost that battle

especially in the long run

plenty of reason for Catholics to celebrate that day

you a proud catholic....the faith that keeps on giving children so much love behind closed doors.its a PHUKING CULT 

WAKE UP

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, Antichrist said:

you a proud catholic....the faith that keeps on giving children so much love behind closed doors.its a PHUKING CULT 

WAKE UP

What special guidance do you bring to the table apart from nihilism?  Priests and nuns take a vow of poverty and strive to live their lives according to values.  What are yours?   You seem full of judgement about religious people who are imperfect like all humans.  Some humans do bad things.  Maybe it’s time to cast the judgement net wider than Catholics, Christians, or all religious people. Maybe it’s time to look at the anarchists, nihilists, and other self-proclaimed “revolutionaries” to see what they bring to the table apart from destruction, shaking down taxpayers for handouts, and blockading workplaces and railways.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[Yzermandius19]

40 minutes ago, Antichrist said:

you a proud catholic....the faith that keeps on giving children so much love behind closed doors.its a PHUKING CULT 

WAKE UP

tunnel visioning on the bad and ignoring the good 

all religions have pedophiles in them and there are non religious pedophiles as well

Catholicism deeply condems pedophilia

the Catholics who happen to be pedophiles aren't pedophiles because they are Catholic

Edited July 10, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Antichrist]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What special guidance do you bring to the table apart from nihilism?  Priests and nuns take a vow of poverty and strive to live their lives according to values.  What are yours?   You seem full of judgement about religious people who are imperfect like all humans.  Some humans do bad things.  Maybe it’s time to cast the judgement net wider than Catholics, Christians, or all religious people.  Maybe it’s time to look at the anarchists, nihilists, and other self-proclaimed “revolutionaries” to see what they bring to the table apart from destruction, shaking down taxpayers for handouts, and blockading workplaces and railways.

nice try...deflect the blame ....Religion  are the largest contingent of child abusers in north america if not the worldwide 

Sexual abuse in the Church: map of justice worldwide - JusticeInfo.net

The epidemic of denial about sexual abuse in the evangelical church. - The Washington Post

Almost 1,700 priests and clergy accused of sex abuse are unsupervised (nbcnews.com)

[Antichrist]

54 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

tunnel visioning on the bad and ignoring the good 

all religions have pedophiles in them and there are non religious pedophiles as well

Catholicism deeply condems pedophilia

the Catholics who happen to be pedophiles aren't pedophiles because they are Catholic

tunnel visioning on the bad and ignoring the good ....there is just to much bad to ignore

all religions have pedophiles in them and there are non religious pedophiles as well....but religion has  perfected hide  the weenie

Catholicism deeply condems pedophilia...Is the flock deaf

the Catholics who happen to be pedophiles aren't pedophiles because they are Catholic...percentage of pedophilla in a group say otherwise

Dedicated to the Eradication of Religion

 

Edited July 10, 2021 by Antichrist

[Yzermandius19]

12 minutes ago, Antichrist said:

tunnel visioning on the bad and ignoring the good ....there is just to much bad to ignore

all religions have pedophiles in them and there are non religious pedophiles as well....but religion has  perfected hide  the weenie

Catholicism deeply condems pedophilia...Is the flock deaf

the Catholics who happen to be pedophiles aren't pedophiles because they are Catholic...percentage of pedophilla in a group say otherwise

Dedicated to the Eradication of Religion

 

percentage of pedophiles isn't higher among catholics

their pedophiles just get more media coverage

[Zeitgeist]

34 minutes ago, Antichrist said:

nice try...deflect the blame ....Religion  are the largest contingent of child abusers in north america if not the worldwide 

Sexual abuse in the Church: map of justice worldwide - JusticeInfo.net

The epidemic of denial about sexual abuse in the evangelical church. - The Washington Post

Almost 1,700 priests and clergy accused of sex abuse are unsupervised (nbcnews.com)

Are you saying that there are more pedophiles among the religious than among non-religious?   That’s very prejudicial.  You have no evidence to support this.  Pretty discriminatory.  

[blackbird]

33 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

percentage of pedophiles isn't higher among catholics

their pedophiles just get more media coverage

Sorry my reply was meant for antichrist

Edited July 10, 2021 by blackbird

[blackbird]

51 minutes ago, Antichrist said:

tunnel visioning on the bad and ignoring the good ....there is just to much bad to ignore

all religions have pedophiles in them and there are non religious pedophiles as well....but religion has  perfected hide  the weenie

Catholicism deeply condems pedophilia...Is the flock deaf

the Catholics who happen to be pedophiles aren't pedophiles because they are Catholic...percentage of pedophilla in a group say otherwise

Dedicated to the Eradication of Religion

 

The truth is Rome requires their priests to be celibate.  They take an oath of celibacy which means they have no wives.  They are far bigger than other churches. There are probably around the billion Catholics in the world.  Non-Catholic churches a tiny fraction of that.  You have had a lot of pedophiles among youth hockey in Canada.  Also the Boy Scouts which must pay hundreds of millions of dollars in settlements.   Protestant churches allow their ministers to marry and have a family.  That is part of the problem and why the Catholic church has so many paedophiles.  The Catholic church gives huge power to the priests such that the priest has the power to grant salvation to it's people through their sacraments.  That system does not exist in Protestant churches.  Ministers don't grant salvation.  So the people in Catholic churches have a special relationship with their priests and place a personal trust in them.   

 If you are trying to spread the blame around because you have Catholic roots it is understandable, but you are not facing the facts.  The Catholic churches in some dioceses have paid out hundreds of millions of dollars in sex abuse settlements in the U.S.  Sex abuse in Protestant or evangelical churches is likely relatively rare.  They do not hear confessions from people where people put their trust in a priest.  They do have priests or confessionals.   Everyone knows how badly you hate Christianity and will lie and say anything to smear them.  Your comments give you away easily.  So nobody should take a word you say as credible.

Edited July 10, 2021 by blackbird