Should we all be required to swear an oath to the Queen of Canada before voting?

[Dougie93]

12 hours ago, Army Guy said:

For the most part your right Muslim countries for the most part don't favor democracy, but prefer dictatorship, or hard core monarchy.

even the Afghans are British, Afghanistan is a creation of the British Empire as well

Pakistan : British, Saudi Arabia : British, Iraq : British, Palestine : British

these were all creations of the British Empire

again, the difference with Canada is that Canada has the Westminster Parliament of 1688

the state that William of Orange built is the nation that you swear fealty to

HM The Queen is a descendant of William III, that is the throne she is the heir to

Parliamentary Supremacy and the rule of law is all you need have fealty to

soon as the government deviates from that, which they are, they are the traitors, not you

the MP's in Ottawa regularly violate both parliamentary procedure and the law

but the RCMP are clearly lapdogs to power, so the politicians are above the law

it's become so ingrained in docile Canada, the politicians just assume they can get away with anything

Edited June 20, 2021 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

fact of the matter is, the most British people on earth are the Hong Kong Chinese

Hong Kong was a British experiment, to run a colony exactly by the British classically liberal doctrine'

white supposedly "British" Canadians are mostly Woke lunatics now

I'd much rather load up on the classically liberal Hong Kong Chinese to supplant the idiot white people in this land, please do

[-TSS-]

In British parliamentary elections there were MPs who were elected from Northern-Ireland on the Sinn Fein lists but they couldn't take their seats as that would have required swearing an oath of allegiange to the Monarch and obviously they couldnt do that.

I think they no longer demand such an oath but Sinn Feiners still don't take their seats. Perhaps their excuse now is that it is a foreign parliament.

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

The title of this thread is so ridiculous that it is not worth my time even responding.

[-TSS-]

Agree with you there. Someone suggested that you can't be British if you are anti-monarchy. That's just a ridiculous statement to make.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

In British parliamentary elections there were MPs who were elected from Northern-Ireland on the Sinn Fein lists but they couldn't take their seats as that would have required swearing an oath of allegiange to the Monarch and obviously they couldnt do that.

I think they no longer demand such an oath but Sinn Feiners still don't take their seats. Perhaps their excuse now is that it is a foreign parliament.

 

the Westminster Parliament was not actually unified at the beginning neither

in 1688, they made the distance between the parties two sword lengths apart

so they couldn't kill each other quickly before someone could intervene

bear in mind that this Parliament is coming out of the fires of the English Civil War

[Dougie93]

the Westminster Parliament was never meant to be some left wing Utopian solution to anything

it was just the least worst option, since the other option was civil war

[cougar]

19 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Once again you talk like you had first hand knowledge, maybe you would like to share a source of this new found knowledge...

Canada did leave, because Canadians said they had enough, and yet they did not know why, they just decided they wanted to go, without knowing anything of the problem or the cost of solving it. 

Again that is your best opinion, and i agree to disagree, I have had this discussions hundreds of times, they normally end with no one changing their minds.. Your free to think what ever you want, but it is not based on facts or evidence...

No body asked you to do anything, our government told us to go over to Afghanistan, you know the one most Canadians voted in, they pointed out who was the enemy and we did our jobs we closed with and destroyed as many as those scumbag terrorist as we could... you don't have to like it, but you do have to life with it... and one day our future PM will apologize to the Afghan people for killing terrorists on their behalf.

No, I do not have first hand knowledge.  I go by my gut feeling which is nearly always more accurate than what one will read in the media or get on forums.

Before Canada and USA went to Afghanistan, it was the Russians who fought there for years and with the same final result.

There are poor and oppressed nations in many parts of the world.  Wars where we and the USA get involved however are almost always led in places near Russia or near oil reserves.

Your government could have dispatched you to some country in Africa or South Central America,but they did not.  It is always the Middle East.

The West is not interested in "helping". There are people on the streets in Canada who get no help.  There are people who are overworked just to pay rent and put food on the table.

The West fights when it wants to get hands on natural resources; set up military bases in strategic areas; change foreign governments with such that will give them friendly trade terms;  destroy local economies so they can then offer their own products as imports and make money / enslave the nations.

It is still the ugly old world of slavery and pirates you know from the past.  The time when the Crown was rewarding rmurderers for help with their political goals, or for sharing a portion of the loot.

I do not want to speculate on what Taliban were killed and where.  I am sure nobody spoke to them, found them guilty of whatever crime and then executed them. For all I know they might have been just armed farmers trying to protect their land from invaders.

With marijuana legalized in Canada, I am also not sure what moral grounds we have to determine the economy of Afghanistan.

Edited June 20, 2021 by cougar

[Nefarious Banana]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

No, I do not have first hand knowledge.  I go by my gut feeling which is nearly always more accurate than what one will read in the media or get on forums.

 

I do not want to speculate on what Taliban were killed and where.  I am sure nobody spoke to them, found them guilty of whatever crime and then executed them. For all I know they might have been just armed farmers trying to protect their land from invaders.

With marijuana legalized in Canada, I am also not sure what moral grounds we have to determine the economy of Afghanistan.

What made you come to Canada ?

[Army Guy]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

No, I do not have first hand knowledge.  I go by my gut feeling which is nearly always more accurate than what one will read in the media or get on forums.

Before Canada and USA went to Afghanistan, it was the Russians who fought there for years and with the same final result.

There are poor and oppressed nations in many parts of the world.  Wars where we and the USA get involved however are almost always led in places near Russia or near oil reserves.

Your government could have dispatched you to some country in Africa or South Central America,but they did not.  It is always the Middle East.

The West is not interested in "helping". There are people on the streets in Canada who get no help.  There are people who are overworked just to pay rent and put food on the table.

The West fights when it wants to get hands on natural resources; set up military bases in strategic areas; change foreign governments with such that will give them friendly trade terms;  destroy local economies so they can then offer their own products as imports and make money / enslave the nations.

It is still the ugly old world of slavery and pirates you know from the past.  The time when the Crown was rewarding rmurderers for help with their political goals, or for sharing a portion of the loot.

I do not want to speculate on what Taliban were killed and where.  I am sure nobody spoke to them, found them guilty of whatever crime and then executed them. For all I know they might have been just armed farmers trying to protect their land from invaders.

With marijuana legalized in Canada, I am also not sure what moral grounds we have to determine the economy of Afghanistan.

It sounds like your entire reply is nothing more than gut feeling, or as i like to refer to as total horse shit, but that would be interjecting my opinion over yours, and we don't want to do that... And like i said before your free to think what ever you want, regardless if it is based on facts or myth it is after all "your" opinion. 

[Dougie93]

3 hours ago, cougar said:

For all I know they might have been just armed farmers trying to protect their land from invaders.

actually, the Taliban have a very specific mission

they were a reactionary group which was fighting the drug lords who were kidnapping and raping the boys in the Madrassas

now of course their methods are brutal, but so are the methods of their enemies in Kabul

I don't think they have any interest in projecting power beyond their provinces in Afghanistan

nor are they the ones who attacked America on 9-11

 

[Dougie93]

I certainly have no interest in who rules Aghanistan and the idea that it is a NATO tasking is absurd

but more importantly. I knew that Canada had gutted the army in the 1990's

so Paul Martin & Rick Hillier were getting them in over their heads

and in classic Candian fashion, they were going to do it on the cheap

even in war Canada will not make the effort, the troops would be vastly outnumbered and lacking combat power

furthermore they didn't have the helicopters until very late in the game, so they would be driving over IED's

when Sergeant Short & Robbie Beerenfenger ran over the IED in the Iltis, that was the nightmare coming true

Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93

[cougar]

35 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

It sounds like your entire reply is nothing more than gut feeling, or as i like to refer to as total horse shit, but that would be interjecting my opinion over yours, and we don't want to do that... And like i said before your free to think what ever you want, regardless if it is based on facts or myth it is after all "your" opinion. 

Horseshit would be to ask soldiers to liberate Iraq or look for non-existing weapons of mass destruction. strangely why, after the successful liberation there was zero joy among the Iraqis to show something on CNN.

You can continue to believe the nonsense you were told.  You did not do humanitarian work and whatever you did , it wasn't for the good of the native population or even your own good.

Edited June 21, 2021 by cougar

[Dougie93]

oh and right off the bat, Canada goes into stab the troops in the back mode

like Rob Furlong & Graham Ragsdale, the sniper team sent up to cover the 10th Mountain Division guys

the Americans called them heroes, tried to decorate them

Canada accused them of "war crimes" and launched an investigation which wrecked their careers

seriously, f*ck Canada, I wouldn't cross the street to piss on it if it was on fire

Canada is just an archaic legal construct, it's not a country

it's nothing to love, and it certainly doesn't give a shit about you, quite the opposite

Canada throws its own war heroes under the bus, think what it would do to you

Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, cougar said:

Horseshit would be to ask soldiers to liberate Iraq or look for non-existing weapons of mass destruction. strangely why, after the successful liberation there was zero joy among the Iraqis to show something on CNN.

You can continue to believe the nonsense you were told.  You did not humanitarian work and whatever you did , it wasn't for the good of the native population or even your own good.

Your grasping now, and have turned the page, nobody was talking about Iraq.

I was not told anything, what i have written about is my opinion, of what i saw or experienced. Everything i have said can be verified on the inter net, "it is yours to discover it is a great tool." I personally did not do any humanitarian work, i did however assist the PRT by providing security for their efforts occasionally, I was part of the Battle group on all three of my tours... the name should give away it's mission, and it was not to hand out teddy bears and blankets... it was to provide security, and disrupt any terrorist activity, in an area larger than PEI.

As for did we help any of the  native population, well Canada was reasonable for drill thousands of wells, that provided clean drinking water, we constructed paved highways so they could not bury IED's in the middle of them, keeping it's users safe, Canada also built a major dam to provide electricity to the population.. we did not need any of that, everything we needed we brought with us, power, sewage, food, ammo, and machinery .... was it all worht the effort you have to ask the local population those questions, instead of using your gut or making shit up.... some of which are now Canadians here in our nation ask them... Do your own research and educate yourself, i have nothing to prove to you, nor do i care what you think, You one of those Canadians that have already made up their minds and nothing will change that, kind of like talking with someone from the left....it is pointless. 

 

[cougar]

7 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

...it is pointless. 

 

It is. but I still read what you post with interest.

Those roads were probably needed for our troops to feel safe too.  fresh water - needed for our troops as well.

We might have used these project to get local buy in, but those were helping our operations in Afghanistan and creating infrastructure.

Same goes where I live - you can't cut the tree unless you build a road to it.

[Dougie93]

the best that could happen would be to just disband the Canadian Forces altogehter

never mind the pathetic state of the military capacity or rather lack thereof

DND is now purely a conduit for Military Industrial Complex corporate welfare and Wokeness

literally the only military imperatives now are selling weapons to countries like Saudi Arabia abroad

while being the Wokest lunatic military on earth at home

just take it behind the woodshed and put it out of its mistery

[Army Guy]

1 minute ago, cougar said:

It is. but I still read what you post with interest.

Those roads were probably needed for our troops to feel safe too.  fresh water - needed for our troops as well.

We might have used these project to get local buy in, but those were helping our operations in Afghanistan and creating infrastructure.

Same goes where I live - you can't cut the tree unless you build a road to it.

I wont lie to you driving on paved road was a bonus, but later on in the mission most supplies were being delivered by helo, but most of all our causalities were due to IEDs, Canada was forced to rent helos first Russian MI-17, then used US CH-47D similar to the ones we sold the Dutch , but not before the ARMY had lost enough soldiers did that happen....

Fresh water was never a problem, we had the machinery to just drill what ever we needed where we needed it...or it was flown in by the pallet load...

the dam is out in the middle of nowhere to start with, the construction was done with local workers, we provided the funding and security, not one watt of power was used for any NATO forces, all of our major camps where completely self sufficient, power, water, sewage, food, major airports, bunkers, fighting positions, surveillance etc...Billions of dollars were spent on each one, they housed 40, 50 thousand armed people...some were much bigger...

most of the highways we built lead straight to Pakistan, which was hostile to any and all NATO forces, it was a Afghanistan trading route with no access to the sea, most products Afghanistan wanted came from there, most of our stuff came from the west  was flown in or trucked..

Afghanistan is not big on roads, most were dirt tracks in the middle of no where, for the most part we stayed off the roads as much as possible, we traveled at night with no lights, by x cross country , GPS headings... unless in the high country which meant we had no choice, those roads were patrolled by sat, UAV, aircraft, tethered air ships, vehicles, and by foot, 24 hours a day 365 days a year, they were tested by Engineers every morning, even with all that IED's were the main threat to us and the population.. but placing bombs or bomb maker was a very dangerous activity for the bad guys , they did not live a long life, and where high priority targets. look at what happened to little Omar.   

 

[Zeitgeist]

5 hours ago, cougar said:

No, I do not have first hand knowledge.  I go by my gut feeling which is nearly always more accurate than what one will read in the media or get on forums.

Before Canada and USA went to Afghanistan, it was the Russians who fought there for years and with the same final result.

There are poor and oppressed nations in many parts of the world.  Wars where we and the USA get involved however are almost always led in places near Russia or near oil reserves.

Your government could have dispatched you to some country in Africa or South Central America,but they did not.  It is always the Middle East.

The West is not interested in "helping". There are people on the streets in Canada who get no help.  There are people who are overworked just to pay rent and put food on the table.

The West fights when it wants to get hands on natural resources; set up military bases in strategic areas; change foreign governments with such that will give them friendly trade terms;  destroy local economies so they can then offer their own products as imports and make money / enslave the nations.

It is still the ugly old world of slavery and pirates you know from the past.  The time when the Crown was rewarding rmurderers for help with their political goals, or for sharing a portion of the loot.

I do not want to speculate on what Taliban were killed and where.  I am sure nobody spoke to them, found them guilty of whatever crime and then executed them. For all I know they might have been just armed farmers trying to protect their land from invaders.

With marijuana legalized in Canada, I am also not sure what moral grounds we have to determine the economy of Afghanistan.

What?  You do realize that girls weren’t allowed an education under the Taliban nor could they leave the house without a male escort.  Breaking the rules often meant imprisonment or public execution.  Afghanistan was a dangerous and oppressive country ruled by tyrants who encouraged terrorists to plot attacks on the US, Canada, and her allies.  Wake up.

[cougar]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

.... ruled by tyrants who encouraged terrorists to plot attacks on the US, Canada, and her allies.  Wake up.

And why would they attack the USA?  Easy answer; the USA attacked them first.

The 9/11 attacks were from mostly Saudi's but the States chose to retaliate on Iraq and Afghanistan as well. They will not go looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iran or North Koera as those nation may actually have such.

Oppressed women?  they have been traditionally in this same role for generations and the Afghan nation continues to exist.   It probably is not the worst atrocity done at this time anywhere in the World.

There are actually examples of mass mistreatment of women right in the States.

This guy comes to mind although not the only one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs#Arrest,_trial_and_conviction

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by cougar

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, cougar said:

And why would they attack the USA?  Easy answer; the USA attacked them first.

The 9/11 attacks were from mostly Saudi's but the States chose to retaliate on Iraq and Afghanistan as well. They will not go looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iran or North Koera as those nation may actually have such.

Oppressed women?  they have been traditionally in this same role for generations and the Afghan nation continues to exist.   It probably is not the worst atrocity done at this time anywhere in the World.

There are actually examples of mass mistreatment of women right in the States.

This guy comes to mind although not the only one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Jeffs#Arrest,_trial_and_conviction

 

You’re way out of your depth.  The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda to run training camps for the terrorists who attacked on 9/11.  You really don’t get the seriousness of the threat the Taliban posed to the West or how oppressive a regime it was.  Read something basic like The Kite Runner.  Iraq is a different issue and if you don’t know the difference I can’t help you.  Unbelievable.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re way out of your depth.  The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda to run training camps for the terrorists who attacked on 9/11.  You really don’t get the seriousness of the threat the Taliban posed to the West or how oppressive a regime it was.  Read something basic like The Kite Runner.  Iraq is a different issue and if you don’t know the difference I can’t help you.  Unbelievable   

 

[Dougie93]

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re way out of your depth.  The Taliban allowed Al Qaeda to run training camps for the terrorists who attacked on 9/11.  You really don’t get the seriousness of the threat the Taliban posed to the West or how oppressive a regime it was.  Read something basic like The Kite Runner.  Iraq is a different issue and if you don’t know the difference I can’t help you.  Unbelievable.

sorry, but you're conflating two seperate entities

the Taliban were a local phenomena, they had no interest in attacking the west and did not order

AQ was foreign Arabs backed by Saudi Arabia & Pakistan

the only reason the Taliban tolerated AQ was because they had Saudi Arabia & Pakistan behind them

furthermore, AQ did not attack America from Afghanistan, they came from Yemen, then through Indonesia

[Dougie93]

getting back to the OP tho, it doesn't matter why you are deployed, there is no why

the naive & ignorant Canadian public will decide the why

I was a politically agnostic servant of the Monarch

Soldiers of the Crown are mercenaries for the Queen

no partisan loyalty but to Victoria Regina Imperatrix

Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief

the only doctrine is Ducimus 

"Doo chee muss", we lead

you,  the blinkered civilians,  pick the fights

we take the Queen's Schilling to fight them for you

if I was an ideological soldier ?  If I was a citizen soldier ?

well then the real criminal traitors are in Ottawa and they would be the ones I took up arms against

[Dougie93]

that being said, you civilians and your government stabbed my soldiers in the back

you are the ones who betrayed Regiment, Corps, Commander-in-Chief

you stupidly picked the fight with the Taliban, then you left your own troops hanging in the breach

so not only will I never fight for you again, I despise your priggish Canadian bullshit now

I am not going to take up arms against you

you're not worth the trouble of bothering to overthrow your idiot governance, you deserve it

and besides, you are burning all your institutions to the ground for me now

so I will simply dance on their graves after, just desserts for despicable Canadian Confederation

Deo Vindice  *dances jig*

 

Edited June 21, 2021 by Dougie93